Zone1 When I look at mama's old Bible

[badbob85037]

My grandmother/mother passed on my birthday last year, and she left behind her old Bible and her mother's old Living Bible.

The common theme?

They're both falling apart. Spines frayed, torn pages, pages falling out, whole sections of verses highlighted or underlined...

So when I look at mama's old Bible, I'm reminded of a saying:

"A Bible that's falling apart usually belongs to someone who isn't."

And no, she (nor her mother before her) never fell apart. Her faith saw her through life. And I plan to make sure the same is true with me.

If you are a Christian and feel you have backslidden, I encourage you to jump back into God's word. If you're on the fence, give it a try. As stricken with grief as I still am over her passing, I will not let my faith in God diminish.

Please, go read your Bible, make it fall apart if you have to! By the time it does, you won't. Obey and adhere to everything it says. You won't regret it.

My grandfather was a Baptist Minister. When he wasn't out plowing and working his farm he would set in his chair reading his Bible. One thing he taught me is there is no chance God is anything but real. Anyone who has read that book will agree.

 

[TemplarKormac]

My grandfather was a Baptist Minister. When he wasn't out plowing and working his farm he would set in his chair reading his Bible. One thing he taught me is there is no chance God is anything but real. Anyone who has read that book will agree.

Brilliant!

 

[TemplarKormac]

"do as i say or be punished for eternity" isnt free will. It isnt love.
Especially since he apparently knows whats going to happen to us. Why would he even make us if he knew he would punish us for eternity? Us humans call people like that psychopaths.

I'll point something out here.

If there was no free will, how did a third of the heavenly host wind up rebelling against God when Satan tried to supplant God?

Angels aren't automatons. Nor are we.

"Choose ye this day whom ye will serve."

-Exerpt from John 24:15

Notice the operative word "choose."

Yes God knows, he knows every eventuality. But yet he lets us choose. He is prepared to act no matter what we decide.

As for eternal punishment, God is infinite, we as his creations are finite. You can't as a finite creation expect to sin against an infinite being and not expect infinite consequences.

Also, the eternal is also based on one's continued rejection of Christ. Just as your rejection of him is infinite, so too is your punishment. You are given a choice. The punishment matches.

But here's the fun part: Jesus died on the cross for our sins, he took on the consequences of our sin, the infinite wrath of an infinite being and was resurrected three days later. To reject that is to choose infinite punishment in the end. This was and is an unfathomable act of mercy. Without that, we would all be doomed to eternal punishment.

 

[TNHarley]

I'll point something out here.

If there was no free will, how did a third of the heavenly host wind up rebelling against God when Satan tried to supplant God?

Angels aren't automatons. Nor are we.

"Choose ye this day whom ye will serve."

-Exerpt from John 24:15

Notice the operative word "choose."

Yes God knows, he knows every eventuality. But yet he lets us choose. He is prepared to act no matter what we decide.

As for eternal punishment, God is infinite, we as his creations are finite. You can't as a finite creation expect to sin against an infinite being and not expect infinite consequences.

Also, the eternal is also based on one's continued rejection of Christ. Just as your rejection of him is infinite, so too is your punishment. You are given a choice. The punishment matches.

But here's the fun part: Jesus died on the cross for our sins, he took on the consequences of our sin, the infinite wrath of an infinite being and was resurrected three days later. To reject that is to choose infinite punishment in the end. This was and is an unfathomable act of mercy. Without that, we would all be doomed to eternal punishment.

He already knows what we will choose. Yet, there will be pu ishment for not picking properly. Thats not free will. Thats fear.

 

[TemplarKormac]

He already knows what we will choose. Yet, there will be punishment for not picking properly. Thats not free will. Thats fear.

Yes, fear is a natural part of the relationship. What good is God if you don't fear him as well as love him? Fear instills respect. What good is any leader without them being feared as well as respected?

The very act of being given a choice defies the notion of predestination. Yes he knows. But is he forcing you? I'm not. He won't.

 

[Moonglow]

My grandmother/mother passed on my birthday last year, and she left behind her old Bible and her mother's old Living Bible.

The common theme?

They're both falling apart. Spines frayed, torn pages, pages falling out, whole sections of verses highlighted or underlined...

So when I look at mama's old Bible, I'm reminded of a saying:

"A Bible that's falling apart usually belongs to someone who isn't."

And no, she (nor her mother before her) never fell apart. Her faith saw her through life. And I plan to make sure the same is true with me.

If you are a Christian and feel you have backslidden, I encourage you to jump back into God's word. If you're on the fence, give it a try. As stricken with grief as I still am over her passing, I will not let my faith in God diminish.

Please, go read your Bible, make it fall apart if you have to! By the time it does, you won't. Obey and adhere to everything it says. You won't regret it.

Yer ma will be waiting fer you.

 

[TNHarley]

Yes, fear is a natural part of the relationship. What good is God if you don't fear him as well as love him? Fear instills respect. What good is any leader without them being feared as well as respected?

The very act of being given a choice defies the notion of predestination. Yes he knows. But is he forcing you? I'm not. He won't.

Sorry but saying you have free will, but you must do exactly what I say or you will burn for eternity, is not... free will.
That's like saying slaves have free will.

 

[Moonglow]

God helps Jews by making rodents like you just plain dumb

You will get moar bees with honey than you will get with vinegar.

 

[Moonglow]

Sorry but saying you have free will, but you must do exactly what I say or you will burn for eternity, is not... free will.
That's like saying slaves have free will.

That is the way of the Romans, not God.
Read on Coptic Jesus to see the truth of being one with the conscience with God and discovering who you are and wakening the Holy Spirit in you

 

[Ava]

No no. My grandmother raised me, so she took on the role of mother as well.

That is how I interpreted your very heart-warming post, TemplarKormac. Your loving grandmother with her Bible messages highlighted, together, brought up a kind and grateful loving boy into adulthood and now we have his wisdom and thoughtful nature from which to benefit. May she still be smiling when she looks down upon you in the way I've always looked up to you. Thanks, for your heartfelt post. It gladdened my heart.

 

[TemplarKormac]

That is how I interpreted your very heart-warming post, TemplarKormac. Your loving grandmother with her Bible messages highlighted, together, brought up a kind and grateful loving boy into adulthood and now we have his wisdom and thoughtful nature from which to benefit. May she still be smiling when she looks down upon you in the way I've always looked up to you. Thanks, for your heartfelt post. It gladdened my heart.

That was very sweet of you, madam.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Sorry but saying you have free will, but you must do exactly what I say or you will burn for eternity, is not... free will.
That's like saying slaves have free will.

Maybe this will do more than I can.

https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMg_82def6b5-31f4-4028-a12b-3889f6137a6b

 

[TNHarley]

Maybe this will do more than I can.

https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMg_82def6b5-31f4-4028-a12b-3889f6137a6b

That says exactly what i said. Just a lot more bs.

 

[TemplarKormac]

That says exactly what i said. Just a lot more bs.

I'll tell you what.

Do you feel forced to choose? Has someone tried to force you lately?

We are commanded to walk away if someone refuses.

That puts a hole in the "No free will" argument.

The person is permitted to choose. They are not forced. Were that so, America would be a theocracy, and nobody else in the world would be allowed to deviate.

But it is your prerogative. I'm pleased with your respectful tone.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

Its an allegory didnt you take an English lit course in graduate school

This is why I laugh when some people are called 'fundamentalists', when in fact actually being a fundamentalist requires a lot of work other than mere reading, it requires a lot of training and study. It really isn't intended for popular reading, and relies on honest teachers to instruct their churches, who are mostly working all week at real jobs and need guidance and a social framework and how to treat each other, and have open discussions and questions, as well as singing and interaction. the basic messages work fine on that level as well as advanced levels as study permits. It's a very comprehensive study of the human psyche from top to bottom, and certainly useful for guidance, whether one is a mystic or not.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

So 99.99995% of christians dont understand the bible. Mkay.

They don't need to know it all, they understand the fundamentals just fine. You don't.

 

[frigidweirdo]

this thread isn't about politics, But I will say the same could be said for all polticians

Religion is politics.

It's about controlling people.

 

[MostBoringManInTheWorld]

If you are a Christian and feel you have backslidden, I encourage you to jump back into God's word. If you're on the fence, give it a try.

Please, go read your Bible, make it fall apart if you have to! By the time it does, you won't. Obey and adhere to everything it says. You won't regret it.

Yes, just like how Trump backslid but found his way back onto the righteous and eternal path just in time for his Lord and Savior Jesus Christ to use Trump to save the soul of the American nation and redeem it back to Jesus so that it can manifest its destiny as God's modern Israel right alongside the modern Israel.

 

[Gary Seven]

Sorry but saying you have free will, but you must do exactly what I say or you will burn for eternity, is not... free will.
That's like saying slaves have free will.

Likely many people who had a hand in reprinting the Bible also had a hand in slavery... or at least in the feudal system which was not much different.

 

[Hafar1014]

You will get moar bees with honey than you will get with vinegar.

Thats why we have bug spray