What's Wrong With Liberalism?

[NYcarbineer]

What's Wrong With Liberalism?

If nothing else, its creation and support of the welfare state, where people are forced to provide goods and services to others w/o compensation, is, inarguably, involuntary servitude.

Who supports having a country where no taxes can be levied, for anything? You?

 

[M14 Shooter]

What's Wrong With Liberalism?

If nothing else, its creation and support of the welfare state, where people are forced to provide goods and services to others w/o compensation, is, inarguably, involuntary servitude.

Who supports having a country where no taxes can be levied, for anything? You?

I accept your red herring as a concession of the point.
You are thusly dismissed.

 

[Redfish]

So you can't be a Marxist unless you hold political office?

lol, that is the most retarded duck and dodge I've heard in a long time.

since thats not what I said, your comment is of no value. Are you claiming that the catholic church is marxist? are you claiming that marx was a catholic?

You claimed that the Pope has no political views. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

I said that his views come from religion, not politics. Can you show where he ever campaigned for any political candidate or party?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Why must you choose Sunday to embarrass yourself thusly?


Aren't the other six days enough time for you to identify yourself as a dunce?


Bet you don't even know that John Dewy lobbied the Socialists to change their name to 'Liberal' due to the terrible defeat that Woodrow Willson's successor received.


And why does it fall to moi to educate fools like you???


Well....OK:

"How Socialist John Dewey Switched Labels
[Socialists] knew that liberalism had a good reputation with the working classes — the very audience which they were targeting. The idea was to adopt the name liberal to describe socialism. Socialism, as socialism, was harder to sell. But by taking a name they did not deserve they felt they could make political gains on the backs of classical liberalism. And they did.

[Classical] liberal describes individuals supporting free markets, private property, profit management and limited governments. o-called “liberals” support socialism, state ownership, bureaucratic management and statism. Ending the Liberal Confusion, by Jim Peron

Did I forget to mention that We the People support your right to post ignorant rants, PoliticalSpice.

OK, so you cannot refute anything she said, but you can hurl insults-------------typical dem/lib.

aren't you guys about due for a Palin attack thread?

It's straight out of Alinsky, it's Alinsky #5 (Ridicule) with a side of schmear

 

[M14 Shooter]

Did I forget to mention that We the People support your right to post ignorant rants, PoliticalSpice.

OK, so you cannot refute anything she said, but you can hurl insults-------------typical dem/lib.

aren't you guys about due for a Palin attack thread?

It's straight out of Alinsky, it's Alinsky #5 (Ridicule) with a side of schmear

Hi Frank! How's the Jaegering?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Show me one measure of American liberal public opinion that supports the above.

A nutty editorial is not evidence.

You asked for "one measure of American liberal public opinion".
You got it.
Realizing this, you then moved the goalposts:

Show me one reliable measure of liberal public opinion that supports...

Eat it and smile.

I sometimes forget I'm not dealing with literate sensible adults when I'm talking to the rightwing inmates here at USMB.

An unreliable source is not evidence. I asked for evidence. I was provided an unreliable source, which apparently the poster was too stupid to know that an unreliable source is not evidence.

 

[Redfish]

A nutty editorial is not evidence.

Show me one reliable measure of liberal public opinion that supports your looney claim that liberals want to totally disarm America.

Once you concede your claim was idiocy, we can move on to the next.

Liberals: Explain how disarming law-abiding citizens will stop criminals? - Yahoo Answers

I know without even opening that that there is no credible evidence within that proving that most Liberals want to totally disarm America.

Stop insulting our intelligence.

did you read the cite? afraid it might prove you wrong?

BTW, most is not all. some libs retain a modicum of intelligence, and some libs are gun owners--------Senator Boxer has a CC permit.

 

[Katzndogz]

At its heart, liberalism is totalitarianism. It can be nothing else.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Did I forget to mention that We the People support your right to post ignorant rants, PoliticalSpice.

OK, so you cannot refute anything she said, but you can hurl insults-------------typical dem/lib.

aren't you guys about due for a Palin attack thread?

It's straight out of Alinsky, it's Alinsky #5 (Ridicule) with a side of schmear

So what you're saying is, every post from PoliticalChic that contains ridicule is straight out of Alinsky.

Tell her that, fatso.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Liberals: Explain how disarming law-abiding citizens will stop criminals? - Yahoo Answers

I know without even opening that that there is no credible evidence within that proving that most Liberals want to totally disarm America.

Stop insulting our intelligence.

did you read the cite? afraid it might prove you wrong?

BTW, most is not all. some libs retain a modicum of intelligence, and some libs are gun owners--------Senator Boxer has a CC permit.

I read it now. It was even dumber than I thought it would be. There isn't even one identifiable liberal on there who calls for the total disarmament of America.

Such as unilaterally getting rid of all of our nuclear weapons.

You're getting more stupid every day. It's very entertaining.

 

[PoliticalChic]

If you want to argue against Liberalism, argue against what liberals actually believe, support, and advocate for;

don't construct a Marxist strawman, stick a 'Liberal' nametag on him, and then argue against that.

If you want to argue with Marxists, go argue with Marxists.

"If you want to argue against Liberalism, argue against what liberals actually believe, support, and advocate for....."

Okey doke....






Here are some of the issues Liberals actually believe, support, and advocate for.....


1. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

2. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces.

3. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.




4. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

5. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

6. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.




7. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

8. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."




9. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

a. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."





10. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

11. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man." Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

12. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

13. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.


Now....wouldn't an honest appraisal ....I understand how that omits your input.....agree that all or almost all are clearly the aims and desires of Democrats/Liberals/Progressive leaders?


I mean, seriously......


QED?






Oh...wait.....did I say Democrats/Liberals/Progressives????
Silly me....I got 'em from a website of declared communist goals...
The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals






'don't construct a Marxist strawman, stick a 'Liberal' nametag on him, and then argue against that.'

You must be looking for the Department of Redundancy Department.

I always enjoy it when an attempt to refute something I said results in a total vindication of what I said.

Merely because you don't admit it.....especially with your track record on honesty.....has no bearing on the truth of my post.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Show me one measure of American liberal public opinion that supports the above.

So....we're stipulating that all of the rest of the list are correct?

Good start.



Now for this one:

"NORTH: The Obama administration plan to disarm America
Nuclear plan is reckless lunacy
Americans following this year’s presidential campaign would never know it from mainstream media coverage, but the commander in chief we hired nearly four years ago has set the United States on a course for unilateral disarmament."

Read more: NORTH: The Obama administration plan to disarm America - Washington Times
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A nutty editorial is not evidence.

Show me one reliable measure of liberal public opinion that supports your looney claim that liberals want to totally disarm America.

Once you concede your claim was idiocy, we can move on to the next.

"Show me one reliable measure of liberal public opinion....blah, blah, blah...."

"President Obama won a second term tonight as ABC News projects he will be re-elected and he promised his thrilled supporters "that for the United States of America the best is yet to come."
President Obama Wins Re-Election and Promises 'Best Is Yet to Come' - ABC News

 

[Redfish]

"If you want to argue against Liberalism, argue against what liberals actually believe, support, and advocate for....."

Okey doke....






Here are some of the issues Liberals actually believe, support, and advocate for.....


1. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

2. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces.

3. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.




4. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

5. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

6. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.




7. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

8. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."




9. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

a. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."





10. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

11. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man." Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

12. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

13. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.


Now....wouldn't an honest appraisal ....I understand how that omits your input.....agree that all or almost all are clearly the aims and desires of Democrats/Liberals/Progressive leaders?


I mean, seriously......


QED?






Oh...wait.....did I say Democrats/Liberals/Progressives????
Silly me....I got 'em from a website of declared communist goals...
The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals






'don't construct a Marxist strawman, stick a 'Liberal' nametag on him, and then argue against that.'

You must be looking for the Department of Redundancy Department.

I always enjoy it when an attempt to refute something I said results in a total vindication of what I said.

Merely because you don't admit it.....especially with your track record on honesty.....has no bearing on the truth of my post.

Aw, ya beat me to it. your comment also applies to his post #50.

 

[PoliticalChic]

more accurately, obama is a marxist collectivist.

And a card carrying narcissist.

-Geaux

A tribute to the President...and one of my fav pieces: Ethelbert Nevin's 'Narcissus"


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNm-IhQ_h08]Ethelbert Nevin: Water Scenes Op. 13 No. 4 - Narcissus - YouTube[/ame]

 

[PoliticalChic]

Plain and simple- Liberalism is a disease. Just something wrong between the ears

-Geaux

I think that their electrical wirer's aren't connected right and they had to be rerouted.
That's why they are unable to think logically.

Great minds think alike....Coulter said basically what you just posted:

'Let me give you a little tip: if you want liberalism to continue in this country, you have to realize that liberal students are being let down by their professors! They have liberal school teachers, and read the liberal press! Because of this weak preparation, they are unable to argue, to think beyond the first knee-jerk impulse. They can’t put together a logical thought. Now, compare that to a college Republican…'

 

[Mad_Cabbie]

What liberals believe, support, and advocate for is never what they achieve. Liberalism is a utopian dream world that some people never escape from.

Good lord, so you are saying that there are NO REPUBLICANS on the dole? That they would be "closet liberals" or that no welfare folks vote republican? Give me a break - I've been all over this country and poor people in every state vote either way.

Dems in the inner city vote democrat and poor people in the sticks vote republican. You cannot in good conscience blame all fiscal woe's on "Liberalism."

Time for republicans to have a little bit of accountability and intellectual honesty.

Suits me. I'm a Republican. Here's some honesty fer ya....

[ame=http://youtu.be/z0PUUpa5X4E]Barack Obama "I Believe in Redistribution of Wealth" Comment Loyola University 1998! - YouTube[/ame]​

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[ame=http://youtu.be/TB1dG1Bg1xM]Longer Version: Obama Calls Wealth Distribution 'Neighborly' - YouTube[/ame]​

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Income redistribution is not very neighborly, imho.
​

No, honesty would be admitting that your party does this too.

 

[M14 Shooter]

No, honesty would be admitting that your party does this too.

There are a good number of liberals in the GOP - everyone knows this.
How does this address the point in any meaningful way?

 

[PoliticalChic]

The funny thing is that everyone has some liberalism in them; it probably explains why conservatives are usually so hateful, they have this internal conflict of inbred hypo-criticism.

Let's begin by correcting this aspect of your lacunae....

....the entire compendium of same is beyond the time and scope of the post.


Classical liberalism: individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.


And, here, a bonus tidbit for you. "explains why conservatives are usually so hateful,..."

It was Liberal/Progressive/Democrats who formed the KKK, instituted eugenics, and locked up innocent Japanese Americans.
That seems pretty hateful a history......


Please take notes so you don't make the same mistake again.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What's Wrong With Liberalism?

If nothing else, its creation and support of the welfare state, where people are forced to provide goods and services to others w/o compensation, is, inarguably, involuntary servitude.

Who supports having a country where no taxes can be levied, for anything? You?

Do you know the history of taxation?

Of course not.

Do you understand the difference between apportioned taxation, e.g., what the Constitution called for, and direct taxation?

Of course not.



OK.....try this: for conservatives, taxation is to pay for the legitimate functions of government, any excess to be returned via tax cuts.

For Liberals, taxes are a punishment for success.

 

[regent]

''For the framers of the Constitution were the most liberal thinkers of all the ages and the charter they produced out of the liberal revolution of their time has never been and is not now surpassed in liberal thought."

General Douglas MacArthur