What's next after this 2 trillion dollar pork bill, how about 3 trillion more?

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"You people" this and "you people" that is always the response from "you people".
"You people" always inflate the numbers. Of course, I don't want certain items in the package, get it?
No, I don't. Do you support this 2 trillion bill or do you not?
I have mixed feelings. However, I believe in the covid part of it and anything that will aid the middle class, underclass, and small business. So yes.
You just need to remember, that everything that you say "will aid the middle class, under class, and small buisness"... is going to come from those people. The middle class will have to pay higher taxes. The under class will have to pay higher taxes. Small business will have to pay higher taxes.

Everyone that will benefit from this.... will also be harmed by it.

There is no free lunch. The bill has to be paid, and don't believe the mythology that "the rich will pay it"... no they won't. You will. Your kids will. Their kids will.

Not going to be the rich paying this bill. Never worked in all human history, and won't work today.
Everybody making over $400000 will get an increase and the super-wealthy will lose that huge tax reduction that Trump gave them. It will be our grandchildren
who will bear the brunt. The money for the covid is necessary no matter what.
They'll just hide their wealth like they did before.

Warren Buffet has a total salary of $100,000 a year. He's not going to pay it.
Mark Zuckerberg has a salary of $1. He's not going to pay it.
No one is.
No one.

Yeah, it will be your grand children that are going to pay half their income to fund this nonsense.

And no, it's not necessary. You are entitled to your opinion, that's fine. And we'll disagree.

But spare me this "the wealthy will lose their tax cut". The amount of money the rich paid, went up with the tax cut. It will go back down with the hike.

They are not going to pay it.
Their companies pay it, not them if they are set up the way you think. Their companies make the big bucks and pay the big tax. They take a small salary and have plenty in the bank. Normal stuff.
So you don't want to do anything with the ordinary income tax, you want to raise the corp tax rate? Because you seem to be talking about two different things. Trump's ordinary income tax cuts for all Americans, and then having companies pay taxes....

Just fyi, the companies won't pay it either....they simply will raise the price of their products or services, so the customers will pay it.

Expect higher cost for food, milk, bread, internet, cars, clothes, houses etc.....thanks for hurting the middle class
According to Biden, only those making $400000+ will lose that ridiculous tax reduction that Trump gave them. The tax cuts were invested in the stock market and not in our economy. We will get higher prices because of trade wars,
and that was a gimme. Companies simply do not raise prices because they may not be competitive. FYI
So again are you talking about the ordinary income tax, or corp taxes? Also, investing in the market....IS investing in our economy!

Yes, if you raise the corp tax rate, our businesses won't be able to be competitive with foreign businesses...I agree...further hurting the American economy.
No, investing in the stock market is NOT investing in the economy. Biden is removing that silly tax reduction from the super-wealthy because all it did was to drive up the stock market, and nothing else. Read a book
 

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Trump had his fat little hands in Biden's son. Believe it, with Julie flapping away)
You obviously don't know, do you? I have already listed Biden's long list of accomplishments during his Senate years. He has plenty to show for it.
Trump wasn't qualified when he ran the first time, and he is still not qualified.
He fucks up almost everything he touches in one way or another. He knows 0 about diplomacy, among other things. Trump played 300 days of golf. He worshipped Fox News (fake news), Specifically Hannity, Tuckie, and Lewie. all day long. He has no idea how to govern and takes no advice from anyone.
Ronald Regan knew what he didn't know and brought into his cabinet the sharpest, most experienced minds to tell him what he needed to hear and not what he wanted to hear.
And Biden is selecting unqualified people as well, plus the twist most of his selections are based on gender and race--not the best he could get.

Trump was the best President we've had since Reagan with many accomplishments. You refuse to recognize them based on your personal opinion of him. If Trump had anything to do with Hunter's FBI investigation, please post a reliable source for it. If Trump were President today, we'd still be paying $2.10 a gallon for gasoline rather than the $2.70 we are paying today, and zero threat of the Democrats stopping us from buying firearms and ammo in the future.

I don't know if the FBI interviewed Tony Bobolinski, but Tucker Carlson did. You should dig up that interview to see what he had to say that reinforced the investigation by the FBI. Not only was Tony a diehard Democrat, but also a military vet, successful businessman, and a former partner in the Biden scam.
Biden has selected highly qualified people who were not brought in because they voted for him, and gender and race are well represented as they should be and are as qualified as any. Biden does not make decisions based on his "gut". He knows what he doesn't know. Trump thought he knew everything, and said so. He brought in mostly white men, most of them hardly the best he could get. They kept their positions by telling Trump what he wanted to hear, instead of what he needed to hear. As soon the experts began to tell him what he needed to hear, they were gone. Trump's "accomplishments" have or will have unintended consequences. Trump is a grifter and easily fools people with his gift of gab.
I remember Trump, Rudy, the phone calls to Ukraine, Rudy's time in Ukraine, the Congressional hearings, those two and their seedy comments about Biden and his son, and now the follow-up.
Who has he brought in to his Cabinet that didn't vote for him?

Yes, and we know...we are all aware that Biden isn't really leading this admin...but being told what to do and who to put into place etc....but he has certainly suggested in the past that he goes by what he's "gut" tells him:
You know nothing if you think that Biden isn't leading our nation. Leadership is as good as his team because NOBODY can do it alone. If the team does the job it is supposed to do, you look good. If the team is weak, as in Trump's case, you do not look good. Trump took advice from nobody, made a mess and we will realize the unintended consequences of his actions. Nobody is telling Biden what to do--that is the dumbest comment.
You have contradicted yourself over and over again here.

Trump created the best economy we have had in a generation, then the Chinese Virus hit....he followed the advice of the experts the entire time...at least according to the expert Fauci: Trump ‘Does Listen’ To Him And White House Coronavirus Advisors

"

Dr. Anthony Fauci said President Donald Trump does listen to him and scientists on the White House Coronavirus Task Force despite worries to the contrary among physicians, public health experts and the public at large."
 

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"You people" this and "you people" that is always the response from "you people".
"You people" always inflate the numbers. Of course, I don't want certain items in the package, get it?
No, I don't. Do you support this 2 trillion bill or do you not?
I have mixed feelings. However, I believe in the covid part of it and anything that will aid the middle class, underclass, and small business. So yes.
You just need to remember, that everything that you say "will aid the middle class, under class, and small buisness"... is going to come from those people. The middle class will have to pay higher taxes. The under class will have to pay higher taxes. Small business will have to pay higher taxes.

Everyone that will benefit from this.... will also be harmed by it.

There is no free lunch. The bill has to be paid, and don't believe the mythology that "the rich will pay it"... no they won't. You will. Your kids will. Their kids will.

Not going to be the rich paying this bill. Never worked in all human history, and won't work today.
Everybody making over $400000 will get an increase and the super-wealthy will lose that huge tax reduction that Trump gave them. It will be our grandchildren
who will bear the brunt. The money for the covid is necessary no matter what.
They'll just hide their wealth like they did before.

Warren Buffet has a total salary of $100,000 a year. He's not going to pay it.
Mark Zuckerberg has a salary of $1. He's not going to pay it.
No one is.
No one.

Yeah, it will be your grand children that are going to pay half their income to fund this nonsense.

And no, it's not necessary. You are entitled to your opinion, that's fine. And we'll disagree.

But spare me this "the wealthy will lose their tax cut". The amount of money the rich paid, went up with the tax cut. It will go back down with the hike.

They are not going to pay it.
Their companies pay it, not them if they are set up the way you think. Their companies make the big bucks and pay the big tax. They take a small salary and have plenty in the bank. Normal stuff.
So you don't want to do anything with the ordinary income tax, you want to raise the corp tax rate? Because you seem to be talking about two different things. Trump's ordinary income tax cuts for all Americans, and then having companies pay taxes....

Just fyi, the companies won't pay it either....they simply will raise the price of their products or services, so the customers will pay it.

Expect higher cost for food, milk, bread, internet, cars, clothes, houses etc.....thanks for hurting the middle class
According to Biden, only those making $400000+ will lose that ridiculous tax reduction that Trump gave them. The tax cuts were invested in the stock market and not in our economy. We will get higher prices because of trade wars,
and that was a gimme. Companies simply do not raise prices because they may not be competitive. FYI
So again are you talking about the ordinary income tax, or corp taxes? Also, investing in the market....IS investing in our economy!

Yes, if you raise the corp tax rate, our businesses won't be able to be competitive with foreign businesses...I agree...further hurting the American economy.
No, investing in the stock market is NOT investing in the economy. Biden is removing that silly tax reduction from the super-wealthy because all it did was to drive up the stock market, and nothing else. Read a book
Sure it is, businesses make up the stock market....when you invest in businesses on the market, you are investing in the economy....business are the economy.

Ok then why are you asking to raise the corp tax rate? why do you want to hurt the economy?
 

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Trump had his fat little hands in Biden's son. Believe it, with Julie flapping away)
You obviously don't know, do you? I have already listed Biden's long list of accomplishments during his Senate years. He has plenty to show for it.
Trump wasn't qualified when he ran the first time, and he is still not qualified.
He fucks up almost everything he touches in one way or another. He knows 0 about diplomacy, among other things. Trump played 300 days of golf. He worshipped Fox News (fake news), Specifically Hannity, Tuckie, and Lewie. all day long. He has no idea how to govern and takes no advice from anyone.
Ronald Regan knew what he didn't know and brought into his cabinet the sharpest, most experienced minds to tell him what he needed to hear and not what he wanted to hear.
And Biden is selecting unqualified people as well, plus the twist most of his selections are based on gender and race--not the best he could get.

Trump was the best President we've had since Reagan with many accomplishments. You refuse to recognize them based on your personal opinion of him. If Trump had anything to do with Hunter's FBI investigation, please post a reliable source for it. If Trump were President today, we'd still be paying $2.10 a gallon for gasoline rather than the $2.70 we are paying today, and zero threat of the Democrats stopping us from buying firearms and ammo in the future.

I don't know if the FBI interviewed Tony Bobolinski, but Tucker Carlson did. You should dig up that interview to see what he had to say that reinforced the investigation by the FBI. Not only was Tony a diehard Democrat, but also a military vet, successful businessman, and a former partner in the Biden scam.
Biden has selected highly qualified people who were not brought in because they voted for him, and gender and race are well represented as they should be and are as qualified as any. Biden does not make decisions based on his "gut". He knows what he doesn't know. Trump thought he knew everything, and said so. He brought in mostly white men, most of them hardly the best he could get. They kept their positions by telling Trump what he wanted to hear, instead of what he needed to hear. As soon the experts began to tell him what he needed to hear, they were gone. Trump's "accomplishments" have or will have unintended consequences. Trump is a grifter and easily fools people with his gift of gab.
I remember Trump, Rudy, the phone calls to Ukraine, Rudy's time in Ukraine, the Congressional hearings, those two and their seedy comments about Biden and his son, and now the follow-up.
Who has he brought in to his Cabinet that didn't vote for him?

Yes, and we know...we are all aware that Biden isn't really leading this admin...but being told what to do and who to put into place etc....but he has certainly suggested in the past that he goes by what he's "gut" tells him:
You know nothing if you think that Biden isn't leading our nation. Leadership is as good as his team because NOBODY can do it alone. If the team does the job it is supposed to do, you look good. If the team is weak, as in Trump's case, you do not look good. Trump took advice from nobody, made a mess and we will realize the unintended consequences of his actions. Nobody is telling Biden what to do--that is the dumbest comment.
You have contradicted yourself over and over again here.
How so?

Trump created the best economy we have had in a generation, then the Chinese Virus hit....he followed the advice of the experts the entire time...at least according to the expert Fauci: Trump ‘Does Listen’ To Him And White House Coronavirus Advisors

"

Dr. Anthony Fauci said President Donald Trump does listen to him and scientists on the White House Coronavirus Task Force despite worries to the contrary among physicians, public health experts and the public at large."

Dr. Anthony Fauci unleashes on White House coronavirus ...



www.cnn.com › 2020/11/01 › politics › donald-trump-an...

Nov 1, 2020 — The nation's top infectious disease specialist, Dr. Anthony Fauci, has long been restrained as President Donald Trump and the White House ...

Trump Renews Criticism of Dr. Anthony Fauci - WSJ



www.wsj.com › articles › trump-renews-criticism-of-dr-an...

Oct 13, 2020 — President Trump again took aim at his administration's top infectious-disease expert, Anthony Fauci, after the doctor said a Trump campaign ad ...
'nuff said about Trump and Fauci. Trump listened to nobody, except his"gut".
 
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According to Biden, only those making $400000+ will lose that ridiculous tax reduction that Trump gave them. The tax cuts were invested in the stock market and not in our economy. We will get higher prices because of trade wars,
and that was a gimme. Companies simply do not raise prices because they may not be competitive. FYI
So you increase taxes on the rich guy. He takes a bigger check from his company as pay to bring home the same amount of net pay. He passes the loss to the company on his customers. The one thing you people never learn is that the big guy never takes the hit. They always pass their losses to the little guy.
 

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Trump had his fat little hands in Biden's son. Believe it, with Julie flapping away)
You obviously don't know, do you? I have already listed Biden's long list of accomplishments during his Senate years. He has plenty to show for it.
Trump wasn't qualified when he ran the first time, and he is still not qualified.
He fucks up almost everything he touches in one way or another. He knows 0 about diplomacy, among other things. Trump played 300 days of golf. He worshipped Fox News (fake news), Specifically Hannity, Tuckie, and Lewie. all day long. He has no idea how to govern and takes no advice from anyone.
Ronald Regan knew what he didn't know and brought into his cabinet the sharpest, most experienced minds to tell him what he needed to hear and not what he wanted to hear.
And Biden is selecting unqualified people as well, plus the twist most of his selections are based on gender and race--not the best he could get.

Trump was the best President we've had since Reagan with many accomplishments. You refuse to recognize them based on your personal opinion of him. If Trump had anything to do with Hunter's FBI investigation, please post a reliable source for it. If Trump were President today, we'd still be paying $2.10 a gallon for gasoline rather than the $2.70 we are paying today, and zero threat of the Democrats stopping us from buying firearms and ammo in the future.

I don't know if the FBI interviewed Tony Bobolinski, but Tucker Carlson did. You should dig up that interview to see what he had to say that reinforced the investigation by the FBI. Not only was Tony a diehard Democrat, but also a military vet, successful businessman, and a former partner in the Biden scam.
Biden has selected highly qualified people who were not brought in because they voted for him, and gender and race are well represented as they should be and are as qualified as any. Biden does not make decisions based on his "gut". He knows what he doesn't know. Trump thought he knew everything, and said so. He brought in mostly white men, most of them hardly the best he could get. They kept their positions by telling Trump what he wanted to hear, instead of what he needed to hear. As soon the experts began to tell him what he needed to hear, they were gone. Trump's "accomplishments" have or will have unintended consequences. Trump is a grifter and easily fools people with his gift of gab.
I remember Trump, Rudy, the phone calls to Ukraine, Rudy's time in Ukraine, the Congressional hearings, those two and their seedy comments about Biden and his son, and now the follow-up.
Who has he brought in to his Cabinet that didn't vote for him?

Yes, and we know...we are all aware that Biden isn't really leading this admin...but being told what to do and who to put into place etc....but he has certainly suggested in the past that he goes by what he's "gut" tells him:
You know nothing if you think that Biden isn't leading our nation. Leadership is as good as his team because NOBODY can do it alone. If the team does the job it is supposed to do, you look good. If the team is weak, as in Trump's case, you do not look good. Trump took advice from nobody, made a mess and we will realize the unintended consequences of his actions. Nobody is telling Biden what to do--that is the dumbest comment.
You have contradicted yourself over and over again here.
How so?

Trump created the best economy we have had in a generation, then the Chinese Virus hit....he followed the advice of the experts the entire time...at least according to the expert Fauci: Trump ‘Does Listen’ To Him And White House Coronavirus Advisors

"

Dr. Anthony Fauci said President Donald Trump does listen to him and scientists on the White House Coronavirus Task Force despite worries to the contrary among physicians, public health experts and the public at large."
Dr. Anthony Fauci unleashes on White House coronavirus ...
www.cnn.com › 2020/11/01 › politics › donald-trump-an...

Nov 1, 2020 — The nation's top infectious disease specialist, Dr. Anthony Fauci, has long been restrained as President Donald Trump and the White House ...
Trump Renews Criticism of Dr. Anthony Fauci - WSJ
www.wsj.com › articles › trump-renews-criticism-of-dr-an...

Oct 13, 2020 — President Trump again took aim at his administration's top infectious-disease expert, Anthony Fauci, after the doctor said a Trump campaign ad ...
'nuff said about Trump and Fauci. Trump listened to nobody, except his"gut".
Criticism is perfectly fine....that's all I am seeing in your links...Trump had some issues with the Doctor...rightly so, and the Doctor rightly had some as well....but nowhere in your links does it contradict what the Doctor said about the President listening to him and others....
 

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"You people" this and "you people" that is always the response from "you people".
"You people" always inflate the numbers. Of course, I don't want certain items in the package, get it?
No, I don't. Do you support this 2 trillion bill or do you not?
I have mixed feelings. However, I believe in the covid part of it and anything that will aid the middle class, underclass, and small business. So yes.
You just need to remember, that everything that you say "will aid the middle class, under class, and small buisness"... is going to come from those people. The middle class will have to pay higher taxes. The under class will have to pay higher taxes. Small business will have to pay higher taxes.

Everyone that will benefit from this.... will also be harmed by it.

There is no free lunch. The bill has to be paid, and don't believe the mythology that "the rich will pay it"... no they won't. You will. Your kids will. Their kids will.

Not going to be the rich paying this bill. Never worked in all human history, and won't work today.
Everybody making over $400000 will get an increase and the super-wealthy will lose that huge tax reduction that Trump gave them. It will be our grandchildren
who will bear the brunt. The money for the covid is necessary no matter what.
They'll just hide their wealth like they did before.

Warren Buffet has a total salary of $100,000 a year. He's not going to pay it.
Mark Zuckerberg has a salary of $1. He's not going to pay it.
No one is.
No one.

Yeah, it will be your grand children that are going to pay half their income to fund this nonsense.

And no, it's not necessary. You are entitled to your opinion, that's fine. And we'll disagree.

But spare me this "the wealthy will lose their tax cut". The amount of money the rich paid, went up with the tax cut. It will go back down with the hike.

They are not going to pay it.
Their companies pay it, not them if they are set up the way you think. Their companies make the big bucks and pay the big tax. They take a small salary and have plenty in the bank. Normal stuff.
So you don't want to do anything with the ordinary income tax, you want to raise the corp tax rate? Because you seem to be talking about two different things. Trump's ordinary income tax cuts for all Americans, and then having companies pay taxes....

Just fyi, the companies won't pay it either....they simply will raise the price of their products or services, so the customers will pay it.

Expect higher cost for food, milk, bread, internet, cars, clothes, houses etc.....thanks for hurting the middle class
According to Biden, only those making $400000+ will lose that ridiculous tax reduction that Trump gave them. The tax cuts were invested in the stock market and not in our economy. We will get higher prices because of trade wars,
and that was a gimme. Companies simply do not raise prices because they may not be competitive. FYI
So again are you talking about the ordinary income tax, or corp taxes? Also, investing in the market....IS investing in our economy!

Yes, if you raise the corp tax rate, our businesses won't be able to be competitive with foreign businesses...I agree...further hurting the American economy.
No, investing in the stock market is NOT investing in the economy. Biden is removing that silly tax reduction from the super-wealthy because all it did was to drive up the stock market, and nothing else. Read a book
Sure it is, businesses make up the stock market....when you invest in businesses on the market, you are investing in the economy....business are the economy.

Ok then why are you asking to raise the corp tax rate? why do you want to hurt the economy?
When you invest in the stock market, you are not investing in the business. You are investing in the price of shares of the business. That, in itself, does nothing for the
strength of the business, except to raise the selling price of its shares.
You need to go to school or take a course. They teach this basic stuff in school.
The corporate tax rate was just fine when Obama left office and the economy was in recovery. All this tax reduction by Trump did was to put more money in shareholders' pockets, and they reinvested it in the stock market to make more money. They did not invest it in the economy as Trump falsely predicted, saying the 2 trillion dollar tax cut would decrease the national debt. It only served to increase the debt by 2 trillion dollars.
Trump hurt the economy because when the economy tanks, Biden will have no arrows in his quiver to deal with it because Trump unnecessarily goosed an already recovering economy with huge tax cuts for the super-wealthy, the slashing of environmental regulations, and encouraging industrial pollution for profit. you and I will feel the brunt of the collapse. It is called the "BIG PICTURE" and must be accounted for since there are unintended consequences for many actions.
 
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Biden has selected highly qualified people who were not brought in because they voted for him, and gender and race are well represented as they should be and are as qualified as any. Biden does not make decisions based on his "gut". He knows what he doesn't know. Trump thought he knew everything, and said so. He brought in mostly white men, most of them hardly the best he could get. They kept their positions by telling Trump what he wanted to hear, instead of what he needed to hear. As soon the experts began to tell him what he needed to hear, they were gone. Trump's "accomplishments" have or will have unintended consequences. Trump is a grifter and easily fools people with his gift of gab.
I remember Trump, Rudy, the phone calls to Ukraine, Rudy's time in Ukraine, the Congressional hearings, those two and their seedy comments about Biden and his son, and now the follow-up.
If the President wants to look at possible corruption of the last administration, you object to that? Well, all Democrats do because they are all corrupt.


 

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"You people" this and "you people" that is always the response from "you people".
"You people" always inflate the numbers. Of course, I don't want certain items in the package, get it?
No, I don't. Do you support this 2 trillion bill or do you not?
I have mixed feelings. However, I believe in the covid part of it and anything that will aid the middle class, underclass, and small business. So yes.
You just need to remember, that everything that you say "will aid the middle class, under class, and small buisness"... is going to come from those people. The middle class will have to pay higher taxes. The under class will have to pay higher taxes. Small business will have to pay higher taxes.

Everyone that will benefit from this.... will also be harmed by it.

There is no free lunch. The bill has to be paid, and don't believe the mythology that "the rich will pay it"... no they won't. You will. Your kids will. Their kids will.

Not going to be the rich paying this bill. Never worked in all human history, and won't work today.
Everybody making over $400000 will get an increase and the super-wealthy will lose that huge tax reduction that Trump gave them. It will be our grandchildren
who will bear the brunt. The money for the covid is necessary no matter what.
They'll just hide their wealth like they did before.

Warren Buffet has a total salary of $100,000 a year. He's not going to pay it.
Mark Zuckerberg has a salary of $1. He's not going to pay it.
No one is.
No one.

Yeah, it will be your grand children that are going to pay half their income to fund this nonsense.

And no, it's not necessary. You are entitled to your opinion, that's fine. And we'll disagree.

But spare me this "the wealthy will lose their tax cut". The amount of money the rich paid, went up with the tax cut. It will go back down with the hike.

They are not going to pay it.
Their companies pay it, not them if they are set up the way you think. Their companies make the big bucks and pay the big tax. They take a small salary and have plenty in the bank. Normal stuff.
So you don't want to do anything with the ordinary income tax, you want to raise the corp tax rate? Because you seem to be talking about two different things. Trump's ordinary income tax cuts for all Americans, and then having companies pay taxes....

Just fyi, the companies won't pay it either....they simply will raise the price of their products or services, so the customers will pay it.

Expect higher cost for food, milk, bread, internet, cars, clothes, houses etc.....thanks for hurting the middle class
According to Biden, only those making $400000+ will lose that ridiculous tax reduction that Trump gave them. The tax cuts were invested in the stock market and not in our economy. We will get higher prices because of trade wars,
and that was a gimme. Companies simply do not raise prices because they may not be competitive. FYI
So again are you talking about the ordinary income tax, or corp taxes? Also, investing in the market....IS investing in our economy!

Yes, if you raise the corp tax rate, our businesses won't be able to be competitive with foreign businesses...I agree...further hurting the American economy.
No, investing in the stock market is NOT investing in the economy. Biden is removing that silly tax reduction from the super-wealthy because all it did was to drive up the stock market, and nothing else. Read a book
Sure it is, businesses make up the stock market....when you invest in businesses on the market, you are investing in the economy....business are the economy.

Ok then why are you asking to raise the corp tax rate? why do you want to hurt the economy?
When you invest in the stock market, you are not investing in the business. You are investing in the price of shares of the business. That, in itself, does nothing for the
strength of the business, except to raise the selling price of its shares.
You need to go to school or take a course. They teach this basic stuff in school.
The corporate tax rate was just fine when Obama left office and the economy was in recovery. All this tax reduction by Trump did was to put more money in shareholders' pockets, and they reinvested it in the stock market to make more money. They did not invest it in the economy as Trump falsely predicted, saying the 2 trillion dollar tax cut would decrease the national debt. It only served to increase the debt by 2 trillion dollars.
Trump hurt the economy because when the economy tanks, Biden will have no arrows in his quiver to deal with it because Trump unnecessarily goosed an already recovering economy with huge tax cuts for the super-wealthy, the slashing of environmental regulations, and encouraging industrial pollution for profit. you and I will feel the brunt of the collapse. It is called the "BIG PICTURE" and must be accounted for since there are unintended consequences for many actions.
ok, i read your first sentence, then stopped...because you clearly have no clue what you are talking about.

You want us to believe, that when you buy stock in Company XYZ, you aren't investing in the business....wow....just wow
 

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According to Biden, only those making $400000+ will lose that ridiculous tax reduction that Trump gave them. The tax cuts were invested in the stock market and not in our economy. We will get higher prices because of trade wars,
and that was a gimme. Companies simply do not raise prices because they may not be competitive. FYI
So you increase taxes on the rich guy. He takes a bigger check from his company as pay to bring home the same amount of net pay. He passes the loss to the company on his customers. The one thing you people never learn is that the big guy never takes the hit. They always pass their losses to the little guy.
They are not losses, per se. They simply do not make as much. Your equation is incorrect. Corporations do not necessarily pass on to the little guy because they may lose their competitiveness in the market. And they are merely giving back that ridiculous and unnecessary tax cut.
 
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Yes, that would be terrible, a government that actually has the ability to get stuff done!

Only a Wingnut would define "Freedom" as the ability to die of a preventable disease.
Like I said, you people should move to Cuba or North Korea if you want a government like that. Here we have a Constitution to prevent government from treating us like animals on a farm. Covid isn't preventable. It broke out all across the world. Some had less problems with it than others, but it wasn't preventable anywhere. And we don't know what the real numbers are because if you fall from your roof doing some roof patching, die when you get to the hospital and they test you for Covid, if you have it, they mark it as a Covid death.

We asked the same questions when Trump held up aid to the Blue States.
Who did Trump hold up aid to?
 
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They are not losses, per se. They simply do not make as much. Your equation is incorrect. Corporations do not necessarily pass on to the little guy because they may lose their competitiveness in the market. And they are merely giving back that ridiculous and unnecessary tax cut.
Wrong. Businesses recoup all their losses. An owner of a company doesn't simply withdraw money from the company account. He or she gets a paycheck like all their employees. If they get hit with more taxes, they increase their pay which takes money out of the company.

They don't worry about increasing prices because their competitors are doing the exact same. If their competition is foreign and they lose money, they do like so many thousands of businesses have already done and move the company overseas.
 
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When you invest in the stock market, you are not investing in the business. You are investing in the price of shares of the business. That, in itself, does nothing for the
strength of the business, except to raise the selling price of its shares.
When you buy shares of a company, it makes you a part owner of that company and what you share are their profits. Why would a company share their profits with anybody? Because they use the money you invest in their business for expansion, new product lines, research and development that they don't have to take loans from a bank to fund.
 

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The Dems are corrupt of course. And so are the rethuglicans as well. No free passes here ray. I call them all out for what they are. Above all else greedy. You cannot argue against this at all.
 

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They are not losses, per se. They simply do not make as much. Your equation is incorrect. Corporations do not necessarily pass on to the little guy because they may lose their competitiveness in the market. And they are merely giving back that ridiculous and unnecessary tax cut.
Wrong. Businesses recoup all their losses. An owner of a company doesn't simply withdraw money from the company account. He or she gets a paycheck like all their employees. If they get hit with more taxes, they increase their pay which takes money out of the company.

They don't worry about increasing prices because their competitors are doing the exact same. If their competition is foreign and they lose money, they do like so many thousands of businesses have already done and move the company overseas.
Correct. Never said that they did not get a paycheck, and I was responding to a blogger on that subject. They do not necessarily increase their pay whenever. My discussion was geared toward that tax reduction for the super-wealthy, who spent that money on the stock market. When they lose that huge windfall, they won't necessarily take a larger paycheck, and businesses do not always recoup their losses.
 

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When you invest in the stock market, you are not investing in the business. You are investing in the price of shares of the business. That, in itself, does nothing for the
strength of the business, except to raise the selling price of its shares.
When you buy shares of a company, it makes you a part owner of that company and what you share are their profits. Why would a company share their profits with anybody? Because they use the money you invest in their business for expansion, new product lines, research and development that they don't have to take loans from a bank to fund.
The stock can rise and the profits do not always rise.
 

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You're just pissed that wealthy people aren't being given money.

Stimulus actions include constructiuon which creates jobs.

You people are dumber than shit.
You can't stimulate an economy of 340 million people by targeting the construction industry alone, and all their union members. Talk about dumber than shit.
You stupid fuck. the 1.9 trillion is not all going to construction.

Road & bridge construction boost jobs in the steel, aggregate and cement industries. Those families spewd money boosting the entire economy.
 

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"You people" this and "you people" that is always the response from "you people".
"You people" always inflate the numbers. Of course, I don't want certain items in the package, get it?
No, I don't. Do you support this 2 trillion bill or do you not?
I have mixed feelings. However, I believe in the covid part of it and anything that will aid the middle class, underclass, and small business. So yes.
You just need to remember, that everything that you say "will aid the middle class, under class, and small buisness"... is going to come from those people. The middle class will have to pay higher taxes. The under class will have to pay higher taxes. Small business will have to pay higher taxes.

Everyone that will benefit from this.... will also be harmed by it.

There is no free lunch. The bill has to be paid, and don't believe the mythology that "the rich will pay it"... no they won't. You will. Your kids will. Their kids will.

Not going to be the rich paying this bill. Never worked in all human history, and won't work today.
Everybody making over $400000 will get an increase and the super-wealthy will lose that huge tax reduction that Trump gave them. It will be our grandchildren
who will bear the brunt. The money for the covid is necessary no matter what.
They'll just hide their wealth like they did before.

Warren Buffet has a total salary of $100,000 a year. He's not going to pay it.
Mark Zuckerberg has a salary of $1. He's not going to pay it.
No one is.
No one.

Yeah, it will be your grand children that are going to pay half their income to fund this nonsense.

And no, it's not necessary. You are entitled to your opinion, that's fine. And we'll disagree.

But spare me this "the wealthy will lose their tax cut". The amount of money the rich paid, went up with the tax cut. It will go back down with the hike.

They are not going to pay it.
Their companies pay it, not them if they are set up the way you think. Their companies make the big bucks and pay the big tax. They take a small salary and have plenty in the bank. Normal stuff.
So you don't want to do anything with the ordinary income tax, you want to raise the corp tax rate? Because you seem to be talking about two different things. Trump's ordinary income tax cuts for all Americans, and then having companies pay taxes....

Just fyi, the companies won't pay it either....they simply will raise the price of their products or services, so the customers will pay it.

Expect higher cost for food, milk, bread, internet, cars, clothes, houses etc.....thanks for hurting the middle class
According to Biden, only those making $400000+ will lose that ridiculous tax reduction that Trump gave them. The tax cuts were invested in the stock market and not in our economy. We will get higher prices because of trade wars,
and that was a gimme. Companies simply do not raise prices because they may not be competitive. FYI
So again are you talking about the ordinary income tax, or corp taxes? Also, investing in the market....IS investing in our economy!

Yes, if you raise the corp tax rate, our businesses won't be able to be competitive with foreign businesses...I agree...further hurting the American economy.
No, investing in the stock market is NOT investing in the economy. Biden is removing that silly tax reduction from the super-wealthy because all it did was to drive up the stock market, and nothing else. Read a book
Sure it is, businesses make up the stock market....when you invest in businesses on the market, you are investing in the economy....business are the economy.

Ok then why are you asking to raise the corp tax rate? why do you want to hurt the economy?
When you invest in the stock market, you are not investing in the business. You are investing in the price of shares of the business. That, in itself, does nothing for the
strength of the business, except to raise the selling price of its shares.
You need to go to school or take a course. They teach this basic stuff in school.
The corporate tax rate was just fine when Obama left office and the economy was in recovery. All this tax reduction by Trump did was to put more money in shareholders' pockets, and they reinvested it in the stock market to make more money. They did not invest it in the economy as Trump falsely predicted, saying the 2 trillion dollar tax cut would decrease the national debt. It only served to increase the debt by 2 trillion dollars.
Trump hurt the economy because when the economy tanks, Biden will have no arrows in his quiver to deal with it because Trump unnecessarily goosed an already recovering economy with huge tax cuts for the super-wealthy, the slashing of environmental regulations, and encouraging industrial pollution for profit. you and I will feel the brunt of the collapse. It is called the "BIG PICTURE" and must be accounted for since there are unintended consequences for many actions.
No, not directly. But you are indirectly, because no one would have ever invested in the business to begin with, if the shares could not be sold.

So while your specific dollars that you buy the stock with, does not go directly to the company itself, the fact is no investment would have happened to begin with, had you not been able to purchase them.

That said, there are other ways that higher stock values, that are created by people buying their stock, does in fact benefit the company, such as in all stock transaction, generally involving the buying of other companies.

And although far more rare, sometimes companies do have followup public offerings of stock, to raise capital for expansion.

So again, while it does not directly benefit the company, it does indirectly.

The corporate tax rate was just fine when Obama left office and the economy was in recovery. All this tax reduction by Trump did was to put more money in shareholders' pockets, and they reinvested it in the stock market to make more money. They did not invest it in the economy as Trump falsely predicted, saying the 2 trillion dollar tax cut would decrease the national debt. It only served to increase the debt by 2 trillion dollars.

This is a false claim. You are just wrong on this. Many companies have moved money that was parked, or being invested outside the US, back into the US.

Additionally, you are also wrong that all the money went to shareholders. Just factually not true. Flat out, you are wrong.

And lastly, who are shareholders? We are. The vast majority of the shareholders....are us. We are the shareholders. 401k, IRAs, pensions, government funds, non-profits, and life insurance make up the bulk of shareholders. We are the shareholders.

So when you say all the money went to the shareholders... while factually wrong... it wouldn't be a negative if it was true.
 

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