When And How To Choose

How stupid must one be to accept the lie, post this.....
"“ There were hundreds if not thousands of people who lost jobs, careers, even families based on McCarty's (sic) over reach and list he compiled and interrogated. Innocent people.”


....yet not be able to name one single innocent America ruined by the American hero Senator Jos McCarthy.



I guess you're as stupid as they come.
A small but vocal group of writers, commentators, and activists argue that Joseph McCarthy was a hero or at least unfairly vilified. They are not the mainstream view among historians, but they do exist. Here are the main types of people and specific figures who make this claim:




1. Conservative Authors & Commentators


These are the most prominent defenders of McCarthy. They often argue that McCarthy was exposing real Soviet infiltration and that later releases of classified documents partially vindicated him.


Notable Figures


• M. Stanton Evans – Author of Blacklisted by History (2007)


  • The most widely cited pro-McCarthy book in modern history.
  • Claims McCarthy was right more often than people think and was smeared politically.

• Ann Coulter – Author of Treason (2003)


  • Calls McCarthy a “great American patriot.”
  • Argues that liberals fabricated myths about McCarthyism.

• William F. Buckley Jr. (early years)

So did Buckley “change his opinion”?

He moved from strong, enthusiastic defense → to a more critical, qualified, and regretful stance.
  • He admitted McCarthy made serious mistakes.

• Brent Bozell Sr. – Co-author of Buckley’s pro-McCarthy book.




2. Anti-Communist Activists and Think Tanks


Certain Cold War–oriented activists and historians see McCarthy as a necessary force during a time of genuine Soviet espionage.


Examples​


• Cold War revisionist historians such as


  • Ronald Radosh (in earlier work)
  • Harvey Klehr & John Earl Haynes (though they don’t call him a hero, they argue communist infiltration was real)

These historians do not excuse McCarthy’s excesses but sometimes say his core concern—Soviet penetration of U.S. government agencies—had a factual basis.




3. Far-Right or Ultra-Conservative Groups


Some fringe or ideological groups portray McCarthy as:


  • A warrior against communism
  • A martyr of the “liberal establishment”
  • A symbol of strong anti-communist action

Examples include:


  • Certain chapters of the John Birch Society
  • A subset of online right-wing activists who valorize Cold War anti-communism
  • Some social media influencers who portray him as a “truth-teller”



4. A Minority of Ordinary Conservatives


Especially online, some conservatives argue:


  • McCarthy was “mostly right but went too far.”
  • Venona decrypts (released in the 1990s) show that the U.S. government did have communist spies.
  • His public image was shaped by Cold War propaganda.

This is not a majority position among conservatives, but it exists.




What Mainstream Historians Say


The overwhelming majority of historians do not view McCarthy as a hero. They argue he:


  • Lied or exaggerated about evidence
  • Blacklisted innocent people
  • Weaponized accusation for political power
  • Damaged institutions and civil liberties
  • Distracted from legitimate counterintelligence work

Even historians who note real Soviet espionage usually say McCarthy worsened the situation rather than helped it.
 

4. What is the scholarly consensus today?


Across left, center, and conservative historians:


What they agree McCarthy got wrong:


  • His numbers were fabricated.
  • His evidence was thin or nonexistent.
  • He conflated Communists, former Communists, liberals, and critics.
  • His tactics were abusive and damaging to rule of law.
  • He harmed many innocent individuals and institutions.

What they acknowledge was true:


  • Communism was a real geopolitical threat in the Cold War.
  • Soviet espionage existed in the U.S. government.
  • But McCarthy did not accurately identify the actual spies, and his methods made it harder for professionals to do so.

The academic consensus is that McCarthy exploited fear for political gain, and his claims, as he stated them, were largely incorrect.
All false

His numbers were accurate

The people he identified as spies were spies this was later proven by the venona documents

He conflated no one and you can name no one he conflated

It was the tactics used against him which were dangerous and damaging to rule of law

Youc annnot name one person or institution he hurt or damaged

The consensus is based on a false narrative
 
All false

His numbers were accurate

The people he identified as spies were spies this was later proven by the venona documents

He conflated no one and you can name no one he conflated

It was the tactics used against him which were dangerous and damaging to rule of law

Youc annnot name one person or institution he hurt or damaged

The consensus is based on a false narrative
You believe what you want to believe.
 
That is your facts, Not many people's facts.
you believe what you want to believe, I will believe what I want to believe. We live in different worlds
facts belong to no one they simply are

You live in denial
 
facts belong to no one they simply are

You live in denial
We live in different worlds. Your world calls things facts that are not. Trump has defined a world for a bunch of lemmings that is made up of lies. You will never get it.
 
You don't think an aggregation of hundreds of opinions and databases from a diverse group of sources not a good source.
What do you consider a good source. I hope it is not one or two opinions.
Because they're communist sympathisers, you dunce.

Morons like you don;t do their own research.


Dalton Trumbo.........this Communist apparatchik, the one the Democrats/Liberals love to hand-wring over.....

....claiming he was 'blacklisted'.....


.....yet he was the one who blacklisted pro-American individuals and works.


Rule #2
To know what the Left is guilty of, just watch what they blame the other side of doing.

2a. If not for double standards Liberals would have no standards at all.



"Dalton Trumbo, (born Dec. 9, 1905, Montrose, Colo., U.S.—died Sept. 10, 1976, Los Angeles),screenwriter and novelist who was probably the most talented member of the Hollywood Ten, one of a group who refused to testify before the 1947 U.S. House Committee on Un-American Activities about alleged communist involvement. He was blacklisted and in 1950 spent 11 months in prison."
Dalton Trumbo | American author

An agent of Joseph Stalin.

Here's what they leave out:

Dalon Trumbo, like any good communist, began a blacklisting of the other side before he became subject of an anti-communist blacklisting. The scholar Kenneth Billingsley found that Trumbo wrote in The Daily Worker about films which he said communist influence in Hollywood had prevented from being made: among them were proposed adaptations of Arthur Koestler's anti-totalitarian works Darkness at Noon and The Yogi and the Commissar,which described the rise of communism in Russia. Kenneth Billingsley, "Hollywood's Missing Movies: Why American films have ignored life under communism",Reason Magazine, June 2000
 
You don't think an aggregation of hundreds of opinions and databases from a diverse group of sources not a good source.
What do you consider a good source. I hope it is not one or two opinions.


“ There were hundreds if not thousands of people who lost jobs, careers, even families based on McCarty's (sic) over reach and list he compiled and interrogated. Innocent people.”

Yea Or Nay?




One hears this time and again from the indoctrinated....

If this is true…..it should be eminently simple to prove.





In one simple sentence I prove it a lie…

I challenged the poster, Elmer, as I do every time they post this sort of slander:

“Name one innocent American whose life was ruined by Senator Joseph McCarthy.”
 
I went to the Claremont Institute - A closer look under the bed, and found

"Reds" and "McCarthyism" in the 20th century refer to the intense anti-communist sentiment and political repression that occurred in the United States, particularly after World War II. Characterized by investigations, blacklists, and widespread fear, McCarthyism involved Senator Joseph McCarthy's public accusations of communist infiltration in government and other institutions, even though many claims were unsubstantiated. This era was a continuation of earlier anti-communist movements, fueled by the Cold War and events like the Russian Revolution.

Origins and early history
  • Early Red Scare: The first "Red Scare" began after the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution and the First Red Scare (1919–1920) involved a period of anti-radical and anti-immigrant hysteria, fueled by anarchist bombings and leading to political repression.
  • Involvement in the Russian Revolution: The U.S. invasion of Russia in 1918 and later diplomatic recognition of the Soviet Union in 1933 are seen as early triggers for conflict and espionage concerns.
  • Subversion and espionage: Soviet espionage networks began operating in the U.S. in the 1920s, with an increase in activity after diplomatic recognition in 1933.

The McCarthy era
  • Senator Joseph McCarthy: Became a prominent figure in the 1950s after claiming to have a list of 205 communists working in the U.S. State Department, although no such list was ever produced and the numbers were false.
  • "Red-baiting": McCarthyism is known for publicizing unsubstantiated accusations to create a climate of fear, leading to the public shaming of individuals and careers being ruined based on suspicion alone.
  • Investigations: McCarthy's subcommittee and others, such as the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), conducted numerous investigations into alleged communist activities in government, Hollywood, and other sectors.

Impact and legacy
  • Blacklists: The fear of communism led to blacklisting, which barred many suspected individuals from working in Hollywood, government, and other industries.
  • Suppression of dissent: The era led to a chilling effect on free speech and association, as people became afraid to express dissenting political views.
  • Widespread fear: The climate of suspicion and paranoia extended beyond the government to affect ordinary citizens, with people being investigated for their political opinions or associations.
  • End of the era: McCarthyism gradually lost public support by the mid-1950s and eventually faded out due to its excesses and lack of concrete evidence.
  • Cultural relevance: The period's legacy continues to be debated, with some historians arguing that the fear of communism was a legitimate threat, while others point to its use as a political tool to suppress dissent.
Senator Joe McCarthy confronted government officials concealing communist involvement and excessively lax security with regards to Communists in sensitive U.S. Government posts. In many cases he was on target, with over 81 of the names he gave the Tydings committee resulting in resignations or movement of security risks. Given that over 200 of the spies uncovered in the Venona decrypts were never identified, we can only speculate as to the national security impact of removing Communists from key DoD and State Dept posts.

Arthur Herman, author of "Joseph McCarthy: Reexamining the Life and Legacy of America's Most Hated Senator," says that the accuracy of McCarthy's charges "was no longer a matter of debate," that they are "now accepted as fact." And The New York Post's Eric Fettmann has noted: "growing historical evidence underscores that, whatever his rhetorical and investigative excesses - and they were substantial - McCarthy was a lot closer to the truth about Communism than were his foes."

3. The question wasn’t simply whether people like William Remington were agents of Stalin. He was [War Production Board; Office of Emergency Management, convicted for perjury, killed in prison] (see listing of Soviet agents List of Eastern Bloc agents in the United States - Wikipedia) The question was whether he should be working for the government.
 
A small but vocal group of writers, commentators, and activists argue that Joseph McCarthy was a hero or at least unfairly vilified. They are not the mainstream view among historians, but they do exist. Here are the main types of people and specific figures who make this claim:




1. Conservative Authors & Commentators


These are the most prominent defenders of McCarthy. They often argue that McCarthy was exposing real Soviet infiltration and that later releases of classified documents partially vindicated him.


Notable Figures


• M. Stanton Evans – Author of Blacklisted by History (2007)


  • The most widely cited pro-McCarthy book in modern history.
  • Claims McCarthy was right more often than people think and was smeared politically.

• Ann Coulter – Author of Treason (2003)


  • Calls McCarthy a “great American patriot.”
  • Argues that liberals fabricated myths about McCarthyism.

• William F. Buckley Jr. (early years)

So did Buckley “change his opinion”?

He moved from strong, enthusiastic defense → to a more critical, qualified, and regretful stance.
  • He admitted McCarthy made serious mistakes.

• Brent Bozell Sr. – Co-author of Buckley’s pro-McCarthy book.




2. Anti-Communist Activists and Think Tanks


Certain Cold War–oriented activists and historians see McCarthy as a necessary force during a time of genuine Soviet espionage.


Examples​


• Cold War revisionist historians such as


  • Ronald Radosh (in earlier work)
  • Harvey Klehr & John Earl Haynes (though they don’t call him a hero, they argue communist infiltration was real)

These historians do not excuse McCarthy’s excesses but sometimes say his core concern—Soviet penetration of U.S. government agencies—had a factual basis.




3. Far-Right or Ultra-Conservative Groups


Some fringe or ideological groups portray McCarthy as:


  • A warrior against communism
  • A martyr of the “liberal establishment”
  • A symbol of strong anti-communist action

Examples include:


  • Certain chapters of the John Birch Society
  • A subset of online right-wing activists who valorize Cold War anti-communism
  • Some social media influencers who portray him as a “truth-teller”



4. A Minority of Ordinary Conservatives


Especially online, some conservatives argue:


  • McCarthy was “mostly right but went too far.”
  • Venona decrypts (released in the 1990s) show that the U.S. government did have communist spies.
  • His public image was shaped by Cold War propaganda.

This is not a majority position among conservatives, but it exists.




What Mainstream Historians Say


The overwhelming majority of historians do not view McCarthy as a hero. They argue he:


  • Lied or exaggerated about evidenceTh
  • Blacklisted innocent people
  • Weaponized accusation for political power
  • Damaged institutions and civil liberties
  • Distracted from legitimate counterintelligence work

Even historians who note real Soviet espionage usually say McCarthy worsened the situation rather than helped it.
There is no Far Right in this county....only a Far Left.




Let me teach you some Enlish: radical
(especially of change or action) relating to or affecting the fundamental nature of something; far-reaching or thorough.

I am on the Right, meaning reflecting traditional American values and attitudes: limited government, free markets, and individual freedom, especially free speech.


Only Democrats are radical.....let's prove it:



There is no Far Right in America....only a Far Left known as the Democrat Party.


There is no "radical Right," or Far Right, in this country, you simpleton.


only a Far Left called the Democrat Party.



Let me prove it.



....the only extremists in the nation are the Leftists/ Democrats

You will not be able to find any radical views on the Right.



"Radical" is important to the discussion. It means "especially of change or action relating to or affecting the fundamental nature of something; far-reaching or thorough" (see Google.)



It's what the radical Obama was getting at when he said “We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.” — Barack Obama, October 30, 2008. “
Transforming from the positions that America was built on.....into the Far Left.




Radical positions as opposed to traditional ones identify "Far" Left



“Singer Macy Gray Says American Flag Should Be Abolished” Singer Macy Gray Says American Flag Should Be Abolished | The Daily Wire

“Transgender Athlete Chelsea Wolfe Says Goal Is To 'Burn a US Flag' at Olympic Podium”

www.newsweek.com




Wolfe, who identifies as a transgender female, spoke to Fox News on Monday to explain her deleted post from March and said, "Anyone who thinks that I don't care about the United States is sorely mistaken."

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1. ... traditional marriage, that involves one man and one woman, and compare that with homosexual marriage.. Which one is radical?

2. Another of those positions under regular discussion is 'prayer' in the public arena....Congress opens each year with prayer. Opposing prayer is radical....religiosity is traditional in America.



3. Is 'free speech' embraced by one side, and opposed by the other? You betcha! Obama's Supreme Court nominee says it would be be proper to suppress speech because it is offensive to society or to the government.



Starting to see a pattern?




4. While we were founded on the biblical idea that all men are created equal,

LBJ advanced a two-class nation based on skin color.
....this radical view was advanced: affirmative action. Hence, Democrats....the Far Left.



5. Here's one more radical position by the Left....fighting to elect a sexual pervert and admitted liar and disbarred lawyer to the White House: Bill Clinton
Relative to American traditions, values, and history ...championing a man of such low character is a radical position.
Hence, Far Left..



6. Franklin Roosevelt threw the United States Constitution under the bus, and used the public fisc for all sorts of endeavors not authorized in Article 1, section 8.

A radical and Progressive position.
He was the ultimate "Far Leftist."



7. Under Franklin Roosevlet the federal government was transformed from one of limited & enumerated powers only to the Frankensteinian monster it is today. ....the regulatory welfare state where the federal government regulates business and commerce, natural resources, human resources, ...
Under the Progressives, the federal government was no longer limited by the enumerated powers delegated in the Constitution; ...



Radical to the utmost....hence Far Left.



8.
Under Roosevelt's NRA, most manufacturing industries were suddenly forced into government-mandated cartels. Codes that regulated prices and terms of sale briefly transformed much of the American economy into a fascist-style arrangement,

"... into a fascist-style arrangement,..."
"A New Jersey tailor named Jacob Maged was arrested and sent to jail for the “crime” of pressing a suit of clothes for 35 cents rather than the NRA-inspired “Tailor’s Code” of 40 cents."
No surprise here: FDR's New Deal was a copy of Mussolini's economic program.



Could anything short of setting up concentration camps for our citizens, be more radical???



Oh...wait....he did build concentration camps for innocent civilians....his own citizens.



9. How about The Far Left's Gender-Agenda., versus the Right's stand for tradition and reality: "Republicans Battle to Roll Back Washington's New Transgender Bathroom Rules"

Really....could there be a more pertinent example of the radical, insane Far Left's corruption of tradition and history???



Could there?



10. The corruption of the press by the Far Left: the JournoList Scandal: hundreds of Leftist journalists plotted to minimize negative publicity surrounding Obama’s radical ties. They plotted to smear the other side with lies. Peter Zenger....spinnning in his grave.

A clear affront to the honor bestowed on the press by the first amendment.

And don't forget this winner......men can menstruate and have babies and women can become men.









And several times, I've presented this challenge: If you have used the fallacy "Far Right," or extremist for the Right, or radical Right, or never considered its usage, see if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.
 
You believe what you want to believe.
And you believe what the Left tells you to believe......


“ There were hundreds if not thousands of people who lost jobs, careers, even families based on McCarty's (sic) over reach and list he compiled and interrogated. Innocent people.”

Yea Or Nay?




One hears this time and again from the indoctrinated....

If this is true…..it should be eminently simple to prove.





In one simple sentence I prove it a lie…

I challenged the poster, Elmer, as I do every time they post this sort of slander:

“Name one innocent American whose life was ruined by Senator Joseph McCarthy.”
 
We live in different worlds. Your world calls things facts that are not. Trump has defined a world for a bunch of lemmings that is made up of lies. You will never get it.
No I do not I call things facts which are hardcore facts The proof is that you run from them and cannot challlenge them on any level

Trump has nothing to do with this discussion on Mccarthy
 
No I do not I call things facts which are hardcore facts The proof is that you run from them and cannot challlenge them on any level

Trump has nothing to do with this discussion on Mccarthy
You have your mind set. It is a waste of time to provide the facts to you.
 
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You have your mind set. It is a waste of time to provide the facts to you.
You have no facts to present

You are not avoiding a waste of time you are running away. You are ignorant of the history of this subject and know only a false narrative which the facts prove false.

You are strictly projecting. Incapable of learning new things and stuck in an endless loop of lies
 
You have no facts to present

You are not avoiding a waste of time you are running away. You are ignorant of the history of this subject and know only a false narrative which the facts prove false.

You are strictly projecting. Incapable of learning new things and stuck in an endless loop of lies
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