When Is An Evolution Scientist Ever Going To Admit The Other Side May Be Right?

[Hollie]

When is the side promoting supernatural / magical gods going to demonstrate those gods? There are lots of gods invented by many societies so the thread title is actually aimed at religious people.

It is the process of science that explores and discovers. Now, it’s possible that science could be stymied and could hit the wall so-to-speak at finding a purely natural cause but that still wouldn’t prove a supernatural causation and it still wouldn’t prove god(s). How do we discern the truth? By faith? By assertion and stepping away and accepting untested and anecdotal claims? Or do we assiduously test our truths, hold them up to scrutiny and demand they be accountable at some level?

In a historical sense, the ''correct'' gods were often the gods whose followers had the largest armies, caliber of weapons and volume of fire.

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And the religious extremist is left to his usual tactic of obfuscation.

 

[Ringtone]

There is no other side.

Yours is the notion of metaphysical naturalism. Zoom Right over your head. Where's the scientific evidence for that?

crickets chirping

 

[Ringtone]

And the religious extremist is left to his usual tactic of obfuscation.

 

[Ringtone]

When you come up with EVIDENCE that a "god" exists. Merely spouting religious clap trap isn't enough. It's just like Trump and his "election fraud." He has no evidence, merely bull crap that, according to Goebbels, if spouted enough, becomes fact (to the stupid.)

The manifest evidence for God's existence is the existence of the Universe in and of itself. But then atheists are hysterically irrational. Atheists believe in magic: that actual infinities are possible or that the physical world came into existence sans a sufficient cause, that is, that it caused itself to exist . . . before it existed or came into existence from an ontological nothingness. Duh.

Go figure.

LOL!

 

[Hollie]

DNA and the genome support Darwin's hypothesis; there is no scientific support for Adam and Eve.

Genetics

humanorigins.si.edu

The assertion that genetics entail "no scientific support for Adam and Eve" is nonsensical and, essentially, meaningless, pseudoscientific gibberish.

The article you cited goes to the genetically negligible difference between humans and other primates in terms of percentile. This mostly pertains to genetic content and much less to genetic sequencing and structure. The difference in genetic sequencing and structure is significantly different, resulting in an exponentially tremendous difference in terms of intelligence and adaptability

In any event, why, precisely, do you believe that this genetic similarity in terms of content necessarily supports the hypothesis of evolution, much less the metaphysical presupposition thereof?

Metaphysical (you obviously mean non-scientific) suppositions are relegated to non-critical thinking types who don't understand the difference between the discipline of science vs. apologetics for fear and superstition.

It's profoundly disturbing to the hyper-religious to be told that insofar as the world around us is of naturally occurring circumstances that, science remains our best tool for investigating it. The methodology used by investigators employing science is presently the best that life on earth has yet devised. In contrast, any attempt to see the origin of our natural selves through the competing views of various gods, religions and the imposition of fear, are doomed to fail. None of the past or currently existing human-configured religions or the gods commanding those religions make any case for the origin of the universe or the biological life that has developed. None of the past or presently configured gods have ever materially contributed to human understanding of nature or a place in it.

 

[Hollie]

And the religious extremist is left to his usual tactic of obfuscation.

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The religious extremist has thoroughly devolved to a petulant child who has dropped to the floor in a kicking, screeching tantrum.

 

[Ringtone]

Adaptation is evolution

LOL! Behold the pseudoscientific slogan speak of know-nothing laymen.

Adaptive radiation ≠ evolutionary transmutation.

 

[Ringtone]

The religious extremist has thoroughly devolved to a petulant child who has dropped to the floor in a kicking, screeching tantrum.

 

[Ringtone]

They've still got no evidence of creationism at all.

Meanwhile, back to reality, the Universe, which began to exist in the finite past, exists.

 

[Hollie]

When you come up with EVIDENCE that a "god" exists. Merely spouting religious clap trap isn't enough. It's just like Trump and his "election fraud." He has no evidence, merely bull crap that, according to Goebbels, if spouted enough, becomes fact (to the stupid.)

The manifest evidence for God's existence is the existence of the Universe in and of itself. But then atheists are hysterically irrational. Atheists believe in magic: that actual infinities possible or that the physical world came into existence sans a sufficient cause, that is, that it caused itself to exist . . . before it existed or came into existence from an ontological nothingness. Duh.

Go figure.

LOL!

Actually, the manifest failure of the argument appealing to fear and superstition is that as science explores and discovers, fear and superstition are replaced by an understanding of natural processes.

Not so long ago, the manifest evidence for the gods was nothing more than swords and knives at the necks and bellies of humans. The churches imposed their gods on the population with ruthless punishment for any contrary discourse, Not so long ago in human history, people cowered in fear at a solar eclipse believing the gods were angry. People would sacrifice both humans and animals to appease the angry gods. Not so long ago in human history, it was impossible to conceive of a world not managed/controlled by one or more gods, and now, it is apparent that the gods don't control anything we can identify. Not so long ago, It was inconceivable that there were not angels pushing the planets and the gods opened flowers and so on-- but now it is natural to know that these things have non-divine underpinnings. We are evolving! And we are evolving away from the fear and superstition based tenets of religious dogma.

 

[Hollie]

The religious extremist has thoroughly devolved to a petulant child who has dropped to the floor in a kicking, screeching tantrum.

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The religious extremist is thoroughly incapable of presenting a coherent argument.

 

[Hollie]

They've still got no evidence of creationism at all.

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Meanwhile, back to reality, the Universe, which began to exist in the finite past, exists.

Wow. That's, you know, deep. The universe exists! Not afraid of controversy those religious extremists.

Today is Tuesday! I hope everyone can appreciate how profound that is.

 

[Ringtone]

The manifest evidence for God's existence is the existence of the Universe in and of itself. But then atheists are hysterically irrational. Atheists believe in magic: that actual infinities are possible or that the physical world came into existence sans a sufficient cause, that is, that it caused itself to exist . . . before it existed or came into existence from an ontological nothingness. Duh.

Go figure.

LOL!

Actually, the manifest failure of the argument appealing to fear and superstition is that as science explores and discovers, fear and superstition are replaced by an understanding of natural processes.

Not so long ago, the manifest evidence for the gods was nothing more than swords and knives at the necks and bellies of humans. The churches imposed their gods on the population with ruthless punishment for any contrary discourse, Not so long ago in human history, people cowered in fear at a solar eclipse believing the gods were angry. People would sacrifice both humans and animals to appease the angry gods. Not so long ago in human history, it was impossible to conceive of a world not managed/controlled by one or more gods, and now, it is apparent that the gods don't control anything we can identify. Not so long ago, It was inconceivable that there were not angels pushing the planets and the gods opened flowers and so on-- but now it is natural to know that these things have non-divine underpinnings. We are evolving! And we are evolving away from the fear and superstition based tenets of religious dogma.

Meanwhile, back to reality, the Universe, which began to exist in the finite past, exists. LOL!

 

[Hollie]

The manifest evidence for God's existence is the existence of the Universe in and of itself. But then atheists are hysterically irrational. Atheists believe in magic: that actual infinities are possible or that the physical world came into existence sans a sufficient cause, that is, that it caused itself to exist . . . before it existed or came into existence from an ontological nothingness. Duh.

Go figure.

LOL!

Actually, the manifest failure of the argument appealing to fear and superstition is that as science explores and discovers, fear and superstition are replaced by an understanding of natural processes.

Not so long ago, the manifest evidence for the gods was nothing more than swords and knives at the necks and bellies of humans. The churches imposed their gods on the population with ruthless punishment for any contrary discourse, Not so long ago in human history, people cowered in fear at a solar eclipse believing the gods were angry. People would sacrifice both humans and animals to appease the angry gods. Not so long ago in human history, it was impossible to conceive of a world not managed/controlled by one or more gods, and now, it is apparent that the gods don't control anything we can identify. Not so long ago, It was inconceivable that there were not angels pushing the planets and the gods opened flowers and so on-- but now it is natural to know that these things have non-divine underpinnings. We are evolving! And we are evolving away from the fear and superstition based tenets of religious dogma.

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Meantime, back to reality, the Universe, which began to exist in the finite past, exists. LOL!

Heh! The religious extremist is reduced to stuttering and mumbling.

 

[NoNukes]

I find it funny that creationists find evolution so far-fetched while believing people just popped out of thin air.

The facts are, neither side can prove their side.

We know the world is older than 5,000 years.

 

[NoNukes]

The facts are, neither side can prove their side.

Evolution has an overwhelming amount of evidence to support it.

No, there isn't. For example, how much bananas do you eat? If we came from monkeys, then we'd all be eating a lot of bananas. I usually buy apples over bananas. We'd also be able to climb trees naturally. Most of us can't climb trees like monkeys can't walk bipedal.

It's not only the genetics do not fit, the behavior and innate skills do not match.

Some people have these physical attributes

 

[Ringtone]

No, there isn't. For example, how much bananas do you eat? If we came from monkeys, then we'd all be eating a lot of bananas. I usually buy apples over bananas. We'd also be able to climb trees naturally. Most of us can't climb trees like monkeys can't walk bipedal.

It's not only the genetics do not fit, the behavior and innate skills do not match.

Actually, monkeys are capable of bipedal locomotion on vertical surfaces in the wild and can be trained to walk bipedally on horizontal surfaces.

 

[pknopp]

I find it funny that creationists find evolution so far-fetched while believing people just popped out of thin air.

The facts are, neither side can prove their side.

We know the world is older than 5,000 years.

Absolutely. Not what we were discussing though.

 

[Anomalism]

Absolutely. Not what we were discussing though.

Creationism is extremely unlikely given what we do know. Don't underestimate the limits of your own knowledge either. The vast, vast majority of scientists believe evolution to be real.

 

[pknopp]

Absolutely. Not what we were discussing though.

Creationism is extremely unlikely given what we do know. Don't underestimate the limits of your own knowledge either. The vast, vast majority of scientists believe evolution to be real.

Which I'm not arguing.