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What the US can learn from New Zealand political discourse

zaangalewa

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That wasn't what I asked, you're a terrible reader.

Nevertheless I never use alcohol or drugs. To do so is easy - to reach this not so easy.

What kind of cancer do you have?

None - as far as I know in the moment. Do you have cancer?
 
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I feel sorry for all Patriots fighting for freedom in NZ.:(

And that's what you do in the USA to prevent mass-murder in NZ? Btw: Looks like if Anders Behring Breivick (Europe) never had existed this also had not happened in New Zealand. Violence nears violence. The concept "freedom fighter" is often nothing else than absurde. Freedom and peace belong together. And as far as I can see New Zealand is able to realize this without any big problems.
 
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?? What post did you give me a link? And my link was to hard data from the NZ government. Talk about not addressing something

So if overall crime is down, then that means gun laws worked even though most of those crimes didn't involve guns. And you don't see anything that isn't written to you, when you don't want to. Deflect, deflect, deflect. Obviously you don't really care, it's about leftist ideology, not what actually happens. Whatever

Well, if you ever are in NZ, go up to one of those patched guys and tell them they are nothing like the 'hard' dudes from Chicago's south side. Just make sure your health insurance is in order. Patched gang members and associates are up to about 30,000 in number in NZ. Too many when you look at the population of the country.

My God you're stupid. So if one guy in a New Zealand gang is as tough as one guy in a South Chicago gang, then New Zealand overall gang violence = Chicago overall violence. Yeah, that's what I meant.

You are a total imbecile. Seriously
 

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Who said I have bigotry? You know what an example is, right? That is what I was giving.

Who said you had to hate somebody to have racist or biased tendencies?

You did, you kept talking about how bigoted you are. Reread your posts, white guy. So if whites are racist, then why are you trying to benefit from it when you're white? Like all Democrats, you're a user

Your daughters could be smarter than me. They might not be. Dunno what that has to do with anything. You seem to think I'm advocating certain things. I'm not. I'm giving examples. I think the KKK are scum. I think Nazi's are too. As are diehard commies. As are the anti-white radical element of BLM.

The fact you're missing my point seems to lead me to the conclusion that maybe the smarts missed a generation in your family and went straight to your daughters - if they are as smart as you claim.

You're just so dumb it's sad. Racism is the belief that someone is inferior based on race. Once again basic reading failed you. That is a consistent pattern
 

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Nevertheless I never use alcohol or drugs. To do so is easy - to reach this not so easy.



None - as far as I know in the moment. Do you have cancer?

Bone marrow cancer and a bunch of other problems. Bone marrow cancer can be treated but not cured. The twice a week shots in my stomach are not fun. My apnia caused a bunch of other problems and put me in afib which caused more problems. I won't go through the rest of the list. As I said I'm on at least 10 medications for a bunch of serious medical conditions. I outlived my father at this point by almost a decade. I consider it gravy from here.

Your argument that you aren't on any medications and don't have cancer yet you don't stop lecturing me about it shows what an arrogant ass you are. That and that you asked a question and I answered it and you've been nothing but a dick about it. It's just how you roll. You know everything about everything, and you live to tell people so
 

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So if overall crime is down, then that means gun laws worked even though most of those crimes didn't involve guns. And you don't see anything that isn't written to you, when you don't want to. Deflect, deflect, deflect. Obviously you don't really care, it's about leftist ideology, not what actually happens. Whatever



My God you're stupid. So if one guy in a New Zealand gang is as tough as one guy in a South Chicago gang, then New Zealand overall gang violence = Chicago overall violence. Yeah, that's what I meant.

You are a total imbecile. Seriously
Talk about ideology. You are comparing NZ's attitudes towards guns to the US attitudes. I get the difference, you don't because you are so caught up in your conservative ideology you can't see the forest for the trees. Gun culture is ingrained in US culture just like having breakfast in the morning and supper at night. Very few NZers even think about guns, let alone give consideration to whether they even want one or not. We trust our democratic institutions, even though we bitch and moan about our govt like everybody else. The US (especially you right-wing loons) think the govt are always out to get you, which is why you want your peashooters.

No, you missed my last point completely. Talk about being lobotomised....surprised you can string two sentences together. You're as dumb as a sack of rocks.
 

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You did, you kept talking about how bigoted you are. Reread your posts, white guy. So if whites are racist, then why are you trying to benefit from it when you're white? Like all Democrats, you're a user



You're just so dumb it's sad. Racism is the belief that someone is inferior based on race. Once again basic reading failed you. That is a consistent pattern
In your last to me, you said, "Yeah, that's what I meant" just prior to calling me an idiot. In the above you say "so if whites are racist", inferring that I was talking about whites. Go reread the post. I said EVERYONE. Even cited other races.

Exactly. And most people believe their race to be superior. For some it is only in terms of the food they eat ("my race's cuisine is better than the slop your race serves"), through to full blown racial superiority (more intelligent, better food, better morals, better looking etc).

You keep on calling me dumb, yet in every post you're beating me in a race to the bottom. Well done, thicko...
 

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You are comparing NZ's attitudes towards guns to the US attitudes

You stupid lying fuck. This whole discussion has me saying the UNITED STATEES IS NOT NEW ZEALAND and you saying we are. You don't need guns, so we don't. Yes, you are an empty twat
 

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In your last to me, you said, "Yeah, that's what I meant" just prior to calling me an idiot. In the above you say "so if whites are racist", inferring that I was talking about whites. Go reread the post. I said EVERYONE. Even cited other races.

Exactly. And most people believe their race to be superior. For some it is only in terms of the food they eat ("my race's cuisine is better than the slop your race serves"), through to full blown racial superiority (more intelligent, better food, better morals, better looking etc).

You keep on calling me dumb, yet in every post you're beating me in a race to the bottom. Well done, thicko...

You keep arguing whites are racist and you want credit and handouts for it. If you're a racist, as you keep claiming, why should you benefit from that?
 

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Not sure what that has to do with my post, but I agree. Democrats are going beyond even socialist countries of history. The Soviets, Chinese, North Koreans, Cubans, Venezuelan communists even never tried to destroy their own country
Where's the evidence they are destroying the country?
You've fallen into the herd mentality and simply believe that the election of the democrats has immediately put the economy into a downward spiral.
It is not true. You're just bashing drmocrats with hatred and lies.
 

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You can call me a slave, a subject, a citizen, an acolyte or whatever. They are just names and irrelevant. What matters is, 'do I have more freedoms that you?' Not on paper, but in reality. The answer? Why, yes I do.

The serf not realizing they are a serf.
 

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You stupid lying fuck. This whole discussion has me saying the UNITED STATEES IS NOT NEW ZEALAND and you saying we are. You don't need guns, so we don't. Yes, you are an empty twat
Your problem is you are shit at articulating your POV. You think you're the smartest guy in the room, yet you can hardly put together two sentences that make sense. You are a tool.
 

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You keep arguing whites are racist and you want credit and handouts for it. If you're a racist, as you keep claiming, why should you benefit from that?
I didn't say that. Christ, are you going for "dumbest poster of the day" every day? Give it a rest. You win.
 

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Where's the evidence they are destroying the country?
You've fallen into the herd mentality and simply believe that the election of the democrats has immediately put the economy into a downward spiral.
It is not true. You're just bashing drmocrats with hatred and lies.
Yep. That's about the level of the debate. Hell, no one even knows if BLM are left leaning. Same with Antifa (who aren't even a real group, just some designation the media/govt have give a group of similar peoples who basically hate all political groups - left and right). The left and normal people see this. The Deplorables? Not so much. Not the sharpest knives in the drawers.
 

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Bone marrow cancer

Knochenmarksskrebs? ... Hmm ... Myelomatose ... Got it.

and a bunch of other problems. Bone marrow cancer can be treated but not cured.

The twice a week shots in my stomach are not fun.

That's not a symptom of bone marrow cancer.

My apnia caused a bunch of other problems and put me in afib which caused more problems.

¿Apnia = Apnea? ¿afib = artria fibrilation?

I won't go through the rest of the list. As I said I'm on at least 10 medications for a bunch of serious medical conditions. I outlived my father at this point by almost a decade. I consider it gravy from here.

Your argument that you aren't on any medications and don't have cancer yet you don't stop lecturing me about it shows what an arrogant ass you are.

No. It shows that I don't think someone is able to know whether marijuana really helps and someone who smokes marijuana destroys the own brain. In general I'm against all forms of mind manipulating drugs including alcohol.

That and that you asked a question and I answered it and you've been nothing but a dick about it.

I don't have any idea what you say here concrete.

It's just how you roll. You know everything about everything, and you live to tell people so

I'm sure I know a lot - but not enough. Unfortunatelly I don't know how to cure myelomatosis. If I would know I would tell you. But this is not any argument at all for free drugs for everyone. Your sickness makes it just simple impossible to discuss with you about all the problems in this context. Do what you are convinced to do and listen to your doctors.
 

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If you're agreeing they are confiscating guns ... and I agree they have not confiscated all guns, then we're good
Buying back is not confiscating.
 

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And so since there are no guns to confiscate from honest New Zealanders because none of you care about guns, why is crime going up since they did?
What guns have been confiscated?
 

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That subsidies, handouts, entitlements, and government mandates literally destroyed the economy and crippled the country with taxes and national debt for decades? NZ recovered by turning their back on the grand post war socialist experiment riddled with cronyism.
What ludicrous wibble. The 70s oil shock and the UK joining the EU 'destroyed' NZ's economy. Neo liberal destruction of the labour movement has reduced the living standards of many.
 

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I feel sorry for all Patriots fighting for freedom in NZ.
Lol. Best you feel sorry for your own lack of freedom. Especially your lack of freedom to concede other people are actually more free than Americans.

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