Zone1 When Was The Very First Bible Published?

[presonorek]

there is not a single original copy for any of the text used to write the 4th century christian bible and certainly there does not exist the archive of material used by them to write their fully unauthenticated document - as would in the final anallysis be the motive for the lack of such an archive to have been preserved.

to say otherwise is the height of deceit - or simply produce the documents claimed.

The textus receptus is supposedly the most commonly used manuscripts that were found. Those were in Greek.

I don't know how many of those originals exist or what year they were dated.

I have asked you this before but do you ever use illegal drugs? There is no such thing as a religion based on 6 words. Religions are complicated, meticulous, tedious, time consuming, and require a whole life time to master. A six worded religion is an anti religion. You desire to be free from rules so you took an acid trip and made this nonsense all up. Why are you still advocating for this? I have seen you talking this silliness for years. The Bible is a powerful work of literature. Your six word phrase is not powerful at all. It is just adorable if you are six but I don't think you are six. Grow up. There is a really complicated and confusing world out there to enjoy. Come enjoy it with us and put down this childish nonsense.

 

[zaangalewa]

iamwhatiseem

You seem to be an idiot. Or howelse do you substantiate your "funny"-comment to post #85 here?

 

[zaangalewa]

.... The RCC is in the same boat as the Mormons and the Muslims.......they calim to have special access to new revelations from God.

What's totally wrong. We are catholic and not esosteric. What we know everyone is able to know. If someone likes to know something from us then we give an answer - "in best knowledge and conscience" - but without any guarantee for anything. Everyone has an own way to god and everyone makes the own decisions. And often something what seems to be bad first is able to be a blessing in later times of life. The ways of god and the ways to god are often a miracle - but this excludes no one and nothing.

 

[BreezeWood]

The textus receptus is supposedly the most commonly used manuscripts that were found. Those were in Greek.

I don't know how many of those originals exist or what year they were dated.

I have asked you this before but do you ever use illegal drugs? There is no such thing as a religion based on 6 words. Religions are complicated, meticulous, tedious, time consuming, and require a whole life time to master. A six worded religion is an anti religion. You desire to be free from rules so you took an acid trip and made this nonsense all up. Why are you still advocating for this? I have seen you talking this silliness for years. The Bible is a powerful work of literature. Your six word phrase is not powerful at all. It is just adorable if you are six but I don't think you are six. Grow up. There is a really complicated and confusing world out there to enjoy. Come enjoy it with us and put down this childish nonsense.

Religions are complicated, meticulous, tedious, time consuming, and require a whole life time to master.

again you did not produce the archive they used to write their 4th century c-bible which leaves the work legally unauthenticated - or - more commonly referred as a religious work of fiction.

the mythical, spiritual journey of a&e set by the heavens for humanities foray into life and established for all beings on planet earth that may aspire to free their spirits to return from which they came is a simple prescription - the triumph of good vs evil - that will be judged if accomplished for admission to the everlasting - purity is required.

the book is not something to take a lifetime to master - the religion to triumph one or the other to free a spirit through the purity of the accomplishment is.

 

[LibertyKid]

write what down ... that was not jewish.

for the same reason jesus did not leave in script their beliefs were the same why there are no 1st century beliefs recorded in stone or tablet - their beliefs of liberation theology, self determination received the same fate as their followers - crucifixion ...

or the so called 4th century christians have etched tablets or reliefs of what truly were the 1st century events those people were willing to - die for. no timely records of the 1st century were saved / exist.

... and try not to bring laughter for what is actually in the c-bible was what anyone was ever killed for.

I'm not sure I can read and understand what you're saying.

My point again for clarification:
Oral tradition was how the gospel initially spread. The primary reason for oral tradition, because most of the people were illiterate.
Eventually, the gospels of Christ were written down in Greek.

 

[g5000]

The first published Bible was the Gutenberg Bible printed in 1455. 180 copies were printed, most on paper, some on a writing surface made of calfskin. I think there are something like 48 of these Bibles still in existence and some of those are fragments of the original.

Gutenberg also invented the printing press with the first operational one put to use in 1440. This was the catalyst of the Renaissance as for the first time most people were able to read classical literature like the Bible for themselves without having to go through an intermediary who too often 'edited' the contents.

The Renaissance freed minds making the Reformation possible in the 16th Century changing the traditions of Christianity, even in the Roman Catholic Church, forever.

Trivia: It is estimated that a Gutenberg Bible would sell for more than $5 million today.

The Bible was around long before Gutenberg. It was copied by hand by monks for centuries.

 

[Clyde 154]

there is not a single original copy for any of the text used to write the 4th century christian bible and certainly there does not exist the archive of material used by them to write their fully unauthenticated document - as would in the final anallysis be the motive for the lack of such an archive to have been preserved.

to say otherwise is the height of deceit - or simply produce the documents claimed.

Prove you negative. Its simple. You are the one making the accusation...........I present to you, The Holy Bible in any modern translation you might wish to challenge. Prove these books did not exist. The same ole same ole. All hat no cowboy.

 

[Cellblock2429]

I was writing the same thing. The bible might as well not have existed before people could read it in their own language.

/----/ I've read that at one time it was illegal for a commoner to own or read the Bible. It was reserved exclusively for clergy and Kings. Of course, most were illiterate anyway, so it was a moot point.

 

[Clyde 154]

In the early centuries of Christianity, there were many texts circulating, at least one of which was lost. Before there was a formal Church structure and hierarchy, every Church had their own unique collection of scripture. The collection depended on, not only theology, but access as well. Books back then were hand written and very expensive.

As the Church in Rome became the richest and most influential it began imposing order on the small Churches in the provinces.

If its LOST.....its moot, no? You can't argue in negative circles concerning something can't be produced. Its a logical fallacy.

The books that make the canon of both the O.T. and N.T. are there for a reason........they were proven to have been written by or for an Apolste of Christ, and all work in harmony concerning the birth, life, crucifixtion and resurrection of Jesus Christ, or in the case of the O.T., they were in use up to 4 centuries before the birth of Christ, as verified by archaelogy. The majority of the manuscripts were in Greek........Jesus Himself referenced the Greek Translation of the O.T. Greek was the universal language of the 1st century.

 

[Foxfyre]

The Bible was around long before Gutenberg. It was copied by hand by monks for centuries.

Different manuscripts indeed were laboriously copied by scribes for use in the synagogues and then in the Christian congregations. But they were not mass produced for the people and they were not a 'Bible' as we know the Bible. Gutenberg's printing press made the Bible accessible to pretty much everybody who wanted access for the first time in history.

 

[BreezeWood]

I'm not sure I can read and understand what you're saying.

My point again for clarification:
Oral tradition was how the gospel initially spread. The primary reason for oral tradition, because most of the people were illiterate.
Eventually, the gospels of Christ were written down in Greek.

Eventually, the gospels of Christ were written down in Greek.

for the same reason jesus did not leave in script their beliefs were the same why there are no 1st century beliefs recorded in stone or tablet - their beliefs of liberation theology, self determination received the same fate as their followers - crucifixion ...

just curious why - eventually - those gospels were written down ... the one's in the 4th century christian bible. what are different in them than judaism as the reason for christianity.

perhaps you can point to the gospel that brought about the crucifixion of jesus and why those followers likewise were murdered.

... where are the tablets claimed by moses to have been etched in the heavens w/ ten commandments - those not by oral tradition, where are they.


- those desert religions are dead only through tyranny have they persisted. truth be told.

 

[alang1216]

If its LOST.....its moot, no? You can't argue in negative circles concerning something can't be produced. Its a logical fallacy.

It's not moot if there is evidence that it existed and we even know some of what it contained.

The books that make the canon of both the O.T. and N.T. are there for a reason........they were proven to have been written by or for an Apolste of Christ, and all work in harmony concerning the birth, life, crucifixtion and resurrection of Jesus Christ, or in the case of the O.T., they were in use up to 4 centuries before the birth of Christ, as verified by archaelogy.

The authors of the Gospels are unknown, certainly there are no names in the text, and it is very likely that the Apostles were uneducated Judeans and did not read or speak Greek. Attribution was provided later.

Nothing in the OT was seen by the Jews that know the scripture to foretell a Messiah that would die as a criminal on a tree.

The majority of the manuscripts were in Greek........Jesus Himself referenced the Greek Translation of the O.T. Greek was the universal language of the 1st century.

It is highly unlikely that Jesus spoke Greek, that was the language of the educated upper class, not the son of a workman. It is more likely he spoke Aramaic not Greek and never referenced the Septuagint.

 

[zaangalewa]

I personally subscribe to beliefs of some of the Gnostics.
In that, the Bible is not nearly as relevant or important as Christianity places it.
The only thing that matters is your personal actions, how you led your own life and your own personal relationship with God. PERIOD.
Jesus left no instructions. Nothing. Remarkably odd. But did not. ...

Go to a nice place - alone. Read Matthew chapter 5 - and do not forget to take a handkerchief with you when you go on this journey to god. It might happen you will think about something what had happened in your own life and what will cause your tears to flow. Let them flow. This helps.

 

[Leviticus]

The first copies of the actual bible were made a few hundred years after Jesus died. The bible itself was formed as a book in 325 AD, by the Council of Nicea.

 

[BreezeWood]

The first copies of the actual bible were made a few hundred years after Jesus died. The bible itself was formed as a book in 325 AD, by the Council of Nicea.

that council was only the 1st - continued till the end of the century ... much included in the c-bible was by a coin toss or by voting - the trinity won by 1 vote.

 

[Leviticus]

that council was only the 1st - continued till the end of the century ... much included in the c-bible was by a coin toss or by voting - the trinity won by 1 vote.

The trinity was already largely established prior to the Council of Nircea. Rome had already promoted it for several years. The council was really just a technicality to formalize what was already considered by Rome to be Christian dogma. They stacked the council with Bishops who would support what they wanted done, and the first thing they did following the Council'sdecision was declare any Bishops who refused to support the council's decisions, or still promoted ideas or beliefs that the council deemed "non-Christian", such as the Gnostics to be heritics.

 

[BreezeWood]

The trinity was already largely established prior to the Council of Nircea. Rome had already promoted it for several years. The council was really just a technicality to formalize what was already considered by Rome to be Christian dogma. They stacked the council with Bishops who would support what they wanted done, and the first thing they did following the Council'sdecision was declare any Bishops who refused to support the council's decisions, or still promoted ideas or beliefs that the council deemed "non-Christian", such as the Gnostics to be heritics.

well, your post sortof indicates the same - the shady days of the c-bible ...

Arian Controvesy

Arius's teaching reduced the Son to a demigod, reintroduced polytheism (since worship of the Son was not abandoned), and undermined the Christian concept of redemption, since only he who was truly God could be deemed to have reconciled humanity to the Godhead.

they made up the trinity to tie their divergent views into an acceptable explanation for what they came up with for their - messiah - to make sense. nothing from the 1st century in its conclusion and was put to a vote.

 

[Leviticus]

well, your post sortof indicates the same - the shady days of the c-bible ...




they made up the trinity to tie their divergent views into an acceptable explanation for what they came up with for their - messiah - to make sense. nothing from the 1st century in its conclusion and was put to a vote.

There were numerous views on the nature of Christ that were completely Contradictory to the concept of the Trinity. For example the Gnostics believed That the God of the Old Testament was not the true God at all but an evil lesser deity that had tried to overthrow the true God., and trick humanity into worshiping him. This was based on the idea that the Gnostics had That the very nature of Christ was Peace & Love and therefore The God of the Old Testament's demands of living sacrifices and Demands that anyone who refuses to Worship him be destroyed are completely Contradictory to the nature of Christ.
Jesus in the nastic faith was a prophet sent by the true God to return humanity To the true faith.

 

[BreezeWood]

Jesus in the nastic faith was a prophet sent by the true God to return humanity To the true faith.

just a guess, all the other prophets are known for what they claimed ... that is not true of jesus, they left nothing they claimed to be chronicled and what is claimed for them was by the crucifiers that used their likeness to write their 4th century c-bible ... truth be told.

liberation theology, self determination is nowhere to be found in what they wrote as the true religion of antiquity prescribed to a&e for their remission to paradise.

the true events of the 1st century as small and insignificant as they were at the time have left an indelible mark whether correctly understood or not and gives solace for whom and what actually did occur in its final chapter.

 

[Leviticus]

just a guess, all the other prophets are known for what they claimed ... that is not true of jesus, they left nothing they claimed to be chronicled and what is claimed for them was by the crucifiers that used their likeness to write their 4th century c-bible ... truth be told.

liberation theology, self determination is nowhere to be found in what they wrote as the true religion of antiquity prescribed to a&e for their remission to paradise.

the true events of the 1st century as small and insignificant as they were at the time have left an indelible mark whether correctly understood or not and gives solace for whom and what actually did occur in its final chapter.

Actually The Bible was put together in the 4th century but the books that it was made of were much older. The earliest Versions of the Gospels for example You are written about 60 to 70 years following Jesus' death.