Paying an illegal immigrant is like paying a shoplifter, both by definition and by the law are, "Illegal".
What to do with the $800 billion the illegal aliens send home?
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Admiral Rockwell Tory
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You missed the topic by a mile. They are not here on H-1B visas. Oh, if the DOL knows, they must have all been legal immigrants.View attachment 1056886
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They are hiring Consuela over Americans to change beedsheets at Mar-a-Lago and other resort properties.
NOTE: The numbers are different because the articles are from different time frames.
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Donald Trump can't find enough Americans to work at Mar-a-Lago
Trump's businesses have requested more than 100 foreign workers in the past year, according to a new report.www.newsweek.com
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This. Same reason they want green cards for ag workers, so they don;t have pay competitive wages and hire workers with citizenship rights.
Silence in the Fields
The U.S. government is allowing farmers to fill thousands of jobs with foreign 'guestworkers.' The conditions are hardly hospitable -- but those who speak out can be sent straight back home.
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Launched after World War II and fine-tuned during the 1980s, the H-2A program was designed to allow farmers to temporarily employ foreign workers during periods of labor shortage. In reality, farmers are increasingly using H-2A to permanently replace American workers with a captive labor force. With little official oversight, growers simply turn away domestic workers, or offer wages so low that flipping burgers becomes more appealing. In effect, H-2A has turned NAFTA inside out: Since U.S. farms can’t go to the Third World, the federal government allows agribusiness to bring the Third World to U.S. farms. Some 42,000 workers on H-2A visas — mainly from Mexico, Jamaica, and Peru — now harvest tobacco in Virginia, clip onions in Georgia, pick apples in New England, cut sugarcane in Arkansas and Louisiana, herd sheep in Idaho and Nevada, and operate combines throughout the Midwest. A related program called H-1B allows employers to import 195,000 skilled workers a year, bringing computer programmers to Silicon Valley and other high-tech hot spots.
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In fact, study after study of the H-2A program concludes that there’s actually a surplus of agricultural labor, not a shortage. “Unemployment and underemployment are endemic among farmworkers,” says one Labor Department report. “Even at the seasonal peak in September, one-third of farmworkers are still not working in U.S. agriculture.” In studies and congressional testimony about the program, the General Accounting Office also dismisses the idea of a labor shortage. “Agricultural employers in most of the United States have had adequate supplies of labor for many years and continue to do so,” the GAO reports.
The agency acknowledges that some regions do experience local shortages, but notes that those might be alleviated “with fairly modest wage increases.” Instead, H-2A enables farmers — from small operators to corporate giants employing more than 600 workers — to effectively circumvent the free market, paying guestworkers as little as $6.39 an hour rather than raising hourly wages to attract U.S. workers. “A lot of farmers say, ‘I advertised for 300 jobs and no one applied,'” says Thom Myers, a farmworker advocate in Raleigh, North Carolina. “But what about the guy who runs a hardware store who has the same argument? What about the guy who runs a restaurant? If this was any other industry, the government would say, ‘Hey, raise your pay until the supply and demand curves cross.'”
Rather than pay market wages, H-2A growers have instead developed a litany of schemes to ward off domestic workers. In Idaho, the Snake River Farmer’s Association urged its members to write backbreaking job descriptions to discourage Americans from applying. “Irrigators or pipe movers is a great job description because no one wants to move pipe,” explains an association handout. Farmers in other states have turned away U.S. residents for being a few minutes late for interviews, or for not knowing the fine points of federal labor law. In North Carolina, the Growers Association says it hires domestic workers after a simple five-minute phone interview — but state officials describe the process as intentionally inefficient and even hostile. “They go out of their way to discourage local workers from seeking employment,” Lee Albritton, a former job-service employee, wrote in a memo to his supervisors. In 1999, the state found jobs on non-H-2A farms for 12,700 domestic workers. By contrast, on H-2A farms, the state found jobs for only seven workers.
Never been a labor shortage in the U.S., not ever.
WorldWatcher
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You should go back and read what I wrote, you missed it my a mile.
I never said Trump hired Illegals. I said he hired foreigners over American's.
Which is true. Here it is 2024 and he's STILL hiring foreigners instead of hiring Americna's.
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Admiral Rockwell Tory
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He doesn't make those decisions! Why are you blaming him? Ever been to south Florida? It's mostly immigrants from somewhere. All the citizens are retired!
I'll give a personal example from my daughter. When we moved from Florida with its ethnically diverse population, my teenage daughter was shocked when we would go through the drive through and were waited on by white workers only. She had no idea that the county high school I worked in had 3 minorities in the whole county. Our faculty was much more diverse but with Hispanic teachers, more than black. We had one black teacher on the faculty. Why? None lived there! Most of our Hispanic teachers were first generation Americans whose parents were migrant workers in agriculture and were born here in the 50s and 60. Most of them were retirement age.
WorldWatcher
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Because it's his business. He sets policy.
The fact is he's a hypocrite for MAGA, then importing foreigners to work his business.
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The topic is not about foreigners, is it?
Admiral Rockwell Tory
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So, you think all of his employees can discriminate on who they hire based on an illegal policy? You don't get out much, do you?
He didn't import those workers because I guarantee they were here before they were hired because they are legal immigrants. Stepped in your own assumptions, didn't you? The TDS is strong in you!
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The illegal immigrant is working for his money, the shop lifter is stealing the product to sell it off.
It's hard to say they are both the same for me....one willing to work and get paid for their labor, the other is just a lazy ass thief....to me...
Excluding illegals, Trump's business policies are inclusive to everyone. So he doesn't discriminate on race or colour, his businesses just hire the right candidates even if they're a foreigner, but you seem upset by this.
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What makes you think that all shoplifters are unemployed??
What makes you think all illegal immigrants work??
Employ an illegal immigrant in the UK, you will get fined upto £60,000 per worker
Penalties for employing illegal workers
You can receive an unlimited fine for employing an illegal worker - find out what happens and what you can do
Didn't he bring them to the USA, on visas for temp work at his hotel?
I had read years back a story on why they did that and it said they preferred foreign workers because they had more control over them and their work load and scheduling, than they could be with an American citizen.
Please STOP making these excuses....
honestly!!! If it were Biden or Obama or Clinton or Harris or anyone liberal you'd be hollering about it.....
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There are quotas under that program. They get TAXED under that program.
Same as we would working out of country.
You feel it's an excuse because it's fact. Lefties and facts clash.Please STOP making these excuses....
You seem to have ducked out on most of my post!!
He discriminates against AMERICAN WORKERS. You are not suppose to be able to get those foreign worker visas UNLESS Americans refuse to do the jobs offered and only then, apply to get the visa. Waitresses and waiters that are American would kill to work there, even just for the winter months.
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We can put a stop to that
We just finished dinner, I've been online for 10 minutes max....silly one....and unlike you, I research things and supply links for support....that takes time away from the thread!
Admiral Rockwell Tory
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Trump will day one. Anyone attempting to do so after January 20th should be apprehended by ICE and deported immediately.
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