When anti-gunners lie about the AR-15 rifle, or just get it completely wrong..

[Auld Phart]

Or the madmen can just take their car and drive into a crowd and accomplish the same thing.

or fill a truck with fertilizer and light a fuse.

 

[hadit]

So we should all live with Madmen weilding military grade weapons because a bunch of slave-rapists who shit in chamber pots couldn't clearly define a militia.

Got it.

Makes sense to me.

Translation: ban big, black and scary looking guns. Never mind that a deer rifle is powerful and deadly. It's not big, black and scary looking.

Of course, back in the day, only the affluent could afford guns, and the insane were institutionalized.

Also back in the day, no one was able to broadcast their opinion around the world in seconds, viewable by untold millions. Obviously, we have to strictly curtail internet debate board usage.

 

[martybegan]

or fill a truck with fertilizer and light a fuse.

That takes slightly more skill (and gasoline) as the hard part of any explosive device isn't getting it to blow up, it's getting it to blow up WHEN YOU WANT IT TO BLOW UP

I remember the moron in NYC who supposedly had gasoline in gas cans, and the fertilizer still in bags not realizing you have to mix them together for it to work.

Since I have a Masters in ChemE, I could figure it out, but your average person would have to go to the internet and then do it right.

As opposed, to car, drive, aim, people as bowling pins

 

[JoeB131]

If you could theoretically get rid of the guns, what's from stopping them from moving onto the vehicles?

Common sense.

If every gun magically disappeared from the country tomorrow, most of us wouldn't be affected at all. Most Western democracies get along just fine without private gun ownership. Guns are a cultural thing, not a necessity at all.

YOU DON'T NEED A GUN.

Now, for good or ill, we've built our entire society around the automobile. Unlike your gun, which sits in your closet most of the time, I have to use my car at least three times a day. It's a critical tool I simply can't get by without.

But if you want to treat guns like automobiles, I'm down with that.

Every gun owner should be licensed, required to carry insurance, have their guns registered and licensed, and subject to periodic inspections. And we should have a sizeable portion of the Police dedicated to enforcing gun laws, instead of the paltry 2400 ATF agents.

 

[martybegan]

Common sense.

If every gun magically disappeared from the country tomorrow, most of us wouldn't be affected at all. Most Western democracies get along just fine without private gun ownership. Guns are a cultural thing, not a necessity at all.

YOU DON'T NEED A GUN.

Now, for good or ill, we've built our entire society around the automobile. Unlike your gun, which sits in your closet most of the time, I have to use my car at least three times a day. It's a critical tool I simply can't get by without.

But if you want to treat guns like automobiles, I'm down with that.

Every gun owner should be licensed, required to carry insurance, have their guns registered and licensed, and subject to periodic inspections. And we should have a sizeable portion of the Police dedicated to enforcing gun laws, instead of the paltry 2400 ATF agents.

Most gun laws are State laws, you idiot.

And you couldn't get them to magically disappear. Criminals would still get them, or now criminals would know all they need is a knife or a bat or a sword/spear to commit their crimes.

It's easier to blame objects instead of people, especially people you don't want to blame.

 

[Hafar1014]

Common sense.

If every gun magically disappeared from the country tomorrow, most of us wouldn't be affected at all. Most Western democracies get along just fine without private gun ownership. Guns are a cultural thing, not a necessity at all.

YOU DON'T NEED A GUN.

Now, for good or ill, we've built our entire society around the automobile. Unlike your gun, which sits in your closet most of the time, I have to use my car at least three times a day. It's a critical tool I simply can't get by without.

But if you want to treat guns like automobiles, I'm down with that.

Every gun owner should be licensed, required to carry insurance, have their guns registered and licensed, and subject to periodic inspections. And we should have a sizeable portion of the Police dedicated to enforcing gun laws, instead of the paltry 2400 ATF agents.

Yes we do because democrats let violent criminals run free and imported thousands of illegal crininals

 

[westwall]

Then why doesn't the army go to war with shotguns?

They do. Mossberg 590 is the current issue weapon.

 

[Auld Phart]

Then why doesn't the army go to war with shotguns?

What shotguns do the military use? | [April Updated]

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thegunzone.com

 

[hadit]

No, I just understand the difference between "history" and "propaganda".

At the time of the American Revolution, the United Kingdom was a parliamentary democracy/constitutional monarchy. You guys have this child-like view that George III was calling the shots.

We have 18,000 gun murders a year because a bunch of slave rapists couldn't clearly define a militia.

The SC disagrees with you. Where did you get your law degree again?

 

[Lockback]

Actually, only about 13% of homicides in this country are 'gang-related' according to the National Youth Gang Survey

National Youth Gang Survey Analysis: Measuring the Extent of Gang Problems

The NGC conducted an annual survey of law enforcement agencies to assess the extent of gang problems. This page shows data measuring the extent of gang problems.

nationalgangcenter.ojp.gov

Any "stats" that you produce are suspect. In other words, I don't believe them for a second.

The majority of homicides are people killing their friends and family.

Yes, crimes of passion, etc.
It has always been thus.

Too bad.

Probably should talk to Trump's rich friends who hired them to start with.

"Trump's rich friends."
You are an incredibly dumb, brainwashed person. If you think rich people only vote for Trump or that liberals don't hire illegals, you are even more dense than I thought.
Your world is a cartoon strip, populated with caricatures, the biggest one of course being Donald Trump. You have a cartoon image of him because you have a very simple, very unsophisticated mind.

Well, how would you know until you did an investigation? After all the same OB/GYNs who would be signing off on Miscarriage diagnosis were the ones performing abortions a few months earlier.


For practical purposes, they aren't. They are incomplete pregnancies. That's it.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
You just spout ignorance like a sick person spouts diarrhea.
To in any way equate a miscarriage with an abortion shows just what a sick person you are.

 

[Lockback]

The SC disagrees with you. Where did you get your law degree again?

His ignorance is legendary. His viewpoints are disgusting.
He defines the word Loser.

 

[Hafar1014]

Any "stats" that you produce are suspect. In other words, I don't believe them for a second.

Yes, crimes of passion, etc.
It has always been thus.

"Trump's rich friends."
You are an incredibly dumb, brainwashed person. If you think rich people only vote for Trump or that liberals don't hire illegals, you are even more dense than I thought.
Your world is a cartoon strip, populated with caricatures, the biggest one of course being Donald Trump. You have a cartoon image of him because you have a very simple, very unsophisticated mind.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
You just spout ignorance like a sick person spouts diarrhea.
To in any way equate a miscarriage with an abortion shows just what a sick person you are.

Black males create 53% of all homicide

 

[Lockback]

Black males create 53% of all homicide

Correct.
Another inconvenient truth for the Left to chew on.

 

[AZrailwhale]

No, when the Founding Slave Rapists wrote that, guns were prohibitively expensive, which is why they didn't think the rabble would have them.

They certainly didn't want the slaves and indentured servants to have them.

Guns were only militarily useful when fired in volleys.


Really, then why are they called "Nuclear Arms"?

God you are ignorant, in those days guns ranged from the equivalent of a decent chain saw to the price of a Ferrari depending on the quality and detailing. Most farms (and most Americans lived on farms in those days) had at least one musket/rifle and often a shotgun for birds and small game as well. After their terms of indenture, indentured servants had all the rights of any other American and no society ever allowed slaves/serfs to be armed with anything more dangerous than a sling or very weak bow to use against vermin.

Even a smooth bore musket was accurate to a hundred yards against a man sized target as has been proven by modern testing. Common rifles were good to three to five hundred yards.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Then why doesn't the army go to war with shotguns?

It does. Horses for courses. Shotguns for breaching and close quarter combat in towns and rifles for general usage.

 

[AZrailwhale]

I was in for 11 years. My primary MOS was 76Y, which meant I was i charge of the arms vault for an infantry unit.

Never saw a shotgun. Not once.

76 Yankee is a supply specialist, NOT an armoror. You are a typical REMF or what they call a fobbit today.

 

[AZrailwhale]

hadit

So we should all live with Madmen weilding military grade weapons because a bunch of slave-rapists who shit in chamber pots couldn't clearly define a militia.

Got it.

Makes sense to me.

Of course, back in the day, only the affluent could afford guns, and the insane were institutionalized.

The insane were generally confined under conditions that led to a short life and career criminals had short careers because capital punishment was widespread.

 

[AZrailwhale]

That takes slightly more skill (and gasoline) as the hard part of any explosive device isn't getting it to blow up, it's getting it to blow up WHEN YOU WANT IT TO BLOW UP

I remember the moron in NYC who supposedly had gasoline in gas cans, and the fertilizer still in bags not realizing you have to mix them together for it to work.

Since I have a Masters in ChemE, I could figure it out, but your average person would have to go to the internet and then do it right.

As opposed, to car, drive, aim, people as bowling pins

I notice you are not usuing the correct combo for ANFO. But as ex-EOD I can attest that the biggest challenge a bomb maker faces is blowing up the target without blowing up himself.

 

[martybegan]

I notice you are not usuing the correct combo for ANFO. But as ex-EOD I can attest that the biggest challenge a bomb maker faces is blowing up the target without blowing up himself.

It's diesel and fertlizer?

I'm assuming gasoline and fertilizer would also at least go pop/burn if not boom.

 

[AZrailwhale]

They do. Mossberg 590 is the current issue weapon.

There are any number of shotguns designed or modified for military usage. The Winchester M-1897 even had a bayonet lug.