What would America be like today if there had been no civil war and black slaves status changed to indentured servitude?

[TheGreenHornet]

This Nation suffered tremendously due to The War Between the States (the correct title) much more so than most now realize.

If all those deaths and property damage could have been avoided we would be much more powerful and the undisputed super-power with no communism allowed anywhere in the world and Islam a religion that that would have been declared illegal and wiped out long ago.Amazon product

Black slavery would have ended with the coming of the industrial age if not before.....the humane way of dealing with the problem would have been to change their legal status of being slaves to a status of indentured servants....like so many whites had gone through.

After their period of servitude was over the majority should have been sent to liberia with economic support to sustain them until they built up Liberia into a successful state with the help of White American advisors.

A select few should have been allowed to stay....the more intelligent ones with needed skills and demonstrated loyalty could then have been a base of support for their cousins in Liberia and eventually join up with them.... after Liberia became a stable and powerful nation ----and then realizing and implementing their manifest destiny of colonizing the rest of Africa and turning them into client states and thus by their example educate the majority of blacks on the proper way to live and conduct themselves whilst becoming civilized, educated and thus enabled to use their knew found skills and abilities to create successful nation states.

It could have been done....it would have required more visionaires and fewer liberal radicals trying to assume fallacious roles of moral superiority

Isn't indentured servitude just another term for slavery. So if everybody had used that term instead of slavery we would not have had a Civil War??

It has been explained many times in the past and on this board that Slavery was not the cause of the so called civil war....'the war between the states' being the most appropriate title for that war.

For anyone who wants the truth about that war.........
The War Between the States - John J. Dwyer


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[Asclepias]

This Nation suffered tremendously due to The War Between the States (the correct title) much more so than most now realize.

If all those deaths and property damage could have been avoided we would be much more powerful and the undisputed super-power with no communism allowed anywhere in the world and Islam a religion that that would have been declared illegal and wiped out long ago.Amazon product

Black slavery would have ended with the coming of the industrial age if not before.....the humane way of dealing with the problem would have been to change their legal status of being slaves to a status of indentured servants....like so many whites had gone through.

After their period of servitude was over the majority should have been sent to liberia with economic support to sustain them until they built up Liberia into a successful state with the help of White American advisors.

A select few should have been allowed to stay....the more intelligent ones with needed skills and demonstrated loyalty could then have been a base of support for their cousins in Liberia and eventually join up with them.... after Liberia became a stable and powerful nation ----and then realizing and implementing their manifest destiny of colonizing the rest of Africa and turning them into client states and thus by their example educate the majority of blacks on the proper way to live and conduct themselves whilst becoming civilized, educated and thus enabled to use their knew found skills and abilities to create successful nation states.

It could have been done....it would have required more visionaires and fewer liberal radicals trying to assume fallacious roles of moral superiority

Isn't indentured servitude just another term for slavery. So if everybody had used that term instead of slavery we would not have had a Civil War??

It has been explained many times in the past and on this board that Slavery was not the cause of the so called civil war....'the war between the states' being the most appropriate title for that war.

For anyone who wants the truth about that war...https://www.amazon.com/War-Between-States-Americas-Uncivil/dp/B07K4DPVXY

Claiming slavery was not the cause of the civil war is idiot thinking considering the south specifically stated that was the reason. No one needs to read a book trying to revise history. The south stated they were fighting over slavery in their articles of secession and voiced it during the Cornerstone speech. Only a fucking fool would be convinced they were not fighting to keep slavery alive.

 

[whitehall]

The winners write the history books but the fact is that the industrial revolution was right around the corner in the late 19th century and support for the old slave plantation mentality and criminality was fading. Lincoln had a chance to avoid the carnage of a Civil War but it seems that he was consumed with personal problems and possibly mental depression. He could have offered a compromise to the radical southern faction or lied to them or met them in a tavern and bought them drinks but he refused to talk to the radicals. He was encouraged by truly ignorant staffers to believe that the impending violence wouldn't last more than a summer when they should have known that the conflict would be devastating to the relatively new Republic. Lincoln is credited with "saving the Union" but the fact is that Union fell apart under his watch.

 

[TheGreenHornet]

The winners write the history books but the fact is that the industrial revolution was right around the corner in the late 19th century and support for the old slave plantation mentality and criminality was fading. Lincoln had a chance to avoid the carnage of a Civil War but it seems that he was consumed with personal problems and possibly mental depression. He could have offered a compromise to the radical southern faction or lied to them or met them in a tavern and bought them drinks but he refused to talk to the radicals. He was encouraged by truly ignorant staffers to believe that the impending violence wouldn't last more than a summer when they should have known that the conflict would be devastating to the relatively new Republic. Lincoln is credited with "saving the Union" but the fact is that Union fell apart under his watch.

Mr. Lincoln was more responsible for the tragic 'War Between The States" than any other person.

Satan grabbed him by the ear .....whispered sweet nothings and seduced Lincoln and hundreds of thousands of American's needlessly died.

'There is no foolishness to which a man will not stoop, dear reader, if he has a mob at his back and a public office within his grasp. Instead of letting the Deep South do as it pleased…Mr. Lincoln decided he would tell them what to do.'


The Myth of Lincoln, Secession, and 'Civil War' - LewRockwell

 

[whitehall]

The winners write the history books but the fact is that the industrial revolution was right around the corner in the late 19th century and support for the old slave plantation mentality and criminality was fading. Lincoln had a chance to avoid the carnage of a Civil War but it seems that he was consumed with personal problems and possibly mental depression. He could have offered a compromise to the radical southern faction or lied to them or met them in a tavern and bought them drinks but he refused to talk to the radicals. He was encouraged by truly ignorant staffers to believe that the impending violence wouldn't last more than a summer when they should have known that the conflict would be devastating to the relatively new Republic. Lincoln is credited with "saving the Union" but the fact is that Union fell apart under his watch.

Mr. Lincoln was more responsible for the tragic 'War Between The States" than any other person.

Satan grabbed him by the ear .....whispered sweet nothings in his ear and seduced him.

'There is no foolishness to which a man will not stoop, dear reader, if he has a mob at his back and a public office within his grasp. Instead of letting the Deep South do as it pleased…Mr. Lincoln decided he would tell them what to do.'

Blaming the devil might be a political trick to avoid criticism of arguably the most iconic president in history. Lincoln was his own man and he chose conflict over compromise. Lincoln was a flawed leader with about a dozen biographers who decided to turn him into a saint and had the power to do so at the time.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

The war was not over slavery.

 

[badger2]

Try to adjust the pathology in any way you want. Original homeland security, Native Americans, would rather have died than work for White Eyes.

 

[TheGreenHornet]

This Nation suffered tremendously due to The War Between the States (the correct title) much more so than most now realize.

If all those deaths and property damage could have been avoided we would be much more powerful and the undisputed super-power with no communism allowed anywhere in the world and Islam a religion that that would have been declared illegal and wiped out long ago.

Black slavery would have ended with the coming of the industrial age if not before.....the humane way of dealing with the problem would have been to change their legal status of being slaves to a status of indentured servants....like so many whites had gone through.

After their period of servitude was over the majority should have been sent to liberia with economic support to sustain them until they built up Liberia into a successful state with the help of White American advisors.

A select few should have been allowed to stay....the more intelligent ones with needed skills and demonstrated loyalty could then have been a base of support for their cousins in Liberia and eventually join up with them.... after Liberia became a stable and powerful nation ----and then realizing and implementing their manifest destiny of colonizing the rest of Africa and turning them into client states and thus by their example educate the majority of blacks on the proper way to live and conduct themselves whilst becoming civilized, educated and thus enabled to use their knew found skills and abilities to create successful nation states.

It could have been done....it would have required more visionaires and fewer liberal radicals trying to assume fallacious roles of moral superiority

Isn't indentured servitude just another term for slavery. So if everybody had used that term instead of slavery we would not have had a Civil War??

The main benefit would have been to appease the radical abolitionists up North.....and that would have contributed to the possible avoidance of the war......also to avoid punishing the Plantation owners.....they would still have had a work force and much economic hardship could have been avoided.....the blacks would not have been left out in the cold....their lives would have continued pretty much the same.....but it would have given them hope to know that after a period of 7 yrs. they would no longer be slaves but would be sent back to Africa with American support and know how ---to set up their own nation in Liberia.

The war could have been avoided by negotiations if cooler heads had prevailed....Mr. Lincoln's mistaken notion of it being his mission to preserve the union....was the main reason he wanted war...he thought a war was required to preserve the union....a tragic misconception.

Make no mistake Lincoln wanted war.

But you are correct that indentured servitude was a form of white slavery....many said it was even worse....many of them were abused and worked to death.

Wheras black slaves on the Plantations had it better.....being very valuable property of the plantation....Plantation owners knew the better they treated their slaves the happier they would be and the Plantation was thus more efficient as happy workers produce more.

Only a idiot mistreats valuable property....the plantation owners wealth was measured by how many slaves he had.