When Will the Left Learn that Words Have Meaning?

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I have had the honor and pleasure to hear Oliver North speak in person several times and met him once. Afterwards, I felt incredibly proud to be an American.

When Will the Left Learn that Words Have Meaning?

by Oliver North
Posted Jun 27, 2005

John Kerry couldn't figure out why his fellow swift boat veterans attacked him so vehemently after launching his presidential campaign with that "reporting for duty" line.

Jane Fonda confesses to being "befuddled" about why Vietnam vets, many even older than she is, hurl epithets -- and more -- when she shows up to hawk her books.

And now, Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin and his colleagues are wondering why so many people refuse to accept his "apology" for slandering the men and women of our armed forces by likening them to those of Hitler, Stalin and Cambodia's Pol Pot.

In failing to comprehend the consequences of their words and actions, the Fonda-Kerry-Durbin trio serves as an archetype of the far left in misunderstanding the antipathy most Americans feel toward those who aid and abet our enemies.

Of the three, Durbin's June 14 verbal assault from the well of the U.S. Senate is the most egregious. Fonda's self-gratifying capers with the communists in Hanoi were conducted as a private citizen. Kerry was in a similar status when he made his unfounded, attention-grabbing atrocity accusations in 1971 before a congressional subcommittee.

But Durbin is no private citizen. He's the minority whip, the No. 2 ranking member of his party in the Senate. His were no "off the cuff" remarks. His unsubstantiated accusations of "barbaric treatment" at our terrorist detention facility at Guantanamo came before an assembly that arrogantly describes itself as "the world's greatest deliberative body." Thus, it could not have been a surprise to him or his fellow-travelers that his words flashed around the world, demoralizing our troops in the line of fire and offering our enemies a propaganda windfall.

Every major media outlet throughout the Middle East gave "lead story" status to Durbin's unconscionable remarks. Two days later, after he refused to recant, Al-Jazeera, Saudi Television, Al-Arabya, Lebanon TV and other mouthpieces for our Islamo-fascist adversaries gleefully reported, "U.S. Senator Stands by Nazi Remark." And, unsurprisingly, Durbin's belated, tearful, pseudo-apology on June 21 has been ignored by that same media. And he still doesn't "get it."

Those who now say "we can put the situation behind us" because Durbin has finally done "the right thing" are wrong. First, the serious damage done to our country and our military will not be easily undone. Second, what Durbin offered was no apology or act of contrition: "I have learned from my statement that historical parallels can be misused and misunderstood. I sincerely regret if what I said caused anyone to misunderstand my true feelings."

That's not a "sincere expression of regret for an offense" -- one of the definitions for an "apology." It is, instead, a further affront to those of us who were obtuse enough to have "misunderstood" his true feelings. Apparently, we should have perceived that comparing young Americans in uniform to mass murderers like Stalin, Hitler and Pol Pot were terms of endearment. For the record, the combined dead from Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge, Soviet gulags and the Nazi death camps approaches 40 million. To date, the death toll at "gulag" Gitmo is a hefty zero. Zilch. Nada.

As if to prove that he might have real regret for offending some people, Durbin says, "I am sorry if anything I said caused any offense or pain to those who have such bitter memories of the Holocaust, the greatest moral tragedy of our time." But when it comes to the men and women of our military, it's a different story.

Durbin claims, "I never ever intended any disrespect for them." But then he adds, "Some may believe that my remarks crossed the line -- to them, I extend my heartfelt apology." Try unpacking that. "Some may believe" doesn't confess that he believes his "remarks crossed the line." This is hardly an acknowledgement that he knows how wrong, offensive and damaging his words were to our armed forces and our country.

I confess to having done the same thing during a recent television interview. In response to a question, I said, "Sen. Durbin is Jane Fonda without the tummy tuck and face-lift." Immediately afterward, I was called by a "colleague" and asked if my comment was "over the top" and would I "like to apologize." Only partly tongue-in-cheek, I replied: "I really don't know if Ms. Fonda has had a 'tummy tuck.' If my remark offended her, I'm sorry." But I wasn't sorry for an affront to Sen. Durbin -- nor has he been able to express regret for his attack on our armed forces.

Sadly, Durbin's colleagues have rushed to defend the indefensible. Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid said, "I stand by the statement he made." He then added wishfully, "We are not going to discuss this any more." New York Sen. Chuck Schumer tried blaming Republicans, whom he said "will do anything for a diversion." And California's Dianne Feinstein now claims that things might get better if President Bush gives "regular progress reports to Congress and the American people," and says of Bush, "It's his war."

Perhaps Feinstein wants us to forget not only Durbin's unconscionable attack on our troops -- but her own affirmative vote on Oct. 11, 2002, in favor of the Iraqi War Resolution. It's her war, too.

Those on the far left are employing the same kind of rhetoric and tactics that worked during the Vietnam War -- where overheated rhetoric and the most vile slander are acceptable if they tarnish the president and hurt our war effort. They have no shame. They play politics like the Islamo-fascists conduct warfare -- dirty, ruthless and reckless, with no discernible rules, no regard for fact and no compunction about stabbing people in the back.

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=7879
 
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Do you have amnesia or don't you remember El Salvador..the contras etc.

It was like G Gordon Liddy and the other alive ex cons still supporting Nixon...and putting down Mark Felt.
I'm sure Nixon is smiling somewhere....that somewhere..being very warm.

Oliver North is a disgrace and traitor to his country. Yet the right will hop on any band wagon that attacks liberals.
Have some perspective for God's sake.
 
Beefheart said:
Do you have amnesia or don't you remember El Salvador..the contras etc.

I remember them well. I remember President Reagan's alarm at finding Soviet Bloc-funded, manned, and trained Marxist insurgencies in the Western Hemisphere. I can imagine his shock at learning that his principal adversary in stopping this naked aggression was none other than the Democrat-controlled U.S. House of Representatives. I remember Col. North being convicted of obstruction of justice, but having it overturned on appeal. I remember that the profits from arms sales to moderate factions in Iran were tied up in limbo, since no evidence of wrongdoing had ever actually been established. But, most of all, I remember that the people most relieved to see an end to the inquiry were House Speaker Jim Wright and his cronies. Their slavish infatuation with Daniel Ortega - clearly evident in correspondence and during many enjoyable visits - did not bear scrutiny. They'd have been exposed as either dangerously naive or consumed with treachery - useless in either case.

Beefheart said:
Oliver North is a disgrace and traitor to his country. Yet the right will hop on any band wagon that attacks liberals.
Have some perspective for God's sake.

Try a little helping of it yourself.
 
Who are these new crop of Libs who keep coming on here spewing such allegations without much care about engaging an argument based on linkable facts. I hope that from whatever board they come from, their fellows watch as we attempt to engage them in fair debate and how they continually evade such responsibilities.

Such poor examples of their own ideology I suppose. :cow:
 
Comrade said:
Who are these new crop of Libs who keep coming on here spewing such allegations without much care about engaging an argument based on linkable facts. I hope that from whatever board they come from, their fellows watch as we attempt to engage them in fair debate and how they continually evade such responsibilities.

Such poor examples of their own ideology I suppose. :cow:

Agreed - and this case is a good example. Libs love to throw around the term, "Iran-Contra Scandal", as if it somehow discredits President Reagan, Col. North, or any other conservative. The mildest curiosity about actual facts - beyond the thin veneer of name-calling spooned out by the MSM/DNC like so much pablum - would show that the true disgrace in this page of history is borne by liberal Democrats.
 
Beefheart said:
Do you have amnesia or don't you remember El Salvador..the contras etc.

It was like G Gordon Liddy and the other alive ex cons still supporting Nixon...and putting down Mark Felt.
I'm sure Nixon is smiling somewhere....that somewhere..being very warm.

Oliver North is a disgrace and traitor to his country. Yet the right will hop on any band wagon that attacks liberals.
Have some perspective for God's sake.

I can tell what you have been reading.

Perspective....uh....ok.
 
"Some may believe" doesn't confess that he believes his "remarks crossed the line." This is hardly an acknowledgement that he knows how wrong, offensive and damaging his words were to our armed forces and our country.
I agree. What a horseshit apology. "Some may believe"? To me, that implies that he believes that many people agree with him (sadly, many liberals probably do) and that he probably believes it as well. If he was truly sorry, he would not have said that "some may believe" or "if I offended anyone" shit.
 
The mildest curiosity about actual facts - - would show that the true disgrace in this page of history is borne by liberal Democrats.[/QUOTE]

Right. Reagan, North and the boys had nothing to do with do with the Iran- Contra Scandal. LOL
Your insular view of history continues to give the Republican failures a free ride and damns any liberal Democrat.
This view is what is keeping the body count mounting in Iraq. Bush's mismangement of this war has been a travesty.
The lies keep coming too:
Cheney: The insurgency is just about over.
Rumsfeld: Oh...maybe 12 more years.
Bush: Stay the course. ( now where have we heard that one before)
Talk about the gang that can't shoot straight.
It must be difficult ignoring this elephant in the room.
The way you bend over backwards to find fault with Democrats..when this fiasco is staring you in the face...is pathetic.
Playing ostrich is not being a good American.
 
Libs love to throw around the term, "Iran-Contra Scandal", as if it somehow discredits President Reagan, Col. North,

That's hysterical !..I'll just leave that statement stand out there all alone....to be laughed at.
Revisionism indeed !
 
Very well. Refute my statements. Recount the "Iran-Contra Scandal" as you understand it.
 
musicman said:
I remember them well. I remember President Reagan's alarm at finding Soviet Bloc-funded, manned, and trained Marxist insurgencies in the Western Hemisphere. I can imagine his shock at learning that his principal adversary in stopping this naked aggression was none other than the Democrat-controlled U.S. House of Representatives.

You asked me to relay the Iran Contra Scandal as I understand it...as if it's a matter of opinion. No....This case is a matter of facts.
When Republican administrations disgrace their country, people like you and your ilk twist the facts to avoid blame...and of course..the blame goes to the Democrats.

You stated that "this naked aggression " was thwarted by the Democrats.
Try thwarted by the Constitution. I know that the right considers the Constitution as a quaint document...to be ignored when it's convenient.

What you failed to leave out of your "impressions" of the Iran Contra Scandal is significant.
As a History professor, I get students who challenge the facts all of the time...as if they were just inconvenient little stories.They watch too much Fox News.
The facts speak for themselves :
US supported military dictators dominated Guatemala, Nicaragua and El Savador for decades,evoking continuous guerilla resistance and committing of atrocities. Tens of thousands were killed or "disappeared" under these
US -SUPPORTED governments.In Chile, the elected socialist president, Allende was murdered in a Sept, 1973 ,a CIA - supported coup that subsequently installed the brutal dictator Pinochet, a Nixon - Kissinger triump that led to massive executions, torture and "disappearances" of political opponents.
( I'm sure your chest is puffed out as you read about this American barbary by this Republican Administration. )
During the 80's the Reagan CIA secretly but vigorously supported the Salvadorian military government conducting death squads and political assassinations, and similar atrocities by the Nicaraguan "Contras" in their efforts to unseat the socialist Sandinista government. This support was provided secretively, in defiance of prohibitions imposed by ...yes...the Democratic led Congress which was appalled by the Contras' human rights abuses. The Contras operated largely from Honduras, which allowed attacks to be launched from their bases and allowed the US to conduct military and terrorist training exercizes and to construct airstrips to aid the Contras.

You obviously feel that it's just dandy for the US to contribute to the torture and death of people in Central America in the name of fighting Communism.
Damn that Constitution....always gets in the way of Republican Administrations.

Now...what is the current significance?
The Reagan administration personnel who crafted these illegal policies have re-emerged in high postitions thru-out the Bush II Administration.
Refer back to the practices in Honduras..sound familiar ? It should !This is where the Bush II administration got their ideas about taking people they apprehend to a third country to be tortured.
Bush denies this....of course he does. We should believe him...right ? LOL
Also, our recent Ambassador to Iraq and current Intelligence Czar nominee, John Negroponte, is none other than the former Ambassador to Honduras under Reagan during the Contra and Salvadorian death squad support era.
Why else would these crucial appointments be awarded a diplomat whose main previous appointment was merely to a small Central American country?
And more...Paul Wolfowitz, author of the original 1992 Iraq invasion scheme, has been appointed Director of the World Bank and arch crazyman unilateralist John Bolton has been nominated as Ambassador to the UN.

Now as far as that chronic liar..your hero...Oiver North.
North is so preposterous that there is a temptation to laugh at him.
He's an imposter, a drugstore marine with an apparent compulsion to bullshit just about all of the time. But when he tries to fool people with his fantasies, he is also very easy to fool. He boasts that he was a can-do guy when he worked for the White House, but the record spells no-can-do. North did terrible damage to the US until he was caught. One thread runs thru his performance...getting conned. The Iranians conned him, the contras conned him, the crooked arms dealers conned him and even Manuel Noriega conned him. LOL

On May 4, 1989 Oliver North was found guilty of three counts: aiding and abetting obstruction of Congress shredding and altering offical documents and accepting illegal gratuities. He was charged with many other counts...but b'c of Ollie shredding evidence...it couldn't hold up in court.
You state that his convictions were overturned by appeal...as if he was exonerated...which the liar North keeps stating. The appeals court threw out the conviction on a technicality. everyone knew he was guility as sin.

In summation....US supported death squads, shredding of the Constitution etc is nothing..It was the Democrats at fault. Your jaddedness is beyond reason.
As I have stated before, you and your buddies at this site.....hide their head in the sand over the information I just presented to you...and continue to play ostrich under the Bush Administration snafus and lies.

New thread: How come you , Bonnie and the righties...never discuss the lies, abuses and crimes of the Bush Administration? There is a plethora of information out there.
If you really care about this country....you would be concerned about these problems. I guess it's so much easier to ignore them and blame the minority party.
 
Beefheart said:
New thread: How come you , Bonnie and the righties...never discuss the lies, abuses and crimes of the Bush Administration? There is a plethora of information out there.


Name them. And don't spew the, oh so common, oh so boring, usual retoric that I can find on DU.
 
Beefheart said:
You asked me to relay the Iran Contra Scandal as I understand it...

And you obviously don't. The centerpiece of the whole affair was the Boland Amendment:

"The Boland Amendment was a highly limited ambiguous compromise because the Democrats did not have enough votes for a comprehensive ban... However, for years Democrats alleged that Reagan's people violated the highly ambiguous amendment. Congress later resumed aid to the Contras, totaling over $300 million; the Sandanistas were voted out in 1990...The Boland Amendment prohibited the federal government from providing military support 'for the purpose of overthrowing the Government of Nicaragua' (my observation: pretty strange piece of legislation, don't you think? Fairly "nation-specific". It points out the embarrassing personal adulation House Democrats displayed toward one Daniel Ortega - to the detriment of their own nation's security. Scandal, indeed!). As such, it was thought by many to be an unconstitutional interference with the President's ability to conduct foreign policy...a later Congress repealed the Boland Amendment and resumed funding. Elections in Nicaragua subsequently ousted the Marxists from power".

http://en.wikipedia.org/Boland_Amendment

You'd have abandoned Central America to the Marxists - and you claim to be a HISTORY PROFESSOR? These are not nice people, Beefheart. Read up on them a little.
 
Beefheart said:
You stated that "this naked aggression " was thwarted by the Democrats.

No, I didn't. You're not even close. The naked aggression was, in fact, AIDED AND ABETTED by Democrats, and thwarted by Reagan.

Beefheart said:
Try thwarted by the Constitution. I know that the right considers the Constitution as a quaint document...to be ignored when it's convenient.

By that yardstick, then, FDR ignored the Constitution when he moved to repeal prohibition. President Reagan managed to rescue the Western Hemisphere from clear and present danger, despite the heroic efforts of the Democrats to hand Central America over to the Communists on a silver platter. The Boland Amendment was bad law, and was repealed as such. Yet, on this thoroughly discredited basis, ill-informed, willfully blind liberals continue to chant "Iran-Contra! Iran-Contra!" Pathetic.
 
I, for one, am glad that modern American History doesn't read:

"The Glorious People's Revolution endured its darkest hours during the 1980's, when then-U.S. President Ronald Reagan threatened to break communism's back with his massive, insurmountable arms buildup (yet another example of the inequities inherent in the antiquated free market system). Our rescue came - ironically - at the hands of the Democrat-led U.S. House of Representatives (see 'Heroes of the Revolution' display during your next scheduled compulsory visit to the People's Museum - this means YOU). Hamstrung by the Boland Amendment, Reagan was unable to halt our glorious advance into the Western Hemisphere. This made all the difference.

Within a few years, even the feeble American government recognized that the Boland Amendment was outrageously bad law - dangerous and foolhardy at best; outright treachery at its more realistic worst. But, by that time, of course, the damage had been done".

I am equally glad that Americans - skulking in dimly-lit alleys, and hopefully out of sight and earshot of the Thought Police - aren't engaged in conversations like this one:

"Well, we might be done for - our way of life a fast-fading memory - poised at the beginning of a thousand years of terror and darkness - but, at least Ronald Reagan didn't bend any screwed-up laws. I guess we can be thankful for that".
 
musicman said:
And you obviously don't.

Every word I spoke is 100 % accurate. Your ignoring of the US, backing dictators that subvert and torture their own people.....is astonishing.

Or shall I say..."There you go again"...to quote one of your heroes.
Boy..you guys really do love to play ostrich !
But I guess you are beyond redemption.

You asked me to list Bush's failures and lies.
I now have to do YOUR homework for you ?
Don't you read the newspapers ?
If you watch anything other than Fox news, or you actually read the papers..unlike the president.....you should be able to come up with at least 50 items.

I actually was going to compile a list....First one I thought of was the first few months Bush was in office when he had to pick an EPA chief. Did he pick an environmentalist? Someone with a record of protecting our land ? No, he picked an oil man ! LOL
And so it goes. You and your ilk are probably against protecting the environment as Bush is...so why waste my time.
You probably would also have excuses for the current mercury -autism scandal...where our government knowingly allowed thimerasol to be used in child vaccines which caused a huge rise in autism.
(What this administration won't do in protecting
the pharmaseutical industry !...one of their main contributors. )
And now that the word is out to everyone, it finally was outlawed..in this country....but...we still import it to foreign countries ...still knowing...and not caring about it's problems. 1.8 million children in China have developed autism where before it was almost unheard of. Like we don't have enough people hating the US now....Wait until the rest of the world catches on that we knowingly are exporting medicine we know to be harmful.
Did Bush get involved in this ? Did he show leadership?
Of course not. He had Bill First do his dirty work for him. First has worked diligently to prevent parents of children who developed autism from the vaccines not be allowed to sue for damages.
What an administration !
And then I think about some of the nitpicking & bitching being done about Democrats like Obama believing his own hype ....at this site.
Please...get a grip on the real problems in this country.

The Democrats are not in charge here...it is the GOP making policy.

The right will continue to ignore Bush and the GOP ruining this country....and continue to bitch about Democrats...while hiding their heads in the sand over the true problems in this country.

One final comment. Since the army has not realized it's recruiting goal the past few months...we are in desperate need of bodies...er...soldiers to be shipped off to the Middle East.
It's time for all you Bush-loving, war supporting , ribbon magnet people to step up. Yes you. You know who you are. It's time for you to help the cause and enlist for Iraq. NO excuses either. From what I hear..the army will take any warm bodies now. You think you're too old....naaaaaaaaaaa The Army will take you. Bad feet, mental deficiencies....not a problem !
Time to put your life where your mouth and beliefs are.
Enlist.....Bush needs you.
Don't worry....he won't allow your coffin to be seen coming home in the middle of the night.

BTW.....I'm not a Democrat..and certainly not a Republican.
As I tell my students, think critically. But for most of you...that ship has sailed. And so has my ship...I'm sailing out of this close- minded site and heading for Kauai.
Have fun demonizing the Democrats....while the Bush Administration steals the values and beliefs this country was founded on....right under your noses.


Peace.
 
Beefheart said:
musicman said:
And you obviously don't.

Every word I spoke is 100 % accurate. Your ignoring of the US, backing dictators that subvert and torture their own people.....is astonishing.

Or shall I say..."There you go again"...to quote one of your heroes.
Boy..you guys really do love to play ostrich !
But I guess you are beyond redemption.

So, basically, what you're saying is that you don't know jackshit about Iran-Contra. I daresay you're hearing the words "Boland Amendment" for the first time in your life. You know only what the MSM/DNC have allowed you to know, and you tell us that WE'RE playing ostrich.

In closing, let me say that, if you're really an educator, you're a poor one. You use the term "barbary" when no such common noun exists(I think you meant "barbarity"). You scoff at the American appeals process when it yields an outcome that doesn't please you. You present your rank prejudices as indisputable fact. You are precisely what is wrong with education in America today. If I ever find out you're drawing a paycheck for teaching my kid, I'm asking for my money back.
 

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