bendog
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I saw this in politco this morning - interviews with W admin and others - as to what we got right and wrong.
www.politico.com
And don't get me wrong, imo Trump was and is unsuited for the office, but that doesn't mean he was wrong about or for policy, he was more right than the three before him. And he was right about other stuff too, but thats's OT. That's no diss, btw, a lot of people have good ideas, but lack the temperament. Goldwater, Mitt Romney's dad, Jeanne Kilpatrick .... Pat Buchanan.
We never should have invaded Iraq over 9-11 because Iraq had nothing to do with it, nor did Iran for that matter. When Trump was president we were STILL fighting the spawn of the Sunni losers in Iraq who were ISIS in Syria. W actually made the 9-11 situation worse in creating more terrorists (its better to fight em there than here. LOL. How about not creating them to have fight them in the first place.) Trump wanted an end to that crap.
Trump also somehow knew, deep down, that Nato is lost. It's purpose was to defeat the Soviets. Like all institutions it seeks to live on in perpetuity. Reagan was certainly right in noting that whenever govt creates something, it's pretty impossible to shut it down. We still have the Tenn Valley Authority for god's sake.
The EU through Nato became embroiled in Afghan. W started out by starving that war for his Iraq misadventure. W plainly said we'd be in Afghan for a LONG time to nation build. the US has NEVER succeeded in that. Western europe rebuilt itself with US help after WWII, but they built their own societies, and they were democratically inclined anyway. Even the Soviets had "elections." Outside of Egypt, which was run by the Brit Empire (which was actually GOOD at nationbuilding) there aren't many democracies over there, and both Egypt and Iraq don't function as multi-ethincic/religious republics)
We shudda pulled the plug on Afgan when Obama was potus. I've wondered why he stayed. It was for nation building and the women, no doubt. And Biden was inconsistent back then. But would Obama have stayed if the EU and Nato were not so heavily invested with military and money? I don't know. It's odd that he pulled the plug on Iraq immediately, but lingered for 8 years in Afghan. And he's a muslim(-:
Trump knew we had to get out of there. He also knew Nato doesn't really serve a purpose. And in the end, it may be like all the European Alliances that led to WWI. It should have just been a regional conflict with Serbia and Austria.
They Created Our Post-9/11 World. Here’s What They Think They Got Wrong.
Seventeen prominent players reflect on the decades of war they helped wage and the domestic defenses they helped erect.
www.politico.com
And don't get me wrong, imo Trump was and is unsuited for the office, but that doesn't mean he was wrong about or for policy, he was more right than the three before him. And he was right about other stuff too, but thats's OT. That's no diss, btw, a lot of people have good ideas, but lack the temperament. Goldwater, Mitt Romney's dad, Jeanne Kilpatrick .... Pat Buchanan.
We never should have invaded Iraq over 9-11 because Iraq had nothing to do with it, nor did Iran for that matter. When Trump was president we were STILL fighting the spawn of the Sunni losers in Iraq who were ISIS in Syria. W actually made the 9-11 situation worse in creating more terrorists (its better to fight em there than here. LOL. How about not creating them to have fight them in the first place.) Trump wanted an end to that crap.
Trump also somehow knew, deep down, that Nato is lost. It's purpose was to defeat the Soviets. Like all institutions it seeks to live on in perpetuity. Reagan was certainly right in noting that whenever govt creates something, it's pretty impossible to shut it down. We still have the Tenn Valley Authority for god's sake.
The EU through Nato became embroiled in Afghan. W started out by starving that war for his Iraq misadventure. W plainly said we'd be in Afghan for a LONG time to nation build. the US has NEVER succeeded in that. Western europe rebuilt itself with US help after WWII, but they built their own societies, and they were democratically inclined anyway. Even the Soviets had "elections." Outside of Egypt, which was run by the Brit Empire (which was actually GOOD at nationbuilding) there aren't many democracies over there, and both Egypt and Iraq don't function as multi-ethincic/religious republics)
We shudda pulled the plug on Afgan when Obama was potus. I've wondered why he stayed. It was for nation building and the women, no doubt. And Biden was inconsistent back then. But would Obama have stayed if the EU and Nato were not so heavily invested with military and money? I don't know. It's odd that he pulled the plug on Iraq immediately, but lingered for 8 years in Afghan. And he's a muslim(-:
Trump knew we had to get out of there. He also knew Nato doesn't really serve a purpose. And in the end, it may be like all the European Alliances that led to WWI. It should have just been a regional conflict with Serbia and Austria.
