CDZ What should we do?
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Need 10 votes from Demon-crats.
fncceo
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Always someone else's fault=republican policy.
C_Clayton_Jones
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Trump should end this hatful, unwarranted policy immediately – needless to say he won’t.
What we should do is follow the law.
Those who come to the United States seeking asylum in good faith have violated no laws when they enter the country absent authorization, they are neither ‘illegal’ nor are they ‘criminals’ – indeed, that’s what it is to be a refugee: that the situation in your country is so perilous that waiting for authorization is not warranted, that’s why US immigration laws are written to accommodate refugees.
Once screened as potentially eligible for refugee status, those seeking asylum are issued the appropriate documents and allowed to wait for a determination of their refugee claim outside detention, no need to take children from their parents.
That’s why the wrongheaded policy of taking children from their families as some sort of ‘deterrent’ is a crisis of Trump’s own making, and why Trump is solely responsible for this unmitigated disaster.
Had Trump simply followed existing immigration law he wouldn’t have added yet another failure to his already failed ‘administration.’
Of course, Trump has nothing but contempt for the law.
What we should do is follow the law.
Those who come to the United States seeking asylum in good faith have violated no laws when they enter the country absent authorization, they are neither ‘illegal’ nor are they ‘criminals’ – indeed, that’s what it is to be a refugee: that the situation in your country is so perilous that waiting for authorization is not warranted, that’s why US immigration laws are written to accommodate refugees.
Once screened as potentially eligible for refugee status, those seeking asylum are issued the appropriate documents and allowed to wait for a determination of their refugee claim outside detention, no need to take children from their parents.
That’s why the wrongheaded policy of taking children from their families as some sort of ‘deterrent’ is a crisis of Trump’s own making, and why Trump is solely responsible for this unmitigated disaster.
Had Trump simply followed existing immigration law he wouldn’t have added yet another failure to his already failed ‘administration.’
Of course, Trump has nothing but contempt for the law.
C_Clayton_Jones
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But they won’t.
The reprehensible policy of taking children from their parents was intended to be some sort of ‘deterrent’ – a failed, hateful, bigoted effort by Trump to stop immigrants coming to the United States.
And Congressional Republicans are too frightened of their hateful, bigoted base to take any action; they’d rather children suffer than face the anger of rightwing bigots this November.
JoeB131
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Go back to treating this like a civil matter.
Here was the problem. When these people were caught before doing this, we simply released them on their own recognizance, and most of them showed up for their hearings because they really wanted asylum.
So Trump and Sessions said, "No, let's lock them up until we can resolve their cases!" without doing two very sensible things.
1) Have enough hearing judges to resolve these cases in a prompt manner.
2) Have enough space to house these people until you get around to final dispositions of their case.
Instead, Trump and company doubled down by yanking children from their parents/guardians, just to be extra mean-spirited about the thing, and lo and behold, now he has a backlash to his own cruelty and lack of planning.
So Laura wasn't emotional? Fair enough.
Mac1958
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Thank you for asking such a reasonable question.
We should do what adults should always do when confronted with a problem: Communicate, collaborate, think, create, drop the ideologies, and work together. Take it one step at a time.
Coyote was kind enough to offer some specific ideas in post 20 here: CDZ - The Truth about Separating Kids
However, since we have lost the skills required for normal communication and collaboration, and because we care more about leveraging political advantage than in actually solving problems, who knows what will actually happen.
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No reason at all anyone should care about other people's children, it's the kids' fault for picking their parents...
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No reason at all anyone should care about other people's children, it's the kids' fault for picking their parents...
Didn't take long to go full Godwin ... I had 15 minutes in the pool.
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So tell us how many you're signing up to sponsor. Demonstrate some real concern, instead of just lying on the internet about your fake 'humanitarianism' like all the other 'humanitarians' that wouldn't be caught dead sponsoring any of these 'refugees'. There really aren't that many in this latest fake wave your Party generated for a few photo ops and then left the building compared to the numbers of Democrats running around trying to pretend they're 'outraged' or something, mostly just bad acting like Maddow's ludicrous display of fake acting.
I didnt vote because it would only allow me to choose one and I would have chosen both.
1. Trump created this current situation. He cooked up the policy that is the cause of so much grief right now. He can remove it just as easily. It is a policy. If part of his rationale was to force his legislative wishlist through congress then that is abhorant. Using the abuse of children in this way is just plain unreal and inhuman to me. He easily end what he started.
2. The larger issue needs to be addressed, but not tied to this immediate one. We have had multiple attempts at immigration reform attempted and cut down. It needs to be bipartisin and comorehensive and frankly should be done in a thoughtful manner that includes input from all sectors affected by immigration, not just politicians.
3. DACA should be adressed on its own not tied to other thingss. Those kids need some certainty as to their future.
1. Trump created this current situation. He cooked up the policy that is the cause of so much grief right now. He can remove it just as easily. It is a policy. If part of his rationale was to force his legislative wishlist through congress then that is abhorant. Using the abuse of children in this way is just plain unreal and inhuman to me. He easily end what he started.
2. The larger issue needs to be addressed, but not tied to this immediate one. We have had multiple attempts at immigration reform attempted and cut down. It needs to be bipartisin and comorehensive and frankly should be done in a thoughtful manner that includes input from all sectors affected by immigration, not just politicians.
3. DACA should be adressed on its own not tied to other thingss. Those kids need some certainty as to their future.
A lot of them dont come from Mexico.
I didnt vote because it would only allow me to choose one and I would have chosen both.
1. Trump created this current situation. He cooked up the policy that is the cause of so much grief right now. He can remove it just as easily. It is a policy. If part of his rationale was to force his legislative wishlist through congress then that is abhorant. Using the abuse of children in this way is just plain unreal and inhuman to me. He easily end what he started.
2. The larger issue needs to be addressed, but not tied to this immediate one. We have had multiple attempts at immigration reform attempted and cut down. It needs to be bipartisin and comorehensive and frankly should be done in a thoughtful manner that includes input from all sectors affected by immigration, not just politicians.
3. DACA should be adressed on its own not tied to other thingss. Those kids need some certainty as to their future.
1. Trump created this current situation. He cooked up the policy that is the cause of so much grief right now. He can remove it just as easily. It is a policy. If part of his rationale was to force his legislative wishlist through congress then that is abhorant. Using the abuse of children in this way is just plain unreal and inhuman to me. He easily end what he started.
2. The larger issue needs to be addressed, but not tied to this immediate one. We have had multiple attempts at immigration reform attempted and cut down. It needs to be bipartisin and comorehensive and frankly should be done in a thoughtful manner that includes input from all sectors affected by immigration, not just politicians.
3. DACA should be adressed on its own not tied to other thingss. Those kids need some certainty as to their future.
Because not everyone has the freedom that you do to enjoy making that choice.
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