What the US can learn from New Zealand political discourse

[zaangalewa]

Correll

What exactly do you like to say with your laughter, poor guy?

 

[Correll]

Correll

What exactly do you like to say with your laughter, poor guy?

Capitalism is the system that created the wealth that build this great nation, and it has been the money fountain that has been the economic engine for the rest of the world, since at least WWII.


Saying Capitalism doesn't work, is like saying "eating food doesn't work".

 

[zaangalewa]

Correll

What exactly do you like to say with your laughter, poor guy?

Capitalism is the system

Capitalim is a system? And I thought it is a religion praying to the god money. Credo "Everything has a price without bad consequences as long as you are rich enough".

that created the wealth

Thanks of motors and electricity life is more easy today.

that build this great nation,

The USA is a country in the size of a continent - and needs 50% of ressources which are outside of the USA. All mankind would need much more than only one planet, if everyone would live in the "American way of life" - And I fear most lifes in the USA are anything else than a life in a wonderful dream.

and it has been the money fountain that has been the economic engine for the rest of the world, since at least WWII.

What a nonsense. You doubled you economy in world war 1 ... and I guess you also did do so in world war 2 and the cold war too. To make money with wars is the most deepest level of human civilisation.

Saying Capitalism doesn't work, is like saying "eating food doesn't work".

Capitalism doesn't work. Capitalism - or with other words: senseless greed - kills all life on planet Earth.

 

[francoHFW]

is because we no longer have Murdoch-owned press in New Zealand,

Well your hero did say, “the meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism”.

Nobody who knows what socialism means is against it. We are all socialists now!--President of Finland when Obamacare passed. Socialism is simply always democratic, fair capitalism with a good safety net like every other modern country has but us.. Only brainwashed functional morons like you who thinks it means Communism.

 

[francoHFW]

Correll

What exactly do you like to say with your laughter, poor guy?

Capitalism is the system that created the wealth that build this great nation, and it has been the money fountain that has been the economic engine for the rest of the world, since at least WWII.


Saying Capitalism doesn't work, is like saying "eating food doesn't work".

Socialism as understood everywhere except English speaking countries is always democratic fair capitalism with a good safety net. We are all socialists now! - - president of Finland when Obamacare passed. He did not understand the scum the GOP is the last 30 40 years....

 

[zaangalewa]

is because we no longer have Murdoch-owned press in New Zealand,

Well your hero did say, “the meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism”.

Nobody who knows what socialism means is against it. We are all socialists now!

I not!

--President of Finland when Obamacare passed.

In modern times an health insurance for everyone has nothing to do with socialism but with humanity (and/or sprituality and civilisation). The question is only how to realize this in the best of all possible ways.

Socialism is simply always democratic, fair capitalism with a good safety net like every other modern country has but us.. Only brainwashed functional morons like you who thinks it means Communism.

Who knows the former "real existing socialism" in the East of Europe will no agree with you. SociaIism is damned dangerous because of its brainwashing mind manipulations.

 

[theHawk]

is because we no longer have Murdoch-owned press in New Zealand,

Well your hero did say, “the meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism”.

Nobody who knows what socialism means is against it. We are all socialists now!--President of Finland when Obamacare passed. Socialism is simply always democratic, fair capitalism with a good safety net like every other modern country has but us.. Only brainwashed functional morons like you who thinks it means Communism.

No, that’s what Karl Marx said about socialism.

“The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism”.

Socialism is all about power and maintaining it by manipulating the people with lies.

 

[Dr Grump]

Capitalism is the system that created the wealth that build this great nation, and it has been the money fountain that has been the economic engine for the rest of the world, since at least WWII.


Saying Capitalism doesn't work, is like saying "eating food doesn't work".

and how many Americans actually benefit from its 'greatness'?

 

[francoHFW]

is because we no longer have Murdoch-owned press in New Zealand,

Well your hero did say, “the meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism”.

Nobody who knows what socialism means is against it. We are all socialists now!

I not!

--President of Finland when Obamacare passed.

In modern times an health insurance for everyone has nothing to do with socialism but with humanity (and/or sprituality and civilisation). The question is only how to realize this in the best of all possible ways.

Socialism is simply always democratic, fair capitalism with a good safety net like every other modern country has but us.. Only brainwashed functional morons like you who thinks it means Communism.

Who knows the former "real existing socialism" in the East of Europe will no agree with you. SociaIism is damned dangerous because of its brainwashing mind manipulations.

That is communism, brainwashed functional moron. Or pure socialism which needs a dictatorship to keep it in line. Nobody wants it except with a gun to their head these days. France Germany Italy Spain etc etc have all had socialists and communist parties at the same time, and the difference is democracy and all that entails. But carry on with the confusion lol. The English and the American conservatives are great at this misinformation.

 

[francoHFW]

is because we no longer have Murdoch-owned press in New Zealand,

Well your hero did say, “the meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism”.

Nobody who knows what socialism means is against it. We are all socialists now!--President of Finland when Obamacare passed. Socialism is simply always democratic, fair capitalism with a good safety net like every other modern country has but us.. Only brainwashed functional morons like you who thinks it means Communism.

No, that’s what Karl Marx said about socialism.

“The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism”.

Socialism is all about power and maintaining it by manipulating the people with lies.

Marks was wrong about everything. Every socialist party in a democracy ever was for democracy. The first people the communists and Nazis killed.

 

[MadChemist]

is because we no longer have Murdoch-owned press in New Zealand,

Well your hero did say, “the meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism”.

Nobody who knows what socialism means is against it. We are all socialists now!--President of Finland when Obamacare passed. Socialism is simply always democratic, fair capitalism with a good safety net like every other modern country has but us.. Only brainwashed functional morons like you who thinks it means Communism.

No, that’s what Karl Marx said about socialism.

“The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism”.

Socialism is all about power and maintaining it by manipulating the people with lies.

Marks was wrong about everything. Every socialist party in a democracy ever was for democracy. The first people the communists and Nazis killed.

Who is Marks ?

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

There is nothing as corrosive and damaging to the American political discourse as the right wing alternative facts machine.

“When you look at the numbers, New Zealanders have essentially been satisfied with their government since 1999,” said Stephen Mills, the head of UMR, Labour’s polling firm. That period had spanned two Labour and two centre-right National prime ministers – including Ardern – all of whom had led fairly moderate governments.

“A huge reason that our politics is not so extremely polarised and so far out there is because we no longer have Murdoch-owned press in New Zealand, and it’s never taken a foothold,” said David Cormack, the co-founder of a public relations firm and a former head of policy and communications for the left-leaning Green party.

Why New Zealand rejected populist ideas other nations have embraced

Yes, they use the British system where the government has far more control over the press than American governments do.

I hope the people of New Zealand get what lefty governments always end up giving them, less freedom, more taxes, more government.

Give it to them GOOD AND HARD.

Move there, you SJW cuck.

They're there already
And just as totalitarian as the Canadians ,Australians, and Brits

The whole anglosphere has turned left wing totalitarian authoritarian fascist
I keep telling yas ...the anglosphere is completely shot

They're friggin disarmed to
The citizens are getting steamrolled

 

[zaangalewa]

is because we no longer have Murdoch-owned press in New Zealand,

Well your hero did say, “the meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism”.

Nobody who knows what socialism means is against it. We are all socialists now!

I not!

--President of Finland when Obamacare passed.

In modern times an health insurance for everyone has nothing to do with socialism but with humanity (and/or sprituality and civilisation). The question is only how to realize this in the best of all possible ways.

Socialism is simply always democratic, fair capitalism with a good safety net like every other modern country has but us.. Only brainwashed functional morons like you who thinks it means Communism.

Who knows the former "real existing socialism" in the East of Europe will no agree with you. SociaIism is damned dangerous because of its brainwashing mind manipulations.

That is communism, brainwashed functional moron.

If you think so, Blindniete ... ah sorry: "pop rivet". ... I fear "spearwords" which your Germanic dialect falsely calls "swearwords" lose a lot via translation. The communication with spearwords was by the way very popular in middle age cities.

Or pure socialism which needs a dictatorship to keep it in line.

Tyrants, oligarchs and political elites are still the normal way of rulerships. The world will not win a lot by replacing nobels with superrich people. And the world wins also not a lot with a wide spread fanatism under unprivileged "plebescitarian" parts of the human societies

Nobody wants it except with a gun to their head these days.

Today people like to force others to have to use their forms of languages for example, because for the materialists of the world a word is the same as the background of a word. They change words and think they change worlds.

France Germany Italy Spain etc etc have all had socialists and communist parties at the same time,

In France, Germany and Italy communists never were very sucessful - but the defence reactions caused a lot of problems. And the socialism in the East of Europe was made from the Russian tyrants of "the international".

and the difference is democracy and all that entails. But carry on with the confusion lol. The English and the American conservatives are great at this misinformation.

I am a German. I call Stalin and Hitler often "den linken und rechten Kauknochen des Teufels" = "the left and right jawbone of the devil". Everyone expects that a wild animal tries to beat him top-down - and not left-right - what explains partially the helplessness of the victims. It gave many good reasons to fight against Stalin - and many did do so - and it gave many good reasons to fight against Hitler - and also many did do this - but in the end they all fell because of a very strange agonistic-antagonistic structure. Or to say it with the words of Epicurus: If you like to be happy keep far from mighty leaders and their people. Today the so called "lefts" let no one to be unpolitical any longer. I was very shocked when I read for example a short time ago in Germany how an "antifascistic" artist said all artists are criminals, who don't express a clear political opinion with their arts. Somehow remembered me this successless, extremist, anti-creative opinion to another untalented artist of the German history - a man, who had painted insufficient, so he was not accepted to be a student in the academy of arts in Vienna. I ask myselve by the way what could be more worse: to use the word "black" or to use the word "negroe" or just simple to be like Lutz Long and Jesse Owens.

 

[Blues Man]

New Zealand population 4 million people 40 million sheep

I would say 44 million sheep

can't even get the population right..

can't even get the population right..

Well, you know, deplorable demographics...

New Zealand Population (2024) - Worldometer

Population of New Zealand: current, historical, and projected population, growth rate, immigration, median age, total fertility rate (TFR), population density, urbanization, urban population, country's share of world population, and global rank. Data tables, maps, charts, and live population clock

www.worldometers.info

BFD 4.8 million all that does is add to the sheep population

 

[2aguy]

There is nothing as corrosive and damaging to the American political discourse as the right wing alternative facts machine.

“When you look at the numbers, New Zealanders have essentially been satisfied with their government since 1999,” said Stephen Mills, the head of UMR, Labour’s polling firm. That period had spanned two Labour and two centre-right National prime ministers – including Ardern – all of whom had led fairly moderate governments.

“A huge reason that our politics is not so extremely polarised and so far out there is because we no longer have Murdoch-owned press in New Zealand, and it’s never taken a foothold,” said David Cormack, the co-founder of a public relations firm and a former head of policy and communications for the left-leaning Green party.

Why New Zealand rejected populist ideas other nations have embraced

Comparing the U.S. with a population of 320 million people with multiple racial and ethnic groups with a world wide responsibility to a tiny island of 4 million people, with very little racial conflict....is just dumb.......

 

[Mac-7]

There’s an old saying that ignorance is bliss

And that would seem to apply to new zealsnd

 

[zaangalewa]

There’s an old saying that ignorance is bliss

And that would seem to apply to new zealsnd

You use the word "ignorance"? Do you know what ignorance is, ignorant?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

There is nothing as corrosive and damaging to the American political discourse as the right wing alternative facts machine.

“When you look at the numbers, New Zealanders have essentially been satisfied with their government since 1999,” said Stephen Mills, the head of UMR, Labour’s polling firm. That period had spanned two Labour and two centre-right National prime ministers – including Ardern – all of whom had led fairly moderate governments.

“A huge reason that our politics is not so extremely polarised and so far out there is because we no longer have Murdoch-owned press in New Zealand, and it’s never taken a foothold,” said David Cormack, the co-founder of a public relations firm and a former head of policy and communications for the left-leaning Green party.

Why New Zealand rejected populist ideas other nations have embraced

This post is beyond dumb. The left control about 95% of the media and you morons focus on the 5%

 

[Correll]

Correll

What exactly do you like to say with your laughter, poor guy?

Capitalism is the system

Capitalim is a system? And I thought it is a religion praying to the god money. Credo "Everything has a price without bad consequences as long as you are rich enough".

that created the wealth

Thanks of motors and electricity life is more easy today.

that build this great nation,

The USA is a country in the size of a continent - and needs 50% of ressources which are outside of the USA. All mankind would need much more than only one planet, if everyone would live in the "American way of life" - And I fear most lifes in the USA are anything else than a life in a wonderful dream.

and it has been the money fountain that has been the economic engine for the rest of the world, since at least WWII.

What a nonsense. You doubled you economy in world war 1 ... and I guess you also did do so in world war 2 and the cold war too. To make money with wars is the most deepest level of human civilisation.

Saying Capitalism doesn't work, is like saying "eating food doesn't work".

Capitalism doesn't work. Capitalism - or with other words: senseless greed - kills all life on planet Earth.

Wars encourage investment in industry. In both world wars, our factories were out of reach of the enemy so, all our investments were building up, not replacing or repairing.


Lucky. NOt a flaw of capitalism. Hell, the Soviets invested a lot in industry too, during wwii.


Anyhow, materially speaking, life over here is doing fine. I live in a rust belt city and it is green as hell. If it were not for the divisive bs from the left, life here would be quite good.

 

[francoHFW]

There is nothing as corrosive and damaging to the American political discourse as the right wing alternative facts machine.

“When you look at the numbers, New Zealanders have essentially been satisfied with their government since 1999,” said Stephen Mills, the head of UMR, Labour’s polling firm. That period had spanned two Labour and two centre-right National prime ministers – including Ardern – all of whom had led fairly moderate governments.

“A huge reason that our politics is not so extremely polarised and so far out there is because we no longer have Murdoch-owned press in New Zealand, and it’s never taken a foothold,” said David Cormack, the co-founder of a public relations firm and a former head of policy and communications for the left-leaning Green party.

Why New Zealand rejected populist ideas other nations have embraced

This post is beyond dumb. The left control about 95% of the media and you morons focus on the 5%

Sorry about reality and journalism, brainwashed functional moron. Rupert Murdoch is scum and seems to be running the GOP these days along with internet nutjobs.