When you say that the death penalty is cruel, you obviously have no idea what life in prison is like.

[Woodznutz]

The existence of the death penalty gives murderers a motivation to plead guilty and admit they did the crime.

It isn't just the actual seat in the electric chair that inmates are avoiding, but also the many years of solitary that death row inmates endure before taking the hot seat.

Life imprisonment on a yard with interaction with other convicts, playing poker for cigarettes, isn't nearly as bad as solitary.

How is pleading to a crime you didn't commit 'justice'. Isn't that false imprisonment?

 

[Polishprince]

How is pleading to a crime you didn't commit 'justice'. Isn't that false imprisonment?

Pleading guilty to a crime you did commit is the decent thing to do.

 

[Meathead]

How is pleading to a crime you didn't commit 'justice'. Isn't that false imprisonment?

Weird

 

[Woodznutz]

Pleading guilty to a crime you did commit is the decent thing to do.

Their lawyers don't see it that way.

 

[1srelluc]

Rasheed Johnson, not happy with his situation, and he probably has some legitimate complaints. When you commit murder at 18 you kind of limit your options and force the rest of the world to figure out what to do with you. Jim Webb who was once the sec Navy and presidential nominee had some real ideas on prison reform but was disgusted with our corrupt system. Confining someone, especially here in the US is almost impossible with the hate being spread by the media and people in charge. There is no nice way to do it. When you think you're saving someone by eliminating the death penalty it's like saying No Nuclear Wars but ignoring how terrible conventional wars actually are. Calls grow for new Red Onion State Prison investigation

OP, I gotta ask.....What do you really know about Virginia prisons?

Do you have any 1st hand experience on either side of the bars....Staff or inmate?

 

[the watcher]

IMO, no one has the right to take the life of another outside of direct self defense.

The state has not only the "right" to prescribe punishment for laws and enforce them for public safety, but it also has the responsibility to do so. Some people see the world as everything is a "right' and there are no responsibilities. All take and no give. Why do you think anyone has the "right" to keep someone confined for 50 or 75years? How do you choke that down? Ridiculous.

 

[pknopp]

The state has not only the "right" to prescribe punishment for laws and enforce them for public safety, but it also has the responsibility to do so.

I never argued otherwise so........

 

[the watcher]

IMO, no one has the right to take the life of another outside of direct self defense.

I never argued otherwise so........

I believe you did exactly that.

 

[pknopp]

I believe you did exactly that.

I did not.

 

[the watcher]

Your comprehension needs help.

 

[Woodznutz]

I did not.

Your post #10 says otherwise.

 

[Woodznutz]

Weird

I know, right?

 

[22lcidw]

Here's the thing--Prisons, especially the hardest ones, the ones with history--are worlds of their own---and literally anything can happen there--and you can forget things like professionalism or oversight.

It is the Guards vs the Convicts---simple as that.

From the provided link:

Calls grow for new Red Onion State Prison investigation

The state Department of Corrections director has disputed allegations of abuse.

www.vpm.org

There are now multiple online testimonies from people incarcerated at Red Onion State Prison alleging they set themselves on fire to get out of the Wise County facility — citing racism and abuses.

Most are recorded by Prison Radio correspondent Kevin “Rashid” Johnson, who has been incarcerated at Red Onion several times for at least a decade, but will be transferred to another prison as part of a settlement agreement. According to his attorney, Johnson didn’t burn himself but has been reporting on the situation. From Dec. 26, 2023 until March 5, he went on a hunger strike in an attempt to be moved to another facility.

Nemeth said that while at the facility, Johnson faced racialized physical attacks including an assault that involved his dreadlocks being violently torn from his head, retaliation for speaking out about the conditions and refusal of water during his hunger strike — which is all documented in court filings.

She said even though Virginia passed a law that took effect in 2023 restricting the use of solitary confinement, it’s still happening at Red Onion and is part of the reason why people incarcerated there keep attempting to get out of the facility.

The ACLU has filed multiple lawsuits over Red Onion’s use of solitary confinement — and in 2021 reached a settlement agreement involving a Red Onion inmate who was kept in solitary confinement for more than 12 years.

A spokesperson for VADOC told VPM News the facility doesn't have solitary confinement and that “our agency recently participated in an American Correctional Association (ACA) audit, which demonstrates our Restorative Housing Units meet and/or exceed national standards related to time out of cell.”
Dotson has disputed prisoners’ statements about the facility’s conditions but confirmed “six inmates at Red Onion State Prison have burned themselves using improvised devices that were created by tampering with electrical outlets. To be clear, these inmates did not set themselves on fire or self-immolate.”

There are inmates in which there are no redeeming values at all and never will be. There is nothing to be done. The safety of civilians is the only plus. The prison as it is, may be to top shelf for that person and persons like him. There was talk at one tie to send them to overseas prisons which are not so nice as compared to American ones. And we know some American ones are not the nicest. The governments of those prison would gladly accept some money from our government in exchange for the inmates. What do you do? To see people rehabilitated would be great. There are many people released who have done heinous crimes that have done heinous crimes again. What is dangerous is that we are today a skittish and schizophrenic nation on many ways of living and it affects us all.

 

[leftwinger]

It's not because of how bad things are in prison. I don't support the death penalty because of how final it is. Once you kill someone, that's it. There is no turning back. With the large number of innocent people being taken off of death row exonerated by DNA or other evidence, fuck that shit. I will never support the death penalty.

I cannot understand how a republican can fight so hard for life of a baby but not for an adult. I don't care what they are accused of doing by our gov't. I don't trust our gov't. So I am 100% pro life, because life is precious. They might take a life yes, so take their freedom, not their life. Otherwise you're no different than they are. "You killed someone, so you're a terrible person" but "You killed someone, so we're going to kill you and that makes us a good person" simply doesn't fly in the face of logic.

Self defense is perfectly fine, as you have a right to protect yourself or others. But to summarily execute someone in cold blood strapped down to a table or sitting in a chair or standing against a wall and try to call it "justice", um no.

They didn't turn back killing victims. Why should I care? Let them rot or kill them by firing squad right away. You capture, rape torture, kill innocent you are a sick animal.

 

[leftwinger]

IMO, no one has the right to take the life of another outside of direct self defense.

It is self defense. Defense against them killing anymore innocent civilians.

 

[leftwinger]

Prosecutors and judges that falsely convict someone should take their place in prison or death row. Only this will reduce false convictions (maybe that's why God commanded it for Israel).

Juries? Racist jurors? DC deep state juries? Stacked juries? Nothing is perfect. Best answer is dont commit crimes. Look at J6 persecution over nothing. Now you want us to weep for lifetime violent felons?

 

[Woodznutz]

pknopp,
Can you explain what you meant in post #10, just to clear things up.

 

[pknopp]

It is self defense. Defense against them killing anymore innocent civilians.

Who did Manson ever kill after getting his death sentence lifted?

 

[leftwinger]

pknopp,
Can you explain what you meant in post #10, just to clear things up.

He's a Marxist hack that doesn't know or hasn't got his talking points yet.

 

[leftwinger]

Who did Manson ever kill after getting his death sentence lifted?

Cherry picking trolling fork. He didn't kill anyone before going in. His charts messed with the elite.//