What's the Libertarian view on ?

[Michelle420]

animal cruelty, burn , torture or maim an animal

child porn, any sexual or physical violent acts on a child

religious freedom olygamy, prayer over medicine, drugs as part of a religious enlightenment ritual

segregation

discrimination

Do libertarians believe it should all be legal?

Are there any social boundaries that Libertarians advocate if so what are they?

 

[boedicca]

Libertarians are not Morality-free Anarchists, bub.

 

[AmyNation]

No one (whos not a pedophile) thinks child porn should be legal.

 

[Michelle420]

Libertarians are not Morality-free Anarchists, bub.

Are you a Libertarian?

 

[Michelle420]

No one thinks child porn should be legal.

Libertarian Presidential Front-Runner Defends Child Porn

Libertarian Presidential Front-Runner Defends Child Porn | ThePolitic.com

 

[chikenwing]

animal cruelty, burn , torture or maim an animal

child porn, any sexual or physical violent acts on a child

religious freedom olygamy, prayer over medicine, drugs as part of a religious enlightenment ritual

segregation

discrimination

Do libertarians believe it should all be legal?

Are there any social boundaries that Libertarians advocate if so what are they?

What makes you think a rational libertarian would support violence? ,religious freedom ,polygamy ,what ever blows you skirt up ,that up to you your life. Who am I to say,but no violence.

 

[AmyNation]

No one thinks child porn should be legal.

Libertarian Presidential Front-Runner Defends Child Porn

Libertarian Presidential Front-Runner Defends Child Porn | ThePolitic.com

Wow.

 

[dblack]

It might be surprising to discover, but libertarian philosophy is not monolithic and doesn't address every single issue with solid consensus (abortion is a prime example). These issues are difficult and libertarians struggle with them just as anyone else does. Though, obviously, we're less likely to enlist state coercion for solutions.

That said, I'd like to offer my own views - and try to indicate whether there is any general consensus in libertarian circles.

animal cruelty, burn , torture or maim an animal

I don't like seeing animals suffer. I don't like allowing them to suffer. The question here is to what extent does the government's responsibility to protect the rights of humans transfer to animals. From that perspective, I have to answer is 'very little'.

child porn, any sexual or physical violent acts on a child

Any act of coercion against a child (short of sane discipline in the act of parenting) is wrong and perpetrators should be prosecuted. That covers sexual exploitation and physical violence. I'm assuming here that children cannot give 'consent' for anything an adult 'suggests', so I don't buy into the idea that children can offer sex voluntarily. I think this jibes pretty well with what most libertarians would say.

Child porn is a slightly different issue. Certainly, as children cannot understand the implications of sexual display, they cannot give full consent to producing pornography. So the logic above would apply in most cases. But, with digital advances, it doesn't necessarily take a real child to produce 'child porn'. Not sure what to make of that just yet.

religious freedom olygamy, prayer over medicine, drugs as part of a religious enlightenment ritual

No real debate here. As long as they don't harm anyone else, it's nobody's business but the people involved.

segregation

Under no circumstances should it be allowed as state policy. But we can't tell people who to associate with, nor should we try.

discrimination

See above

Are there any social boundaries that Libertarians advocate if so what are they?

Not sure what you mean by 'social boundaries'.

 

[Michelle420]

animal cruelty, burn , torture or maim an animal

child porn, any sexual or physical violent acts on a child

religious freedom olygamy, prayer over medicine, drugs as part of a religious enlightenment ritual

segregation

discrimination

Do libertarians believe it should all be legal?

Are there any social boundaries that Libertarians advocate if so what are they?

What makes you think a rational libertarian would support violence? ,religious freedom ,polygamy ,what ever blows you skirt up ,that up to you your life. Who am I to say,but no violence.

Well, I was talking to someone on the phone who tells me he is a Libertarian, some of his views seemed....."out there" and rather then having it escalate into a arguement, I decided to ask libertarians there views on such matters.

 

[PredFan]

animal cruelty, burn , torture or maim an animal

Against.

child porn, any sexual or physical violent acts on a child

Against.

religious freedom olygamy, prayer over medicine, drugs as part of a religious enlightenment ritual

For, for, for, for.

segregation

Depends.

discrimination

Depends.

Do libertarians believe it should all be legal?

No.

Are there any social boundaries that Libertarians advocate if so what are they?

Yes, as soon as you violate the rights of someone else.

 

[Michelle420]

animal cruelty, burn , torture or maim an animal

Against.

child porn, any sexual or physical violent acts on a child

Against.



For, for, for, for.



Depends.



Depends.

Do libertarians believe it should all be legal?

No.

Are there any social boundaries that Libertarians advocate if so what are they?

Yes, as soon as you violate the rights of someone else.

In what situations do you advocate discrimination and segregation?

Should religions be allowed to have arranged marriage for their children.

Polygamists allowed to marry young brides.

Children denied medicine or vaccinations because it is against their parents religious beliefs?

 

[dblack]

I realize this was addressed to PredFan, but these are interesting questions.

In what situations do you advocate discrimination and segregation?

I can't think of any offhand. Prejudice and bigotry are generally pretty ugly business. The question is whether it makes sense to make them illegal. I don't think it does. Government shouldn't be in the business of dictating who we associate with or why.

Should religions be allowed to have arranged marriage for their children.

Well, marriage is a contract, and my understanding is that pretty much all contract law is based on the idea that both parties have agreed to its terms voluntarily. So, no. Or, I suppose parents can arrange all they like, but once the child has the legal right to marry, they have the legal right to tell their parents to take a walk, and to disregard whatever arrangements were made on their behalf.

Polygamists allowed to marry young brides.

Children denied medicine or vaccinations because it is against their parents religious beliefs?

The rights of children, and how they relate to the rights of legal adults, is an interesting topic, both in the context of libertarian thinking and in the broader political world. But I don't think it reveals much about libertarian ideology - assuming that's your purpose. What we find frustrating is that so much current government policy treats adults as children, as though we are all incompetent and require a guiding hand.

 

[Michelle420]

I realize this was addressed to PredFan, but these are interesting questions.

In what situations do you advocate discrimination and segregation?

I can't think of any offhand. Prejudice and bigotry are generally pretty ugly business. The question is whether it makes sense to make them illegal. I don't think it does. Government shouldn't be in the business of dictating who we associate with or why.

Should religions be allowed to have arranged marriage for their children.

Well, marriage is a contract, and my understanding is that pretty much all contract law is based on the idea that both parties have agreed to its terms voluntarily. So, no. Or, I suppose parents can arrange all they like, but once the child has the legal right to marry, they have the legal right to tell their parents to take a walk, and to disregard whatever arrangements were made on their behalf.

Polygamists allowed to marry young brides.

Children denied medicine or vaccinations because it is against their parents religious beliefs?

The rights of children, and how they relate to the rights of legal adults, is an interesting topic, both in the context of libertarian thinking and in the broader political world. But I don't think it reveals much about libertarian ideology - assuming that's your purpose. What we find frustrating is that so much current government policy treats adults as children, as though we are all incompetent and require a guiding hand.

Thanks for your reply, anyone who is a libertarian is free to respond if they want to.

As stated previously, I had a conversation that was getting heated with a Libertarian friend and the questions posed are simply so I can put to rest what Libertarians actually support and what is just this guys "personal opinion" but not really in line with his Libertarian beliefs.

He has made "out there" remarks to me at times and mostly I have avoided really confronting him on it.

I thought it would be better to see where other libertarians stand before I assume his beliefs represent them all.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

animal cruelty, burn , torture or maim an animal

child porn, any sexual or physical violent acts on a child

religious freedom olygamy, prayer over medicine, drugs as part of a religious enlightenment ritual

segregation

discrimination

Do libertarians believe it should all be legal?

Are there any social boundaries that Libertarians advocate if so what are they?

Yes, libertarians believe in social boundaries. Those boundaries being defined by property rights. As for the rest, I'll simply second what dblack said.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

animal cruelty, burn , torture or maim an animal

Against.



Against.



For, for, for, for.



Depends.



Depends.



No.

Are there any social boundaries that Libertarians advocate if so what are they?

Yes, as soon as you violate the rights of someone else.

In what situations do you advocate discrimination and segregation?

Should religions be allowed to have arranged marriage for their children.

Polygamists allowed to marry young brides.

Children denied medicine or vaccinations because it is against their parents religious beliefs?

A libertarian doesn't necessarily advocate discrimination or segregation, though it should be pointed out that humans discriminate and segregate all of the time. Regardless, I assume you're merely talking about racial issues, and in that context a libertarian doesn't "advocate" discrimination or segregation, but merely does not respond to these issues with coercion. As I said before, it comes down to property rights. On your property a libertarian believes you can discriminate and segregate as you please, whether or not we agree with your doing so.

 

[dblack]

He has made "out there" remarks to me at times and mostly I have avoided really confronting him on it.

I thought it would be better to see where other libertarians stand before I assume his beliefs represent them all.

The unfortunate fact is that many people are drawn to libertarianism because of its more extreme implications. For some, it's fun to be an iconoclast and they delight in shocking people with offhand remarks about legalizing the various boogeymen of polite society. But we really need to grow out of that bad habit. Libertarians aren't libertines and when we advocate legalizing vices like drugs or prostitution it doesn't mean we are advocating the activities. We just see policies that attempt to prohibit them with law as more dangerous than the vices themselves.

 

[Michelle420]

He has made "out there" remarks to me at times and mostly I have avoided really confronting him on it.

I thought it would be better to see where other libertarians stand before I assume his beliefs represent them all.

The unfortunate fact is that many people are drawn to libertarianism because of its more extreme implications. For some, it's fun to be an iconoclast and they delight in shocking people with offhand remarks about legalizing the various boogeymen of polite society. But we really need to grow out of that bad habit. Libertarians aren't libertines and when we advocate legalizing vices like drugs or prostitution it doesn't mean we are advocating the activities. We just see policies that attempt to prohibit them with law as more dangerous than the vices themselves.

Sounds reasonable.

I am glad I asked before making assumptions.

 

[Michelle420]

Against.



Against.



For, for, for, for.



Depends.



Depends.



No.



Yes, as soon as you violate the rights of someone else.

In what situations do you advocate discrimination and segregation?

Should religions be allowed to have arranged marriage for their children.

Polygamists allowed to marry young brides.

Children denied medicine or vaccinations because it is against their parents religious beliefs?

A libertarian doesn't necessarily advocate discrimination or segregation, though it should be pointed out that humans discriminate and segregate all of the time. Regardless, I assume you're merely talking about racial issues, and in that context a libertarian doesn't "advocate" discrimination or segregation, but merely does not respond to these issues with coercion. As I said before, it comes down to property rights. On your property a libertarian believes you can discriminate and segregate as you please, whether or not we agree with your doing so.

I don't like that idea of segregation or discrimination being ok.

 

[g5000]

animal cruelty, burn , torture or maim an animal

child porn, any sexual or physical violent acts on a child

religious freedom olygamy, prayer over medicine, drugs as part of a religious enlightenment ritual

segregation

discrimination

Do libertarians believe it should all be legal?

Are there any social boundaries that Libertarians advocate if so what are they?

With the exceptional lowlife Libertarian political candidate noted earlier, Libertarians are opposed to any abuse of children of any nature. However, Libertarians strongly favor privacy freedoms which would give pedophiles a greater advantage than they have now. This is viewed as a cost of freedom.

Libertarians favor the legalization of all drugs. Not just marijuana, all drugs.

When it comes to polygamy, Libertarians don't believe government should be involved in marriage in any way, shape, or form. Therefore, if you get married, no tax breaks for you, no Social Security survivor benefits (especially since they don't believe in Social Security either), no special privileges, cash, or prizes. So go right ahead and marry as many people as you like, of whatever gender you like, as long as they are consenting human adults.

Segregation? Libertarians are opposed to government providing education. So if someone wanted to start a Whites Only school that teaches the Earth is 6,000 years old and that negroes are mud people, Libertarians would not be opposed. Separatism is just another cost of freedom.

Discrimination? Libertarians believe if a restaurant owner does not want negroes or homos at his lunch counter, that should be his business and not the government's. Libertarians believe if real estate developers and real estate salesmen do not want negroes living in certain parts of town, that should be their business and not the government's.

Hope that helps.

 

[WorldWatcher]

In what situations do you advocate discrimination and segregation?

Should religions be allowed to have arranged marriage for their children.

Polygamists allowed to marry young brides.

Children denied medicine or vaccinations because it is against their parents religious beliefs?

A libertarian doesn't necessarily advocate discrimination or segregation, though it should be pointed out that humans discriminate and segregate all of the time. Regardless, I assume you're merely talking about racial issues, and in that context a libertarian doesn't "advocate" discrimination or segregation, but merely does not respond to these issues with coercion. As I said before, it comes down to property rights. On your property a libertarian believes you can discriminate and segregate as you please, whether or not we agree with your doing so.

I don't like that idea of segregation or discrimination being ok.

Whether segregation or discrimination is "ok" isn't the right question. The question more accurately is "Is it the function of government to mandate how a private entity uses or administers their private property?" Recognizing the legal rights of individuals is very different then approving of discrimination.

I can think that a Deli owner who refuses service to a black person is a complete asshole (in other words discrimination is not "OK"), but recognize that as the owner of a private enterprise he should have the right to refuse service as he see's fit.



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