What this great nation would be WITHOUT the EPA

[Dot Com]

or OSHA for that matter. A Randian utopia

China's suffocating blanket of smog even visible from space - NBC News.com

 

[percysunshine]

Isn't this kind of like asking the question 'What this great nation would be WITHOUT the Postal Service'?

At the time of inception, it was the right thing to do. Later on, it became a burden to society.

Every good idea has an expiration date. Some times the date is tomorrow, some times the date is 20 years from now.

 

[PredFan]

Isn't this kind of like asking the question 'What this great nation would be WITHOUT the Postal Service'?

At the time of inception, it was the right thing to do. Later on, it became a burden to society.

Every good idea has an expiration date. Some times the date is tomorrow, some times the date is 20 years from now.

Bingo!

 

[Dot Com]

Isn't this kind of like asking the question 'What this great nation would be WITHOUT the Postal Service'?

At the time of inception, it was the right thing to do. Later on, it became a burden to society.

Every good idea has an expiration date. Some times the date is tomorrow, some times the date is 20 years from now.

link?

 

[percysunshine]

Isn't this kind of like asking the question 'What this great nation would be WITHOUT the Postal Service'?

At the time of inception, it was the right thing to do. Later on, it became a burden to society.

Every good idea has an expiration date. Some times the date is tomorrow, some times the date is 20 years from now.

link?

You want a link to my opinion?

Are you Vulcan?

 

[orogenicman]

Isn't this kind of like asking the question 'What this great nation would be WITHOUT the Postal Service'?

At the time of inception, it was the right thing to do. Later on, it became a burden to society.

Every good idea has an expiration date. Some times the date is tomorrow, some times the date is 20 years from now.

There is no expiration date on protecting the environment and the health and safety of the people. Whatever gave you the idea that there is? The only burden is on the criminals who dump their toxic waste into our soil, lakes, and streams, and foul our groundwater (on which 40% of the population depends for drinking water) and the air we breathe.

 

[percysunshine]

Isn't this kind of like asking the question 'What this great nation would be WITHOUT the Postal Service'?

At the time of inception, it was the right thing to do. Later on, it became a burden to society.

Every good idea has an expiration date. Some times the date is tomorrow, some times the date is 20 years from now.

There is no expiration date on protecting the environment and the health and safety of the people. Whatever gave you the idea that there is? The only burden is on the criminals who dump their toxic waste into our soil, lakes, and streams, and foul our groundwater (on which 40% of the population depends for drinking water).

There is a practical expiration date to everything. Mostly because everything expires, all by itself, including the environment. Implying otherwise is silly.

 

[Dot Com]

Isn't this kind of like asking the question 'What this great nation would be WITHOUT the Postal Service'?

At the time of inception, it was the right thing to do. Later on, it became a burden to society.

Every good idea has an expiration date. Some times the date is tomorrow, some times the date is 20 years from now.

There is no expiration date on protecting the environment and the health and safety of the people. Whatever gave you the idea that there is? The only burden is on the criminals who dump their toxic waste into our soil, lakes, and streams, and foul our groundwater (on which 40% of the population depends for drinking water).

There is a practical expiration date to everything. Mostly because everything expires, all by itself, including the environment. Implying otherwise is silly.

put down the Drudge kool aid

contaminated aquifers remain that way for a looong time, if not forever.

 

[Stephanie]

good grief, like us humans wouldn't of advanced to cut down pollution if not for that wonderful Nanny guberment

 

[percysunshine]

There is no expiration date on protecting the environment and the health and safety of the people. Whatever gave you the idea that there is? The only burden is on the criminals who dump their toxic waste into our soil, lakes, and streams, and foul our groundwater (on which 40% of the population depends for drinking water).

There is a practical expiration date to everything. Mostly because everything expires, all by itself, including the environment. Implying otherwise is silly.

put down the Drudge kool aid

contaminated aquifers remain that way for a looong tome.

Yes, but there exists an age old legal remedy for contaminated aquifers. Unless, the definition of the word 'contaminated' changes, then we end up in rainbows of unicorns land.

 

[Dot Com]

how long will Fukushima remain contaminated?

 

[percysunshine]

how long will Fukushima remain contaminated?

Longer than your or my life time. The Japanese EPA could not stop Fukushima. So my US Postal Service analogy still holds.

 

[Mr Natural]

good grief, like us humans wouldn't of advanced to cut down pollution if not for that wonderful Nanny guberment

Because we can always count on corporate America to do the right thing.

Regardless of the cost.

 

[Dot Com]

good grief, like us humans wouldn't of advanced to cut down pollution if not for that wonderful Nanny guberment

Because we can always count on corporate America to do the right thing.

Regardless of the cost.

lol. I know right? XD

 

[orogenicman]

how long will Fukushima remain contaminated?

Longer than your or my life time. The Japanese EPA could not stop Fukushima. So my US Postal Service analogy still holds.

This assumes that ANYONE ELSE can predict and prevent a megathrust Earthquake and ensuing tsunami. Bad assumption. Bad analogy.

 

[orogenicman]

There is a practical expiration date to everything. Mostly because everything expires, all by itself, including the environment. Implying otherwise is silly.

put down the Drudge kool aid

contaminated aquifers remain that way for a looong tome.

Yes, but there exists an age old legal remedy for contaminated aquifers. Unless, the definition of the word 'contaminated' changes, then we end up in rainbows of unicorns land.

If your suggestion is that we stop using them, then you are going to have to explain to 140 million Americans (particularly out west) where they are going to get their drinking water, and where the farmers are going to get their irrigation water.

 

[westwall]

There is no expiration date on protecting the environment and the health and safety of the people. Whatever gave you the idea that there is? The only burden is on the criminals who dump their toxic waste into our soil, lakes, and streams, and foul our groundwater (on which 40% of the population depends for drinking water).

There is a practical expiration date to everything. Mostly because everything expires, all by itself, including the environment. Implying otherwise is silly.

put down the Drudge kool aid

contaminated aquifers remain that way for a looong time, if not forever.

That's true and the most egregious example of that was perpetrated by environmentalists on the state of California with their mandate to use MTBE as an oxygenate. Look it up, the environmentalists did more damage in 10 years than big oil did in the previous 100.

 

[orogenicman]

There is a practical expiration date to everything. Mostly because everything expires, all by itself, including the environment. Implying otherwise is silly.

put down the Drudge kool aid

contaminated aquifers remain that way for a looong time, if not forever.

That's true and the most egregious example of that was perpetrated by environmentalists on the state of California with their mandate to use MTBE as an oxygenate. Look it up, the environmentalists did more damage in 10 years than big oil did in the previous 100.

Actually, Caliifornia was looking to an additive to increase the oxidation of gasoline during the combustion process, but it was the oil companies who pushed MTBE because it was a waste product of the refining process. Adding it to gasoline solved their problem - in the short term. Meanwhile they made a killing at the pump until it was discovered that when it got into the groundwater and soil due to leaking storage tanks, the stuff was difficult to breakdown, and so was a persistent pollutant. That drove remediation costs up. So yeah, it should never have been used. But California wasn't the only state that used it. Many other states did as well.

Oh, and if you think that the MTBE situation cancelled out the last 100 years of environmental degradation caused by the petroleum industry, then you simply don't know what you are talking about. I spent 14 years of my life cleaning up their messes. What did you do? Right. Nothing at all.

 

[westwall]

how long will Fukushima remain contaminated?

A long time, but the dangerous ionizing radiation has passed. Now it's just a normal cleanup for the most part.

 

[westwall]

put down the Drudge kool aid

contaminated aquifers remain that way for a looong time, if not forever.

That's true and the most egregious example of that was perpetrated by environmentalists on the state of California with their mandate to use MTBE as an oxygenate. Look it up, the environmentalists did more damage in 10 years than big oil did in the previous 100.

Actually, Caliifornia was looking to an additive to increase the oxidation of gasoline during the combustion process, but it was the oil companies who pushed MTBE because it was a waste product of the refining process. Adding it to gasoline solved their problem - in the short term. Meanwhile they made a killing at the pump until it was discovered that when it got into the groundwater and soil due to leaking storage tanks, the stuff was difficult to breakdown, and so was a persistent pollutant. That drove remediation costs up. So yeah, it should never have been used. But California wasn't the only state that used it. Many other states did as well.

Oh, and if you think that the MTBE situation cancelled out the last 100 years of environmental degradation caused by the petroleum industry, then you simply don't know what you are talking about. I spent 14 years of my life cleaning up their messes. What did you do? Right. Nothing at all.

Wrong and wrong. I too have been cleaning up these messes for decades. Dames & Moore recruited me right out of Caltech and wanted me to work in the oil industry first to get an idea of what we would be up against. I am sure I have cleaned up more crap than you ever did, on more continents and in more places than you have even been to. And CARB and the enviro whacko's have been in bed for years, they are the ones who pushed it with help from Chevron who you are correct wanted to turn the MTBE they had to pay to get rid of into a additive they could get paid for. We warned them for years but they went ahead anyway. Which shows they are either stupid or in on it. I'll let you choose which one you believe.