What the US can learn from New Zealand political discourse

[Correll]

Correll

What exactly do you like to say with your laughter, poor guy?

Capitalism is the system that created the wealth that build this great nation, and it has been the money fountain that has been the economic engine for the rest of the world, since at least WWII.


Saying Capitalism doesn't work, is like saying "eating food doesn't work".

Socialism as understood everywhere except English speaking countries is always democratic fair capitalism with a good safety net. We are all socialists now! - - president of Finland when Obamacare passed. He did not understand the scum the GOP is the last 30 40 years....

NOt really. Is the primary driver of our economy government investment or private capital?

 

[cnm]

"Damaging" mean declining to adopt the leftwing boondoggles.

Rather, 'Damaging' would appear to mean occupying lower positions on country rankings for various beneficial attributes.

 

[Correll]

Capitalism is the system that created the wealth that build this great nation, and it has been the money fountain that has been the economic engine for the rest of the world, since at least WWII.


Saying Capitalism doesn't work, is like saying "eating food doesn't work".

and how many Americans actually benefit from its 'greatness'?

Quite a lot. Should be even more, imo, but we can't seem to focus on the real issues to have real policy discussions.

 

[cnm]

There’s an old saying that ignorance is bliss

And that would seem to apply to new zealsnd

I reckon. About 140 days since the last case of community transmission of COVID. What bliss.

 

[JustAGuy1]

There is nothing as corrosive and damaging to the American political discourse as the right wing alternative facts machine.

“When you look at the numbers, New Zealanders have essentially been satisfied with their government since 1999,” said Stephen Mills, the head of UMR, Labour’s polling firm. That period had spanned two Labour and two centre-right National prime ministers – including Ardern – all of whom had led fairly moderate governments.

“A huge reason that our politics is not so extremely polarised and so far out there is because we no longer have Murdoch-owned press in New Zealand, and it’s never taken a foothold,” said David Cormack, the co-founder of a public relations firm and a former head of policy and communications for the left-leaning Green party.

Why New Zealand rejected populist ideas other nations have embraced

^^^^^^Moron alert. Try and shut down dissent boi.

 

[cnm]

The left control about 95% of the media and you morons focus on the 5%

Doesn't the WSJ have the largest daily circulation?

 

[Mac-7]

I reckon. About 140 days since the last case of community transmission of COVID. What bliss.

Maybe so

But the chinese disease is not what I was referring to

Libs are calibrating the fact that new zealand does not get both sides of the story in their local media

I think they will pay a price for that in time

 

[Dragonlady]

I guess you are leaning in the socialist direction for this country.

Stop guessing because every time you do, you guess WRONG. He said NOTHING about socialism. He's talking about Murdoch Press empire which is promoting lies, racism, and populism around the world.

 

[Dragonlady]

Rupert Murdock owns Fox and who knows what else. Kiwi's are cool and taught me how to play snooker in Hong Kong. I think Rupert Murdock died so his family owns Fox.

Rupert Murdoch is very much alive, and in control. He has passed much of the day to day operations to his children, but make no mistake, Murdoch is still directing his empire, and his children show no inclination to change the direction of the business operations.

 

[Mac-7]

Top British lawmaker fears China has split New Zealand from Five Eyes allies

China has used its economic influence in New Zealand to drive a wedge between New Zealand and other members of a crucial, U.S.-led intelligence-sharing network, some Western officials fear.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[cnm]

They're friggin disarmed to

Deplorable ignorance would be charming in its naïveté if it wasn't so sure of itself.

Oh well.

 

[cnm]

Libs are calibrating the fact that new zealand does not get both sides of the story in their local media

Your ignorance is matched only by your lack of curiosity.

 

[cnm]

Top British lawmaker fears China has split New Zealand from Five Eyes allies

China has used its economic influence in New Zealand to drive a wedge between New Zealand and other members of a crucial, U.S.-led intelligence-sharing network, some Western officials fear.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

“New Zealand is a great example of that: They've just left large parts of the Five Eyes community. Who would have ever thought that would have happened?” British lawmaker Tobias Ellwood, who chairs the defense committee in the House of Commons, told the London-based Council on Geostrategy this week.​

You'll believe any rubbish you're fed from your right wing media. NZ is still a full member of the 5 eyes. You guys are fed so much bullshit you haven't a clue. Then you lap it up and ask for more.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

You'll believe any rubbish you're fed from your right wing media. NZ is still a full member of the 5 eyes. You guys are fed so much bullshit you haven't a clue. Then you lap it up and ask for more.

Tell it to Tobias Elwood.

 

[Mac-7]

You'll believe any rubbish you're fed from your right wing media.

You are offering rubbish from leftwing media that you expect us all to accept as fact

The problem is the growing dominance of big bad china over tiny little New Zealand

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

The American Press is part of the crazy Democrat Cult hate machine.
They lie, distort and smear all of the time.
The sad thing is that there are people who trust the News to be honest.

 

[bripat9643]

"Damaging" mean declining to adopt the leftwing boondoggles.

Rather, 'Damaging' would appear to mean occupying lower positions on country rankings for various beneficial attributes.

Such as?

 

[bripat9643]

"Damaging" mean declining to adopt the leftwing boondoggles.

Rather, 'Damaging' would appear to mean occupying lower positions on country rankings for various beneficial attributes.

NO, it doesn't mean that.

 

[Dragonlady]

I reckon. About 140 days since the last case of community transmission of COVID. What bliss.

Maybe so

But the chinese disease is not what I was referring to

Libs are calibrating the fact that new zealand does not get both sides of the story in their local media

I think they will pay a price for that in time

That's not what they're saying at ALL. First off, FOX News isn't giving you "other side of the story" at all. FOX is feed you lies, distortions and bullshit: Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi being a prime example; Caravans, being another. FOX is an outrage machine lying about immigration, covid, the election, and even promoting Trump's birther campaign against the Obama's.

Trump and the rest of the billionaire owned right wing media outlets are promoting lies and bullshit because Rupert Murdoch, the Mercer Family and the Sinclair Family, who essentially own far right conservative outlets, are all personally benefitting from Republican tax cuts.

The FOX News licensing application calls the station an "entertainment" outlet, rather than a news station, because FOX does not subscribe to established journalistic standards of fact checking and verifications. FOX News in the USA is one failed fact check away from being rated a "Questionable Source".

The MSM is not as "biased" as you've been brainwashed into believing, and they are run in accordance with established journalistic standards of verification and evidence which FOX eschews because they're not interested in providing you with "the other side of the story", they're in the business of ginning up outrage against leftist policies.

Study after study shows that viewers of FOX News are LESS informed about current events than people who don't read or follow news and current events. Hospital staff said FOX News viewers going to hospital for covid had no idea about the dangers of the disease and were convinced that hospital staff were keeping them from their loved ones to perpetuate the "hoax".

A Rigorous Scientific Look Into The 'Fox News Effect'

What is the Fox News effect? What causes it? This question was originally answered on Quora by William Poundstone.

www.forbes.com

Survey: NPR's listeners best-informed, Fox viewers worst-informed - Poynter

From person-to-person coaching and intensive hands-on seminars to interactive online courses and media reporting, Poynter helps journalists sharpen skills and elevate storytelling throughout their careers.

www.poynter.org

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

It's a good thing our founders were willing to think for themselves, unlike those who are okay with New Zealand's PM telling everyone to not think for themselves or question ANYTHING from the government's cake hole.