What to do with the $800 billion the illegal aliens send home?

[Lisa558]

The numbers don't match Lisa's story....

$800 billion remittances, divided by say....20 million claimed illegals is each ilkegal, sending $40,000.00 back to their home countries each year......do you REALLY THINK each illegal makes $60 to $80k a year to be able to live and then send back half of their earnings? Seriously!! $40,000 a year sent back from each illegal???

Malarkey!

I posted the link from well-cited source. They aren’t MY numbers, they’re theirs.

 

[Coyote]

We actually don’t need illegal workers….they are self-serving.
We need all 50 million sent home….Look at the bright-side, the noncontributing self-serving underground tax free black market economy they’ve built within our legitimate economy would collapse immediately….as planned…concurrently, opportunity for real Americans would open wide, wages for real Americans would skyrocket, education and healthcare would improve immediately, social services would improve for blacks, emergency services / first response would improve, auto and healthcare premiums would fall, communities would be safer and cleaner, jails and prisons would empty out….Do you need me to continue?
Tell us how the aforementioned couldn’t/wouldn’t happen.

If we didn’t need them, they wouldn’t be here. There would be no jobs for them. Clearly we do need them. So open up a legal pathway for them to come and work. What is so hard about that!

 

[scruffy]

Yes, you read that right - the illegals, while costing us $150 billion a year, send home $800 billion a year. How should Trump use this to America’s benefit?

Option 1) Tax the remittances by 25%, thereby recapturing the fortune the illegals cost America taxpayers and use it to offset their costs

Option 2) Tax the remittances by 50%, thereby recapturing the fortune we spend on them AND using the balance to secure the border and pay for deportations of criminal aliens

Option 3) Block remittances entirely, which will hurt the originating country and pressure them to take back the illegals (as some countries have said they won’t), and use the money for border security, deportations, and more

https://www.weforum.org/stories/2023/02/remittances-money-world-bank/

Option 1 sounds very reasonable for everyone concerned.

 

[d0gbreath]

hahaha….sure you do. You assert that border agents whom are on camera every second of the day are waving illegals across without verifying their status?
That sounds totally believable.

It has been a few decades since I worked with those guys, so there are probably more cameras now. But it's like saying that the guards can't beat you to a pulp in prison because of all of the cameras.

There's always a work around. Do you have trouble palming a tightly rolled 32 C notes due to tiny hands? Bitcoin, or Venmo.

 

[WorldWatcher]

If you have a functioning E-verify that can catch phony documentation

But you just conceded we dont have a good system yet

I work in HR.

I know the current I-9 system doesn't work and E-Verify needs a major overhaul. But that's what we need is a mandatory system where employers can validate work authorization and reject hires if they don't pass.

WW

 

[WorldWatcher]

Option 1 sounds very reasonable for everyone concerned.

Except for those here legally and citizens that send money overseas that are paying the tax.

Other than that sure.

WW

 

[Lisa558]

I see the "/s" tag.

But if they have a valid passport to use, they are here legally. And I lot of citizens don't have passports. So again you are taxing legal people.

WW

That’s my point. The legal immigrants have a passport.

And citizens without passports obviously don’t have family to send money “home” to. If I immigrated legally from…..um…..Spain, I would have a passport because I would visit home on occasion.

 

[Arlette]

Not really...

Just make it a requirement on the US side of the transaction to check immigration status on-the-spot...

If you're a US citizen or you have a valid Green Card or valid Visa checked in real-time then there is no surcharge...

And that status-check is documented on the transaction's electronic record and held for a while in electronic archives...

Subject to auditing if-and-as desired by the Feds...

Fail to produce the appropriate documentation at transaction-time and you can still send the money...

It's just that you get hit for a 25% or 50% surcharge...

The transmitting agent keeps half of the surcharge and the Feds get the other half...

That'll make both the transmitting agent AND the Feds happy and it accomplishes the goal without a lot of new overhead...

How you gonna do that? Make every store clerk that sells a money order in this country responsible to check the immigration status of their customers?
Deporting illegals out of this country is gonna come with huge expenses attached to it, not some financial windfall from remittances.

 

[Lisa558]

So they show you their fake ID. Are you gonna ID check everybody brown or "illegal" looking. Your brain fart isn't workable.

We ID everyone. Nice attempt to try to accuse me of racism. Typical libtard.

 

[Arlette]

Someone knows

Otherwise how did libs make their studies bragging about how many taxes illegals pay?

Those are estimates.

 

[BrokeLoser]

And you're going to do this how?

All citizens would be "papers please". That's a truley small government solution.

WW

Do you really feel offended when you’re asked to show your iD to buy your handle of Titos or that case of Coors Light? Don’t you participate happily and see such an act as a safeguard to prevent children from buying booze?
Do you think good real core Americans would see being asked to prove citizenship any differently?

 

[Coyote]

Are you so retarded that you don’t understand I called you that because you called my OP retarded?

There are jobs because liberals give Americans a choice of welfare OR a job. Take away that choice, and Americans will take jobs.

That is beyond simplistic. Somewhere (and I’ll try to find source if you want) I read something in relation to work requirements for Medicare (and that falls under the general category of welfare). What they found were the vast majority of recipients either were already working, or had children or were caretakers in other capacities that prevented them from working or were disabled. That left a very small number of people that could fill those jobs.

 

[WorldWatcher]

That’s my point. The legal immigrants have a passport.

And citizens without passports obviously don’t have family to send money “home” to. If I immigrated legally from…..um…..Spain, I would have a passport because I would visit home on occasion.

So the illegal immigrants will stop using the methods that are being taxes for money transfers.

One option will be to purchase international crypto currency here. Then have a relative in the other country access the funds online. These people aren't stupid. If you shut down one method, they will use another. The only ones using the original method will be legal aliens and citizens - which you have said will be exempt. Exempt right?

WW

 

[eagle1462010]

If we didn’t need them, they wouldn’t be here. There would be no jobs for them. Clearly we do need them. So open up a legal pathway for them to come and work. What is so hard about that!

DOL is already there.

 

[Coyote]

Do you really feel offended when you’re asked to show your iD to buy your handle of Titos or that case of Coors Light? Don’t you participate happily and see such an act as a safeguard to prevent children from buying booze?
Do you think good real core Americans would see being asked to prove citizenship any differently?

In the old Soviet Union you had to provide papers for almost everything. Travel, crossing jurisdictions, everything. Is that really where you want to take us?

 

[Care4all]

That’s my point. The legal immigrants have a passport.

And citizens without passports obviously don’t have family to send money “home” to. If I immigrated legally from…..um…..Spain, I would have a passport because I would visit home on occasion.

FYI, Foreigners can enter by land or sea without a passport.....other IDs are okay....I just read.

 

[Coyote]

DOL is already there.

DOL?

 

[eagle1462010]

DOL?

Dept of labor

 

[WorldWatcher]

Do you really feel offended when you’re asked to show your iD to buy your handle of Titos or that case of Coors Light? Don’t you participate happily and see such an act as a safeguard to prevent children from buying booze?
Do you think good real core Americans would see being asked to prove citizenship any differently?

I don't get asked to show an ID to "buy your handle of Titos or that case of Coors Light".

Just bought bought a quart of Norwegian Mead yesterday at the liquor store, didn't show an ID then either.

WW

 

[Mac-7]

Kind of in line with the retarded OP. Everyone is all about going after illegal workers who are typically working sub minimum wage jobs but not so much the moneyed interests who rely on their labors. Just look at the topics on it. They wouldn’t come if there weren’t jobs. So, let’s tax remittances instead.

Taxing remittances is not meant to be the only tool in the bag

We should have the wall,

Same day deportations,

Remain in mexico,

Cooperation between ICE and sanctuary cities,

Proof of citizenship for all government services including hospitals and schools,

And more that I cant think of at the moment