When And How To Choose

[22lcidw]

Republicans had mixed reactions to Joseph McCarthy, with the majority initially supporting his anti-communist crusade but a significant minority and eventually the party leadership turning against him as his tactics became extreme.

Once entrenched, Communism does not leave to easily. It was inevitable that as we moved massively leftward over many decades that Communism would be slowly introduced. Democrats are proud to be called Progressives now as it is.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Once entrenched, Communism does not leave to easily. It was inevitable that as we moved massively leftward over many decades that Communism would be slowly introduced. Democrats are proud to be called Progressives now as it is.

The Communist Party USA (CPUSA) has significantly fewer members today than it did in 1950. The party currently claims approximately 20,000 members (as of 2024), while in the period leading up to and including 1950, its membership was substantially higher, peaking at over 75,000 members in 1947.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Oh my, Chic. You need to read, what I provide you, proving my claims. You cannot refute the information.
The fact you blindly love Joseph McCarthy explains why you blindly love Donald Trump. At some point you need to open your eyes.

McCarthyism

McCarthyism describes the practice of publicly accusing government employees of political disloyalty and using unsavory investigatory methods to prosecute them.

firstamendment.mtsu.edu

The Silenced Generation: The Impact of McCarthyism on American Public Life in the 1950s

In February 1950, at the Ohio County Women’s Republican Club, a first-time senator from Wisconsin took the stage. Claiming to have a list of 250 state employees with ties to the Communist Party, the senator, whose name was Joseph McCarthy, would at that moment launch a decade of intimidation and...

www.perspectivesofhistory.com

Joseph McCarthy and Irresponsibility Narrative | Bill of Rights Institute

billofrightsinstitute.org

Mccarthy violated no ones rights

There was no intimidation or fear in that generation.

People who lived through that time have to watch some bullshit documentary to realize they were " silenced "

 

[Soupnazi630]

The Communist Party USA (CPUSA) has significantly fewer members today than it did in 1950. The party currently claims approximately 20,000 members (as of 2024), while in the period leading up to and including 1950, its membership was substantially higher, peaking at over 75,000 members in 1947.

There is more than one communist party.

The RCA and PSL are other communist parties

Overall there are more communists now than ever

 

[ElmerMudd]

There is more than one communist party.

The RCA and PSL are other communist parties

Overall there are more communists now than ever

Provide documentation.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Mccarthy violated no ones rights

There was no intimidation or fear in that generation.

People who lived through that time have to watch some bullshit documentary to realize they were " silenced "

Where do you people come from?
There are still people saying Hitler did not hurt anyone.
Crazy people everywhere.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Hmmmm... Look at the Crap that is being taught in our Colleges. Ethnic Studies. DEI. Is THAT gonna produce skilled workers?

Your post makes it appear that I said "Ethnic Studies. DEI. Is THAT gonna produce skilled workers?"

I most certainly did not.

 

[PoliticalChic]

An aggregation of all the data on jobs lost
Senator Joseph McCarthy’s anti-communist investigations (1950–1954) did not produce an exact, universally agreed-upon number of people who lost their jobs, but historians have produced reliable estimates.

Best historical estimates​

• The “Red Scare” era (late 1940s–1950s)—which includes McCarthy’s hearings but also the wider loyalty-security programs—led to thousands of job losses.
• Specifically:
  • 2,000–5,000 federal employees were forced out of government jobs through Truman’s Loyalty Program(1947–1956).
    • These were often resignations under pressure, non-renewals, or dismissals for alleged “disloyalty,” not criminal convictions.
  • Private-sector blacklists (especially in Hollywood, publishing, academia, and unions) affected 10,000+ workers, according to multiple labor historians.

McCarthy’s personal role​

McCarthy himself chaired hearings from 1950 to 1954. His direct actions contributed to:

• Hundreds of federal employees being suspended, reassigned, or pressured to resign.
• Nearly all of the State Department employees he accused were ultimately cleared legally, but many still lost their careers due to public accusation.

While McCarthy wasn’t responsible for every firing of the era (the FBI, HUAC in the House, and loyalty boards were separate), his hearings intensified and expanded the purges.

Hollywood and private-sector blacklists​

McCarthy was not in charge of HUAC’s Hollywood investigations, but the broader Red Scare culture he fueled led to:

• Over 300 screenwriters, directors, and actors being officially blacklisted.
• Thousands more quietly denied work.

Summary​

Most historians estimate that McCarthy-era anti-communist investigations caused tens of thousands of Americans to lose their jobs, with McCarthy personally responsible for only a portion but serving as the most famous driver of the purge climate.

How stupid must one be to accept the lie, post this.....
"“ There were hundreds if not thousands of people who lost jobs, careers, even families based on McCarty's (sic) over reach and list he compiled and interrogated. Innocent people.”


....yet not be able to name one single innocent America ruined by the American hero Senator Jos McCarthy.



I guess you're as stupid as they come.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Communist Party USA (CPUSA) has significantly fewer members today than it did in 1950. The party currently claims approximately 20,000 members (as of 2024), while in the period leading up to and including 1950, its membership was substantially higher, peaking at over 75,000 members in 1947.

It has far more.......today it is camouflaged as the Democrat Party.

Which party do you vote for?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Mccarthy violated no ones rights

There was no intimidation or fear in that generation.

People who lived through that time have to watch some bullshit documentary to realize they were " silenced "

1. Senator Joe McCarthy confronted government officials concealing communist involvement and excessively lax security with regards to Communists in sensitive U.S. Government posts. In many cases he was on target, with over 81 of the names he gave the Tydings committee resulting in resignations or movement of security risks. Given that over 200 of the spies uncovered in the Venona decrypts were never identified, we can only speculate as to the national security impact of removing Communists from key DoD and State Dept posts. Arthur Herman, author of "Joseph McCarthy: Reexamining the Life and Legacy of America's Most Hated Senator," says that the accuracy of McCarthy's charges "was no longer a matter of debate," that they are "now accepted as fact." And The New York Post's Eric Fettmann has noted: "growing historical evidence underscores that, whatever his rhetorical and investigative excesses - and they were substantial - McCarthy was a lot closer to the truth about Communism than were his foes."

2. Whittaker Chambers wrote in his book WITNESS that liberals are/were incapable of ever effectively fighting Communism because they did not see anything in Communism that was antithetical to their own beliefs. In short, Liberals are Communists and Communists are Liberals. The revisionist is aware of the horrors of Communism; the tortures, the Gulags, the over 100 million persons done to death. She is even aware that the American Communists were taking their orders from Moscow and were attempting to impose the Red Utopia upon the United States. If successful, this would have led to millions tortured, enslaved, starved and murdered. It would have led to the death of human freedom for untold years. As the US was the bulwarked of freedom and Democracy, it's communization would have turned the entire world into an abatoir.



3. 'The Venona papers, together with these archives, made it absolutely clear that the American Communist Party was from its beginning the willing agent of Soviet intelligence, obedient to its orders, financed by its contributions, and serving not only as a propaganda organ for Soviet policies but as a generous source for the recruitment of agents who would thereupon influence American policy and gladly commit espionage as well. It is now plain that by 1945 every important branch of the American government, from the White House itself to the State Department, the Defense Department, the Justice Department, the Treasury Department, the Office of Strategic Services (predecessor to the CIA), and the Office of War Information, to name only a few, was infested with Communists busily doing the work of the Soviet Union.

Moreover, it is obvious that a penetration so complete would have been impossible if the Communists had not been able to depend on the blindness or indifference of many of the far larger number of ordinary liberals who dominated the Roosevelt Administration. As early as the late 1930s, even known Communists in government were often regarded by their colleagues as merely "liberals in a hurry." And during the war, of course, they could be excused as simply enthusiasts for America's doughty ally, "good old Joe."
The Claremont Institute - A Closer Look Under The Bed

 

[PoliticalChic]

provide documentation.

Right after you provide documentation of the thousands of innocent Americans ruined by the hero, Jos. McCarthy

 

[PoliticalChic]

Where do you people come from?
There are still people saying Hitler did not hurt anyone.
Crazy people everywhere.

Watch how easily I eviscerate you with two simple questions:

1. Did you write this?
“ There were hundreds if not thousands of people who lost jobs, careers, even families based on McCarty's (sic) over reach and list he compiled and interrogated. Innocent people.”

And you did.


2. Why can't you find single innocent American whose life was so ruined?


You're simply a moron who accepts anything his Democrat masters tell him to.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I don't agree with Trump on that either. I also don't agree with the draconian stance Republicans have on drugs. Keeping certain drugs illegal is causing deaths because illegal drugs cannot be regulated as to their potency and content. People are uneducated as to 'illegal' drugs so they are clueless what they do. I did not mean to get off on a tangent but I agree, republicans (conservatives) can disagree without losing sight of their main principles. Democrats have no principles because they always change them to suit political winds.

Such as? That sounds more like an excuse than a real concern. I would like to know your thoughts in more detail.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Such as? That sounds more like an excuse than a real concern. I would like to know your thoughts in more detail.

I wish everyone would wrote posts like that encouraging dialogue.

 

[DGS49]

Was this thread about H1B visas?

I just thot I'd add that employers must demonstrate to INS that NO CITIZEN or green card holder is available to fill the job. That does not mean that no American in the entire country could do it, but in the market area.

I suspect that the Trump Administration is being more diligent about this requirement than Biden was.

I have no problem with it. I'm a MAGA Republican, former member of the Great Right-Wing Conspiracy.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Provide documentation.

Revolutionary Communists of America - Revolutionary Communists of America

The Revolutionary Communists of America is a new political party for the communist generation in the USA. If you're a communist committed to the overthrow of capitalism in our lifetime, this is your party.

communistusa.org

Home Page - Party for Socialism and Liberation

Liberation News PSL on Twitter

pslweb.org

 

[Soupnazi630]

Where do you people come from?
There are still people saying Hitler did not hurt anyone.
Crazy people everywhere.

False equivelancy

I stated facts

There was no such culture of fear around mccarthy and you can name no one that he harmed

 

[ElmerMudd]

How stupid must one be to accept the lie, post this.....
"“ There were hundreds if not thousands of people who lost jobs, careers, even families based on McCarty's (sic) over reach and list he compiled and interrogated. Innocent people.”


....yet not be able to name one single innocent America ruined by the American hero Senator Jos McCarthy.



I guess you're as stupid as they come.

You don't think an aggregation of hundreds of opinions and databases from a diverse group of sources not a good source.
What do you consider a good source. I hope it is not one or two opinions.

 

[ElmerMudd]

1. Senator Joe McCarthy confronted government officials concealing communist involvement and excessively lax security with regards to Communists in sensitive U.S. Government posts. In many cases he was on target, with over 81 of the names he gave the Tydings committee resulting in resignations or movement of security risks. Given that over 200 of the spies uncovered in the Venona decrypts were never identified, we can only speculate as to the national security impact of removing Communists from key DoD and State Dept posts. Arthur Herman, author of "Joseph McCarthy: Reexamining the Life and Legacy of America's Most Hated Senator," says that the accuracy of McCarthy's charges "was no longer a matter of debate," that they are "now accepted as fact." And The New York Post's Eric Fettmann has noted: "growing historical evidence underscores that, whatever his rhetorical and investigative excesses - and they were substantial - McCarthy was a lot closer to the truth about Communism than were his foes."

2. Whittaker Chambers wrote in his book WITNESS that liberals are/were incapable of ever effectively fighting Communism because they did not see anything in Communism that was antithetical to their own beliefs. In short, Liberals are Communists and Communists are Liberals. The revisionist is aware of the horrors of Communism; the tortures, the Gulags, the over 100 million persons done to death. She is even aware that the American Communists were taking their orders from Moscow and were attempting to impose the Red Utopia upon the United States. If successful, this would have led to millions tortured, enslaved, starved and murdered. It would have led to the death of human freedom for untold years. As the US was the bulwarked of freedom and Democracy, it's communization would have turned the entire world into an abatoir.



3. 'The Venona papers, together with these archives, made it absolutely clear that the American Communist Party was from its beginning the willing agent of Soviet intelligence, obedient to its orders, financed by its contributions, and serving not only as a propaganda organ for Soviet policies but as a generous source for the recruitment of agents who would thereupon influence American policy and gladly commit espionage as well. It is now plain that by 1945 every important branch of the American government, from the White House itself to the State Department, the Defense Department, the Justice Department, the Treasury Department, the Office of Strategic Services (predecessor to the CIA), and the Office of War Information, to name only a few, was infested with Communists busily doing the work of the Soviet Union.

Moreover, it is obvious that a penetration so complete would have been impossible if the Communists had not been able to depend on the blindness or indifference of many of the far larger number of ordinary liberals who dominated the Roosevelt Administration. As early as the late 1930s, even known Communists in government were often regarded by their colleagues as merely "liberals in a hurry." And during the war, of course, they could be excused as simply enthusiasts for America's doughty ally, "good old Joe."
The Claremont Institute - A Closer Look Under The Bed

I went to the Claremont Institute - A closer look under the bed, and found

"Reds" and "McCarthyism" in the 20th century refer to the intense anti-communist sentiment and political repression that occurred in the United States, particularly after World War II. Characterized by investigations, blacklists, and widespread fear, McCarthyism involved Senator Joseph McCarthy's public accusations of communist infiltration in government and other institutions, even though many claims were unsubstantiated. This era was a continuation of earlier anti-communist movements, fueled by the Cold War and events like the Russian Revolution.

Origins and early history

• Early Red Scare: The first "Red Scare" began after the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution and the First Red Scare (1919–1920) involved a period of anti-radical and anti-immigrant hysteria, fueled by anarchist bombings and leading to political repression.
• Involvement in the Russian Revolution: The U.S. invasion of Russia in 1918 and later diplomatic recognition of the Soviet Union in 1933 are seen as early triggers for conflict and espionage concerns.
• Subversion and espionage: Soviet espionage networks began operating in the U.S. in the 1920s, with an increase in activity after diplomatic recognition in 1933.

The McCarthy era

• Senator Joseph McCarthy: Became a prominent figure in the 1950s after claiming to have a list of 205 communists working in the U.S. State Department, although no such list was ever produced and the numbers were false.
• "Red-baiting": McCarthyism is known for publicizing unsubstantiated accusations to create a climate of fear, leading to the public shaming of individuals and careers being ruined based on suspicion alone.
• Investigations: McCarthy's subcommittee and others, such as the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), conducted numerous investigations into alleged communist activities in government, Hollywood, and other sectors.

Impact and legacy

• Blacklists: The fear of communism led to blacklisting, which barred many suspected individuals from working in Hollywood, government, and other industries.
• Suppression of dissent: The era led to a chilling effect on free speech and association, as people became afraid to express dissenting political views.
• Widespread fear: The climate of suspicion and paranoia extended beyond the government to affect ordinary citizens, with people being investigated for their political opinions or associations.
• End of the era: McCarthyism gradually lost public support by the mid-1950s and eventually faded out due to its excesses and lack of concrete evidence.
• Cultural relevance: The period's legacy continues to be debated, with some historians arguing that the fear of communism was a legitimate threat, while others point to its use as a political tool to suppress dissent.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Watch how easily I eviscerate you with two simple questions:

1. Did you write this?
“ There were hundreds if not thousands of people who lost jobs, careers, even families based on McCarty's (sic) over reach and list he compiled and interrogated. Innocent people.”

And you did.


2. Why can't you find single innocent American whose life was so ruined?


You're simply a moron who accepts anything his Democrat masters tell him to.

4. What is the scholarly consensus today?​

Across left, center, and conservative historians:

What they agree McCarthy got wrong:​

• His numbers were fabricated.
• His evidence was thin or nonexistent.
• He conflated Communists, former Communists, liberals, and critics.
• His tactics were abusive and damaging to rule of law.
• He harmed many innocent individuals and institutions.

What they acknowledge was true:​

• Communism was a real geopolitical threat in the Cold War.
• Soviet espionage existed in the U.S. government.
• But McCarthy did not accurately identify the actual spies, and his methods made it harder for professionals to do so.

The academic consensus is that McCarthy exploited fear for political gain, and his claims, as he stated them, were largely incorrect.