What Putin Wants from the Ukraine Conflict

[Deadstick]

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No thank's i would rather deal in facts like i have posted.

 

[Deadstick]

Putin didn't think he was going to win quickly? LOL!

Well you said three weeks, i have seen some retards talking about three days, what we have not seen is any Russian official saying three weeks or days, stop making shit up.

 

[JohnDB]

 

[Hum Dinger]

In recent months, the discussion on whether the time has come to stop or at least freeze the war in Ukraine has visibly intensified. When contemplating various scenarios of how this could be done, pundits in both the United States and Europe focus on security guarantees and economic assistance that should be provided to Ukraine or on leverages the West could apply to persuade Kyiv to agree to an inescapably painful would-be agreement.
A lot less attention is paid to possible trade-offs that could be demanded from or negotiated with Moscow. It seems that Western diplomats and analysts, sensing the war fatigue in their respective societies, presume that a similar sentiment exists in Russia, or rather, in the Russian leadership.
To think so would be a mistake. The moment to assume that the Kremlin might be ready to seek a peace deal, if it has ever existed, has long since passed. At this point, Vladimir Putin looks confident that time is on his side. His calculus can, of course, still prove to be wrong, but for now, this is the basis for his decisions.
There are two fundamental sets of arguments that likely drive Putin’s thinking.
The first one is that Russia has preserved, and in some areas even increased, its capacity to wage war, including a war of attrition. In the autumn of 2023, Russian troops seized the initiative and currently are advancing. True, casualties are significant. But this is no novelty: this is how both the imperial and the Soviet armies fought for centuries.
Russia has maintained the necessary numbers of manpower, and Western economic sanctions have had a very limited impact on the Russian economy. Again, Russia’s resources are not endless, but for the time being, the Kremlin has enough money to finance the war, to pay salaries to soldiers or compensations to their families in case of a soldier’s death, and to make sure the defense industry will be able to function.
Russia’s budget deficit at war is smaller than that of many Western countries at peace.
Inside Russia, only a minority opposes the war. For the majority, it is extremely difficult to abandon their positive attitudes. It is worth reminding that 86 percent of Russian citizens welcomed the annexation of Crimea in 2014. Whereas support for the full-scale war against Ukraine has been lower, people are unwilling to accept the loss of the Crimean Peninsula. The “rally-around-the-flag” effect played a role in Putin’s reelection as president in March 2024.
Last but not least, Russia does not feel internationally isolated. It engages with the so-called “Global South,” with China playing the leading part in enabling Russia to continue the war. Countries like Iran and North Korea have become important suppliers of weapons, ammunition, and, in the latter case, also manpower.
The second line of argumentation is that Putin needs to achieve an unquestionable victory not only over Ukraine but, by extension, also over the West.

This war has just begun. Trump may stop supporting Ukraine, but Western Europe will not. They are scared to death of Russian expansionism. The Western European powers have seen the writing on the wall and have been preparing for a general disengagement of the U.S. from Western Europe - possibly an entire withdrawal from NATO.

Logistically, Western Europe is far more powerful than Russia. The only thing they lack is a massive amount of nuclear weapons to match Russia. I suspect that France and the U.K. have been quietly increasing their stockpiles.

China has much closer economic ties to Europe. As Trump puts the kabash on Chinese imports, the Chinese will increasingly depend on the Western European markets. China has no love for their eternal enemy to the north. They're only supporting Russia to see Russia pushed to its own destruction.

Russia is surrounded by ancient enemies - and they have on hell of a huge border to defend against all of them. The U.S. and possibly the U.K. are probably the only involved countries that do not want the absolute destruction of Russia.

 

[jc456]

This war has just begun. Trump may stop supporting Ukraine, but Western Europe will not. They are scared to death of Russian expansionism. The Western European powers have seen the writing on the wall and have been preparing for a general disengagement of the U.S. from Western Europe - possibly an entire withdrawal from NATO.

Logistically, Western Europe is far more powerful than Russia. The only thing they lack is a massive amount of nuclear weapons to match Russia. I suspect that France and the U.K. have been quietly increasing their stockpiles.

China has much closer economic ties to Europe. As Trump puts the kabash on Chinese imports, the Chinese will increasingly depend on the Western European markets. China has no love for their eternal enemy to the north. They're only supporting Russia to see Russia pushed to its own destruction.

Russia is surrounded by ancient enemies - and they have on hell of a huge border to defend against all of them. The U.S. and possibly the U.K. are probably the only involved countries that do not want the absolute destruction of Russia.

didn't Russia lose in Afghanistan? Why would they be any more scared of them? you're too stupid to know the truth.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Well you said three weeks, i have seen some retards talking about three days, what we have not seen is any Russian official saying three weeks or days, stop making shit up.

How long did Putin say it would take?

 

[JohnDB]

This war has just begun. Trump may stop supporting Ukraine, but Western Europe will not. They are scared to death of Russian expansionism. The Western European powers have seen the writing on the wall and have been preparing for a general disengagement of the U.S. from Western Europe - possibly an entire withdrawal from NATO.

Logistically, Western Europe is far more powerful than Russia. The only thing they lack is a massive amount of nuclear weapons to match Russia. I suspect that France and the U.K. have been quietly increasing their stockpiles.

China has much closer economic ties to Europe. As Trump puts the kabash on Chinese imports, the Chinese will increasingly depend on the Western European markets. China has no love for their eternal enemy to the north. They're only supporting Russia to see Russia pushed to its own destruction.

Russia is surrounded by ancient enemies - and they have on hell of a huge border to defend against all of them. The U.S. and possibly the U.K. are probably the only involved countries that do not want the absolute destruction of Russia.

Almost.
The USA and the EU have become dependent upon Ukraine for cheap uranium. Fuel for their electrical generation. Just like Russian LNG....and ammonia and other materials from Russia.
That pipeline blowing up (I don't care who destroyed it at this point) was definitely a big blow to the Russian economy.
Uranium mining involves releasing radon gas into the atmosphere as its mined. Expensive to do here in the USA and Ethiopian Uranium is not very reliable anymore as Wagner mercenaries are in the process of carefully and incrementally destabilizing the nation. (Just like they did to Ukraine)

Trump has intentionally let slip that he intends to supply Ukraine with so many munitions and equipment that what has been provided by the US will appear to be a drop in the bucket by comparison.

*If Russia does not agree to Trump's terms.

Now where this is problematic is what Putin has done to his own economy. Over a third and soon two thirds are now dedicated solely to war efforts. Meaning weapons and munitions manufacture. The "leftovers" alone will be massive amounts....as Russian Federation falls into dissolution from economic collapse. (He has destroyed all other parts of his own economy)

Not good!

 

[jc456]

How long did Putin say it would take?

Did he say?

 

[JohnDB]

Did he say?

Yes....kinda famously too

3 days.

It's been 3 years.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Almost.
The USA and the EU have become dependent upon Ukraine for cheap uranium. Fuel for their electrical generation. Just like Russian LNG....and ammonia and other materials from Russia.
That pipeline blowing up (I don't care who destroyed it at this point) was definitely a big blow to the Russian economy.
Uranium mining involves releasing radon gas into the atmosphere as its mined. Expensive to do here in the USA and Ethiopian Uranium is not very reliable anymore as Wagner mercenaries are in the process of carefully and incrementally destabilizing the nation. (Just like they did to Ukraine)

Trump has intentionally let slip that he intends to supply Ukraine with so many munitions and equipment that what has been provided by the US will appear to be a drop in the bucket by comparison.

*If Russia does not agree to Trump's terms.

Now where this is problematic is what Putin has done to his own economy. Over a third and soon two thirds are now dedicated solely to war efforts. Meaning weapons and munitions manufacture. The "leftovers" alone will be massive amounts....as Russian Federation falls into dissolution from economic collapse. (He has destroyed all other parts of his own economy)

Not good!

Uranium mining involves releasing radon gas into the atmosphere as its mined.

You're worried about radon in the atmosphere?

 

[Hum Dinger]

didn't Russia lose in Afghanistan? Why would they be any more scared of them? you're too stupid to know the truth.

You're too stupid to make a comprehensible post.

Try again.

What does this have to do with Afghanistan 40 years ago?

Who is 'they' and 'them'?

Your 5th grade teacher would be ashamed!

 

[JohnDB]

Uranium mining involves releasing radon gas into the atmosphere as its mined.

You're worried about radon in the atmosphere?

Those driving the equipment are definitely exposed to large amounts on a daily basis. Getting lung cancer is a given for those involved in the process. Radon gas eventually dissipates to levels that are harmless. So no, I don't care or worry about Radon gas.
What I'm explaining is why we use Ukranian Uranium to fuel our reactors. They also care too little about Radon gas.

 

[Hum Dinger]

Almost.
The USA and the EU have become dependent upon Ukraine for cheap uranium. Fuel for their electrical generation. Just like Russian LNG....and ammonia and other materials from Russia.
That pipeline blowing up (I don't care who destroyed it at this point) was definitely a big blow to the Russian economy.
Uranium mining involves releasing radon gas into the atmosphere as its mined. Expensive to do here in the USA and Ethiopian Uranium is not very reliable anymore as Wagner mercenaries are in the process of carefully and incrementally destabilizing the nation. (Just like they did to Ukraine)

Trump has intentionally let slip that he intends to supply Ukraine with so many munitions and equipment that what has been provided by the US will appear to be a drop in the bucket by comparison.

*If Russia does not agree to Trump's terms.

Now where this is problematic is what Putin has done to his own economy. Over a third and soon two thirds are now dedicated solely to war efforts. Meaning weapons and munitions manufacture. The "leftovers" alone will be massive amounts....as Russian Federation falls into dissolution from economic collapse. (He has destroyed all other parts of his own economy)

Not good!

A lot depends on Trump, and since he's a blatant liar it's hard to say which way he'll go.

Maybe he'll feel indebted to Putin and screw Ukraine, maybe he'll betray Putin and put the screws to him instead.

Maybe he'll withdraw from NATO, maybe he won't. It's anybody's guess.

It's true that whatever happens, Russia is internally destroyed - which is exactly what the Chinese want.

 

[JohnDB]

You're too stupid to make a comprehensible post.

Try again.

What does this have to do with Afghanistan 40 years ago?

Who is 'they' and 'them'?

Your 5th grade teacher would be ashamed!

Russia wanted the Uranium deposits in Afghanistan. Because they had the geology that supported the extra rich deposits (they have a special name I'm forgetting) found in specific mountain ranges.
However....fighting in mountain ranges at those altitudes is not easy....and Afghan warriors are very good at guerilla warfare. (Been doing it their whole life)

Again we see Russia invading another country for Uranium. (Ukraine)

 

[Hum Dinger]

Russia wanted the Uranium deposits in Afghanistan. Because they had the geology that supported the extra rich deposits (they have a special name I'm forgetting) found in specific mountain ranges.
However....fighting in mountain ranges at those altitudes is not easy....and Afghan warriors are very good at guerilla warfare. (Been doing it their whole life)

Again we see Russia invading another country for Uranium. (Ukraine)

Thanks for clarifying jc456 post!

Russia lost in Afghanistan like we lost in Vietnam or Afghanistan. They withdrew for political reasons, not due to any military defeat.

But like every empire, a few get wealthy by exploiting a colony's resources, while the majority of their people sacrifice their sons lives and get nothing in return.

If this Ukrainian war is all about Uranium, the people of Russia, the U.S. and Western Europe should know about it.

BTW - I'm sure Western Europe values Uranium even more than Russia or the U.S.

 

[jc456]

You're too stupid to make a comprehensible post.

Try again.

What does this have to do with Afghanistan 40 years ago?

Who is 'they' and 'them'?

Your 5th grade teacher would be ashamed!

they don't have the ability to do what was posted, they couldn't win in one country.

 

[jc456]

A lot depends on Trump, and since he's a blatant liar it's hard to say which way he'll go.

Maybe he'll feel indebted to Putin and screw Ukraine, maybe he'll betray Putin and put the screws to him instead.

Maybe he'll withdraw from NATO, maybe he won't. It's anybody's guess.

It's true that whatever happens, Russia is internally destroyed - which is exactly what the Chinese want.

he will enforce on NATO on the border of Russia. it again is quite simple.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Those driving the equipment are definitely exposed to large amounts on a daily basis. Getting lung cancer is a given for those involved in the process. Radon gas eventually dissipates to levels that are harmless. So no, I don't care or worry about Radon gas.
What I'm explaining is why we use Ukranian Uranium to fuel our reactors. They also care too little about Radon gas.

So no, I don't care or worry about Radon gas.

You don't care about radon in the atmosphere.
You care so little; you dropped it into this thread. LOL!

What I'm explaining is why we use Ukranian Uranium to fuel our reactors.

We use it because of radon. Got it.

 

[BothWings]

Putin will control the Ukraine, not Biden, Hunter, Obama, and the Democrats.

Putin attacked to exert his dominance in Russia's part of the world.

Obama and the Democrats had no business building a Naval base and high tech communications center in the Ukraine

Obama and the Democrats had no business trying to control the energy, the fossil fuels, electricity of the Ukraine.

He invaded to evict the New World Order's presence from Ukraine. The NWO had been there in some for or another slowly turning Ukraine into a tool to push Russia off the economic world stage. It was a matter of survival for Russia. Like hit first or be shoved off a cliff. If another country snuck into Mexico, turned it's government against us and started sneding weapons there, you bet your ASS we'd invade.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

He invaded to evict the New World Order's presence from Ukraine. The NWO had been there in some for or another slowly turning Ukraine into a tool to push Russia off the economic world stage. It was a matter of survival for Russia. Like hit first or be shoved off a cliff. If another country snuck into Mexico, turned it's government against us and started sneding weapons there, you bet your ASS we'd invade.

The NWO had been there in some for or another slowly turning Ukraine into a tool to push Russia off the economic world stage.

Without nukes and oil, Russia would be seen as a failed 3rd world nation.