What Offense Did the Ukrainian People Commit That Caused Them to Be Bombed into Oblivion by The Russian Military at the Command of Putin?

[AntonToo]

Everyone who "knows" what you're saying is clueless or like you:

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Name one end to end consumer product designed, produced, never mind distributed by “ai robots”

 

[TruthNotBS]

Name one end to end consumer product designed, produced, never mind distributed by “ai robots”

Anthony, do you really think because it’s not happening right this second, the idea of automation replacing human labor is some pie-in-the-sky fantasy that’ll take 40 years or more to materialize? You're obviously clueless or just suffering from a horrible case of cognitive dissonance and denial. You’re conveniently ignoring how fast this technology is progressing, but of course, you would, because it's erroneously perceived by you and your ilk, to threaten your little corner of the upper-middle-class playground. Just because you’re enjoying your Michelin-starred meals today doesn’t mean the rest of the world isn’t shifting toward something fundamentally different and better.

Look at where we already are, Anthony. AI has designed drugs, and solved protein folding, things human minds took decades or centuries to even conceptualize, let alone execute. That’s not futuristic speculation; that’s current reality.

You brought up production, well, how about the way AI is already optimizing supply chains? Autonomous robots run warehouses, sort packages, and make real-time adjustments far beyond human capabilities. The precision of AI systems is lightyears ahead of any manual laborer. Amazon’s warehouses are chock-full of robots, Tesla’s factories are largely automated, and yes, we’re even seeing AI designing products, managing inventory, and doing the engineering work that was once a bastion of high-paid professionals like you. But I suppose to you, if a flesh-and-blood human isn’t doing every single task, it doesn’t count, right?

I used to spend hundreds of dollars every few months, sometimes a few thousand, hiring free lancers at UpWorks to code plugins for my WordPress website, and I now thank ChatGPT, create my own plugins for only 20 bucks monthly. Hello? Coders like me (I'm a CNC coder), are being replaced by AI, an AI that isn't even AGI. We're now maybe four or five years away from AGI, general-intelligence. That's a PhD with a 300+ IQ working for you, 24/7. Do you realize that? You seem oblivious to what is actually happening. Hello Anthony? Are you there?

Do you really think AGI is some sci-fi fantasy relegated to the far-off future? Well, let’s break this down for you. According to experts, AGI is expected to emerge by the late 2020s or early 2030s. And once it arrives, do you honestly think it’s going to sit around twiddling its virtual thumbs, waiting for your approval to start replacing you and your fellow six-figure peers? No, Anthony. It's going to devour entire industries in ways that’ll make your head spin.

You want to cling to the argument that “it’s not happening yet, so it’ll take decades”? That’s like standing in a river up to your neck and saying, “I’m not drowning yet, so it’s fine.” You can ignore the rising tide all you want, but the fact is, the water’s already here. In 15 years, the very foundations of capitalism, as we know it, will crumble under the weight of automation and AGI. Wage labor will become obsolete. Flesh can’t compete with machines that don’t need to sleep, eat, or take vacations.

Your pearl-clutching over the misperception you're going to lose your lavish lifestyle is funny when you consider the truth: in a world where AI-driven production runs 24/7 without breaks, we’ll be swimming in dirt cheap goods and services. Your fantasy that socialism means poverty or deprivation is just that, a fantasy. Once production becomes just 40% automated, not to speak of when it's fully automated, we’re talking about a world of EXTREME ABUNDANCE. A world where we have more than we know what to do with. Robots will work around the clock, pumping out products faster, more efficiently, and in far greater quantities than any capitalist system could dream of.

The very distinction you and so many critics of socialism fail to grasp is this: personal property and private property aren’t the same thing. Socialism isn’t coming for your home, toothbrush, or your family vacation. It’s coming for the system where your lifestyle depends on exploiting others for profit. It’s about turning the tools of exploitation - factories, infrastructure, AI, and robots, into publicly owned assets, that we ALL own together as a community. We don’t need to exploit human labor anymore; we’ll exploit machines instead. Welcome to a better society where we don't have to exploit each other!

Capitalism replaced feudalism just as socialism will replace capitalism. That’s inevitable, Anthony, and your stubborn, delusional, denial won’t slow it down. Sorry sir, you and I aren't getting in the way of human progress.

 

[AntonToo]

Anthony, do you really think because it’s not happening right this second, the idea of automation replacing human labor is some pie-in-the-sky fantasy that’ll take 40 years or more to materialize? You're obviously clueless or just suffering from a horrible case of cognitive dissonance and denial. You’re conveniently ignoring how fast this technology is progressing, but of course, you would, because it's erroneously perceived by you and your ilk, to threaten your little corner of the upper-middle-class playground. Just because you’re enjoying your Michelin-starred meals today doesn’t mean the rest of the world isn’t shifting toward something fundamentally different and better.

Look at where we already are, Anthony. AI has designed drugs, and solved protein folding, things human minds took decades or centuries to even conceptualize, let alone execute. That’s not futuristic speculation; that’s current reality.

You brought up production, well, how about the way AI is already optimizing supply chains? Autonomous robots run warehouses, sort packages, and make real-time adjustments far beyond human capabilities. The precision of AI systems is lightyears ahead of any manual laborer. Amazon’s warehouses are chock-full of robots, Tesla’s factories are largely automated, and yes, we’re even seeing AI designing products, managing inventory, and doing the engineering work that was once a bastion of high-paid professionals like you. But I suppose to you, if a flesh-and-blood human isn’t doing every single task, it doesn’t count, right?

I used to spend hundreds of dollars every few months, sometimes a few thousand, hiring free lancers at UpWorks to code plugins for my WordPress website, and I now thank ChatGPT, create my own plugins for only 20 bucks monthly. Hello? Coders like me (I'm a CNC coder), are being replaced by AI, an AI that isn't even AGI. We're now maybe four or five years away from AGI, general-intelligence. That's a PhD with a 300+ IQ working for you, 24/7. Do you realize that? You seem oblivious to what is actually happening. Hello Anthony? Are you there?

Do you think AGI is some sci-fi fantasy relegated to the far-off future? Well, let’s break this down for you. According to experts, AGI is expected to emerge by the late 2020s or early 2030s. And once it arrives, do you honestly think it’s going to sit around twiddling its virtual thumbs, waiting for your approval to start replacing you and your fellow six-figure peers? No, Anthony. It's going to devour entire industries in ways that’ll make your head spin.

You want to cling to the argument that “it’s not happening yet, so it’ll take decades”? That’s like standing in a river up to your neck and saying, “I’m not drowning yet, so it’s fine.” You can ignore the rising tide all you want, but the fact is, the water’s already here. In 15 years, the very foundations of capitalism, as we know it, will crumble under the weight of automation and AGI. Wage labor will become obsolete. Flesh can’t compete with machines that don’t need to sleep, eat, or take vacations.

Your pearl-clutching over the misperception you're going to lose your lavish lifestyle is funny when you consider the truth: in a world where AI-driven production runs 24/7 without breaks, we’ll be swimming in dirt cheap goods and services. Your fantasy that socialism means poverty or deprivation is just that, a fantasy. Once production becomes just 40% automated, not to speak of when it's fully automated, we’re talking about a world of EXTREME ABUNDANCE. A world where we have more than we know what to do with. Robots will work around the clock, pumping out products faster, more efficiently, and in far greater quantities than any capitalist system could dream of.

The very distinction you and so many critics of socialism fail to grasp is this: personal property and private property aren’t the same thing. Socialism isn’t coming for your toothbrush or your family vacation. It’s coming for the system where your lifestyle depends on exploiting others for profit. It’s about turning the tools of exploitation - factories, infrastructure, AI, and robots, into publicly owned assets, where we ALL own it together. We don’t need to exploit human labor anymore; we’ll exploit machines instead. Welcome to a better society where we don't have to exploit each other anymore.

Capitalism replaced feudalism just as socialism will replace capitalism. That’s inevitable, Anthony, and your stubborn, delusional, denial won’t slow it down. Sorry sir, you and I aren't getting in the way of human progress.

Let me summarize - YOU CAN'T because it doesn't exist.

The timeline is just something you are speculating about. Like many other people that speculated about all kinds of shit that never came to be or took many decades to solve.

GET THERE, then run your mouth about radically changing society around it.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Let me summarize - NO YOU CAN'T.

I just did, but that's OK if you ignore my responses to your disingenuous rhetoric, others won't. I don't write to convince you of anything but for the sake of genuine truth-seekers.

 

[AlexanderPK]

When kindness is mistaken for weakness.

 

[Ringo]

The neo-azi authorities in Ukraine have turned the country into a concentration camp where people are caught right on the streets. Under capitalism this can happen in any country as soon as capital feels its power is threatened.

 

[GLASNOST]

When kindness is mistaken for weakness.

There's a lot of that going on. One example that we all should be familiar with is when the Warsaw Pact was abandoned at the end of the USSR. Washington saw it as a weakness so rather than disbanding NATO, as was promised, look what they did. Russia has now been compelled to play nuclear "catch-up" & "counter-threat" and we're now back in the Cold War.

 

[AntonToo]

When kindness is mistaken for weakness.

Oh yes, tell us about all the "kindness" a million dead and wounded Ukranians and Russians recieved from Putin and his enablers.

Behold the kindness:

If only you knew how fucking crazy you sound.

 

[GLASNOST]

Oh yes, tell us about all the "kindness" a million dead and wounded Russians and Ukranians recieved from Putin.

I think you are talking about "a million dead and wounded Russians and Ukrainians" recieved by the US/NATO/ and much of Western Europe.

 

[AlexanderPK]

Oh yes, tell us about all the "kindness" a million dead and wounded Ukranians and Russians recieved from Putin and his enablers.

Behold the kindness:

If only you knew how fucking crazy you sound.

It didn't bother the stupid bird till it started fooling around, haven't you noticed? And, you know what's crazy? It's when an American's talking about someone else's craziness.

 

[AntonToo]

It didn't bother the stupid bird till it started fooling around, haven't you noticed?

Idiot there was no "fooling around" that could possibly ever justify these atrocities and horror.

Ukraine is sovereign country that has never attacked, or even had any thoughts of ever attacking Russia. There is no reasonable excuse for these barbaric land grabs.

 

[AlexanderPK]

Idiot there was no fooling around that could possibly ever justify these atrocities and horror.

Ukraine never attacked Russia, there is no reasonable excuse for this.

I know. А нас за що? Right?

 

[AntonToo]

I know. А нас за що? Right?

Yes, for what are you idiots killing and wounding young, able bodied Russians by the thousands every week?

Lets even set aside Ukrainians that tools like you don't give any shit about, What are you destroying Russia for?

 

[Stann]

Yes, for what are you idiots killing and wounding young, able bodied Russians by the thousands every week?

Lets even set aside Ukrainians that tools like you don't give any shit about, What are you destroying Russia for?

The Russians are the aggressors. Let's not forget that. The Ukraine never invaded Russia. All this is Russia's fault. If they didn't invade there would be no destruction , just progress on both sides. In the end the Russian people will have to pay reparations to the Ukrainian people for all the damage their foolish leaders caused in the Ukraine. And how do you pay for all the lost lives. War is insanity at it's worst.

 

[Ringo]

. The Ukraine never invaded Russia.

Wake up, Bozo! On August 6, Ukraine invaded Russian territory in the Kursk region without any sense.

 

[Stann]

Wake up, Bozo! On August 6, Ukraine invaded Russian territory in the Kursk region without any sense.

Idiot , of course they are going to retaliate. Such an idiot ! The Ukrainians need to go all the way to Make scow and destroy it like the Russians have destroyed the Ukraine. Just Moscow , not the rest of the country that would let the Russian people finally realize it is their misguided , hate- mongering leadership that is to blame for it all.

 

[AntonToo]

The Russians are the aggressors. Let's not forget that. The Ukraine never invaded Russia. All this is Russia's fault. If they didn't invade there would be no destruction , just progress on both sides. In the end the Russian people will have to pay reparations to the Ukrainian people for all the damage their foolish leaders caused in the Ukraine. And how do you pay for all the lost lives. War is insanity at it's worst.

...ummm thats exactly what I'm asking our resident dupe Putinist - even aside from distruction against the Ukrainians, what the hell are they getting young Russians killed and destroying Russia for?

 

[Ringo]

Idiot , of course they are going to retaliate. Such an idiot !

Oh... So Russia can retaliate now too?

 

[AntonToo]

Wake up, Bozo! On August 6, Ukraine invaded Russian territory in the Kursk region without any sense.

Dumbass thats a DIRECT RESULT of Russian invasion and war waging against Ukraine.

Cause and effect. Are familiar with the concept?

 

[justoffal]

In thinking about why Israel is destroying Gaza and killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians, it caused me, in comparison, to wonder why Putin began bombing Ukraine. I honestly could not remember why this all began.

I'm sure we all agree that retaliating for having been attacked and having your citizens abducted and killed is more than reason enough to go after the perpetrators, even if we do not necessarily agree with how they are going about carrying this out. But what I'm struck with at the moment is how Putin was NOT defending Russia, or retaliating for an attack against the country and its people. This wholesale slaughter of innocent people seems to be based on ideology?

The Ukrainian people of the victims here but not of Russia. The Ukrainian people of the victims of a puppet regime run by NATO intent on taking Russia down. This is why for 10 years NATO continued to militarize Ukraine and build it up as an invasion touchpoint waiting for an excuse to go into Russia. Negotiations would have been the way out of this.

There was no way it was worth flattening and entire country, an entire people and an entire economy over what issues they pretended to have.

The real issue was that NATO had invested millions in fact billions until Ukrainian military infrastructure and don't want to lose that advantage even though that's exactly what's going to happen.