What Netanyahu's Victory Tells Me

[Phoenall]

"The number of indigenous Christians in Palestine (West Bank and Gaza), is about 60,000, belonging to many different Christian denominations; Greek Orthodox, Armenian Orthodox, Syrian Orthodox, Coptic Orthodox, Catholics, Anglicans and Protestants. The severe policies imposed by the Israeli occupation against Muslims and Christians in Palestine has forced many Christians to leave their country of birth, looking elsewhere for a more secure life where human beings are treated and respected as citizens. As a result, the number of Christians is decreasing drastically."

Palestinian Christians under occupation The Society of Saint Francis

Muslims treat Christians like shit anyways, your seriously blaming this on Israel? Israel has plenty of Christians who live there happily.

The Franciscans (The Society of Saint Francis) are blaming the Israeli occupation. . Did you not read attribution?

And they are afraid of being beaten or killed so say what the arab muslims tell them. Try finding something from a Christian that has escaped the cluthes of the arab muslim terrorists

 

[Phoenall]

I really wonder if he is the right choice. Right now, with growing instability and extremism represented by groups such as ISIS, it seems they need a leader who can also build coalitions with the more stable states in the region who are also threatened by this. It also needs someone who can settle the Palestinian issue so they can move on to other things - without alienating themselves further. The constant cry of "wolf" is a distractor from real issues both domestically and foreign.

Settle the Palestinian issue?

It hasn't been settled in 66+ years.

There is zero chance that anybody, serving-up any solution (other than the Jews packing up and leaving, or dying), is going to do that, short of expulsion.

Zero.

Bibi merely concedes the impossibility of such a solution, and declares that it will not be attempted on his watch.

The sort of 'coalitions' you speak of here will materialize if it is in the best interests of the surrounding states to subscribe to such an idea.

And, then, only until they, themselves, are out of danger.

The Arab-Muslim states of the region are, by nature, unstable, and volatile, and untrustworthy, to some extent or another.

And, for the most part, a 'large' extent.

Like I said, Israel will eventually annex the West Bank and call it by its rightful name for the last 3000 years before Arab Muslims changed it in the 1940's: Judeah and Samaria. There is no other solution.

Maybe Jordan, the real Arab Palestine, can work something out to take those that don't like it.

It hasn't been called Judeah or Samaria for over 2,000 years. Will Samaritans have the right of return to Samaria?

Bullshit! And when did the name West Bank come around, like 60 years ago, when Jordan and Egypt Attacked the newly formed Israel and occupied West Bank and Gaza? And how come they didn't create this mythical state of Palstine after 20 years, of occupation. Can you show us why there was no Paestinian movement to form a state?

A mythical name for a mythical region, for a mythical people, for a mythical state. Ha ha ha.

The people are actually there, not mythical at all. What is mythical about the name Palestine. It is just the English version of the Latin name place Palaestina and was .called such until the Sassanids defeated the Romans and conquered it. Don't know what the Sassanids called it, but they were Persians and of the Zoroastrian religion, so go figure.

And for 1950 years the only Palestinians were the Jews who lived there, and it was the Romans that coined the name for the area as an insult to the Jews.

 

[Phoenall]

Well life as a Christian under a majority Islamic population is uncomfortable in general, they are probably leaving because the Islamists are treating them like shit. If you gave a Christian a choice to live in Israel or Palestine they would all choose Israel hands down.

That is untrue in the case of Palestine. They are leaving because of the Israeli occupation as stated by the Christians themselves and observers such as the friars of the Society of Saint Francis. As for the Palestinian Christians, they have spoken up in movies and blame the Israelis:




You can, of course, believe the anti-Palestinian propaganda.

THe robot keeps referring to this society as if they represent Christians. Ha ha ha.

These are Palestinians saying the same thing Ruddy. It's not just the Society of Saint Francis. If you knew anything about Christianity you would know that the Franciscans are the most respected religious order.

Meaningless drivel and propoganda. Majority of Christians in and out of Israel would rather Jews be in control. They know what happens when Muslims take control.

Christians in Palestine do not want Jews in control. They want the Jews out.

Says who..........................LINK

 

[High_Gravity]

Well life as a Christian under a majority Islamic population is uncomfortable in general, they are probably leaving because the Islamists are treating them like shit. If you gave a Christian a choice to live in Israel or Palestine they would all choose Israel hands down.

That is untrue in the case of Palestine. They are leaving because of the Israeli occupation as stated by the Christians themselves and observers such as the friars of the Society of Saint Francis. As for the Palestinian Christians, they have spoken up in movies and blame the Israelis:




You can, of course, believe the anti-Palestinian propaganda.

THe robot keeps referring to this society as if they represent Christians. Ha ha ha.

These are Palestinians saying the same thing Ruddy. It's not just the Society of Saint Francis. If you knew anything about Christianity you would know that the Franciscans are the most respected religious order.

Meaningless drivel and propoganda. Majority of Christians in and out of Israel would rather Jews be in control. They know what happens when Muslims take control.

Christians in Palestine do not want Jews in control. They want the Jews out.

I am sure Christians prefer Muslim rule over living in Israel

 

[Daniyel]

That is untrue in the case of Palestine. They are leaving because of the Israeli occupation as stated by the Christians themselves and observers such as the friars of the Society of Saint Francis. As for the Palestinian Christians, they have spoken up in movies and blame the Israelis:




You can, of course, believe the anti-Palestinian propaganda.

THe robot keeps referring to this society as if they represent Christians. Ha ha ha.

These are Palestinians saying the same thing Ruddy. It's not just the Society of Saint Francis. If you knew anything about Christianity you would know that the Franciscans are the most respected religious order.

Meaningless drivel and propoganda. Majority of Christians in and out of Israel would rather Jews be in control. They know what happens when Muslims take control.

Christians in Palestine do not want Jews in control. They want the Jews out.

I am sure Christians prefer Muslim rule over living in Israel

Actually the surprising facts is that over 70% of the Israeli Arabs - Muslims and Christians voted for Right wing, the Left wing that got most of the Arabs support are actually the Ultra Orthodox (Yahadut HaTorah) - Hilarious

 

[Penelope]

so you or they say. Only about what % of Israel is Christian now, less than 5%. Isn't that funny, yet the evans still send you lots of money. I bet more Christians live in Gaza.

 

[Roudy]

I really wonder if he is the right choice. Right now, with growing instability and extremism represented by groups such as ISIS, it seems they need a leader who can also build coalitions with the more stable states in the region who are also threatened by this. It also needs someone who can settle the Palestinian issue so they can move on to other things - without alienating themselves further. The constant cry of "wolf" is a distractor from real issues both domestically and foreign.

Settle the Palestinian issue?

It hasn't been settled in 66+ years.

There is zero chance that anybody, serving-up any solution (other than the Jews packing up and leaving, or dying), is going to do that, short of expulsion.

Zero.

Bibi merely concedes the impossibility of such a solution, and declares that it will not be attempted on his watch.

The sort of 'coalitions' you speak of here will materialize if it is in the best interests of the surrounding states to subscribe to such an idea.

And, then, only until they, themselves, are out of danger.

The Arab-Muslim states of the region are, by nature, unstable, and volatile, and untrustworthy, to some extent or another.

And, for the most part, a 'large' extent.

Like I said, Israel will eventually annex the West Bank and call it by its rightful name for the last 3000 years before Arab Muslims changed it in the 1940's: Judeah and Samaria. There is no other solution.

Maybe Jordan, the real Arab Palestine, can work something out to take those that don't like it.

It hasn't been called Judeah or Samaria for over 2,000 years. Will Samaritans have the right of return to Samaria?

Bullshit! And when did the name West Bank come around, like 60 years ago, when Jordan and Egypt Attacked the newly formed Israel and occupied West Bank and Gaza? And how come they didn't create this mythical state of Palstine after 20 years, of occupation. Can you show us why there was no Paestinian movement to form a state?

A mythical name for a mythical region, for a mythical people, for a mythical state. Ha ha ha.

The people are actually there, not mythical at all. What is mythical about the name Palestine. It is just the English version of the Latin name place Palaestina and was .called such until the Sassanids defeated the Romans and conquered it. Don't know what the Sassanids called it, but they were Persians and of the Zoroastrian religion, so go figure.

The name West Bank is a newly invented name:

The area of the Judea and Samaria district covers a portion of the territory designated by the ancient names Judea and Samaria. Samaria corresponds to part of the ancient Kingdom of Israel, also known as the Northern Kingdom. Judea corresponds to part of the ancient Kingdom of Judah, also known as the Southern Kingdom.

After the Assyrian conquest of the Northern Israelite Kingdom of Israel in c.721 BCE, the previous inhabitants were deported and replaced by forced resettlement by other peoples, which eventually became Samaritans, at the hands of the Assyrians. As a direct consequence, a central part of the former Northern Kingdom of Israel was renamed Samaria (Shomron in Hebrew). During the Hellenistic and Roman periods the name of the former Southern Kingdom of Judah was hellenized to Judea. In modern times, Samaria was the name of one of the administrative districts of Mandatory Palestine. United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181, adopted in 1947, referred to "Samaria and Judea" as part of a proposed Arab state to be carved out of the Mandate of Palestine but the boundaries of "Samaria and Judea" did not precisely coincide with the current Judea and Samaria Area.[citation needed]

Following the Jordanian occupation and annexation of Judea and Samaria in 1948, Jordan renamed the territory "the West Bank [of the Jordan]". After Israel captured it in 1967, it did not immediately officially refer to it by the historical names. Only ten years later, in 1977, when Menachem Begin, a proponent of extending Israel's sovereignty to the region, became Prime Minister, were the names Judea and Samaria officially adopted.

The name Judea, when used in Judea and Samaria, refers to all of the region south of Jerusalem, including Gush Etzion and Har Hebron. The region of Samaria, on the other hand, refers to the area north of Jerusalem. East Jerusalem has been incorporated into the Jerusalem District and is under Israeli civilian rule, and is thus excluded from the administrative structure of the Judea and Samaria Area.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Sad day, shows who really loves to fight and kill.

Shows that you think people shouldn't be allowed to vote any other way...very, er, democratic...

 

[TemplarKormac]

that is him, everyone look who you elected. Please bibi return the 3.2 billion we gave you this year!!

Angry aren't we? And why exactly aren't you upset over Palestine's elections? Or any other Middle East country? Look at what your hypocrisy has wrought.

 

[Roudy]

Well life as a Christian under a majority Islamic population is uncomfortable in general, they are probably leaving because the Islamists are treating them like shit. If you gave a Christian a choice to live in Israel or Palestine they would all choose Israel hands down.

That is untrue in the case of Palestine. They are leaving because of the Israeli occupation as stated by the Christians themselves and observers such as the friars of the Society of Saint Francis. As for the Palestinian Christians, they have spoken up in movies and blame the Israelis:




You can, of course, believe the anti-Palestinian propaganda.

THe robot keeps referring to this society as if they represent Christians. Ha ha ha.

These are Palestinians saying the same thing Ruddy. It's not just the Society of Saint Francis. If you knew anything about Christianity you would know that the Franciscans are the most respected religious order.

Meaningless drivel and propoganda. Majority of Christians in and out of Israel would rather Jews be in control. They know what happens when Muslims take control.

Christians in Palestine do not want Jews in control. They want the Jews out.

Oh don't worry when Israel annexes the West Bank the Christians will have a much better life, and they willI stop complaining about their Muslim oppressors.

 

[Roudy]

That is untrue in the case of Palestine. They are leaving because of the Israeli occupation as stated by the Christians themselves and observers such as the friars of the Society of Saint Francis. As for the Palestinian Christians, they have spoken up in movies and blame the Israelis:




You can, of course, believe the anti-Palestinian propaganda.

THe robot keeps referring to this society as if they represent Christians. Ha ha ha.

These are Palestinians saying the same thing Ruddy. It's not just the Society of Saint Francis. If you knew anything about Christianity you would know that the Franciscans are the most respected religious order.

Meaningless drivel and propoganda. Majority of Christians in and out of Israel would rather Jews be in control. They know what happens when Muslims take control.

Christians in Palestine do not want Jews in control. They want the Jews out.

I am sure Christians prefer Muslim rule over living in Israel

Almost all Christians communities are being killed and oppressed by Muslim savages, but oh the Palestinian Muslim subspecies will show different tendencies! Anybody want to buy a used car?

 

[TemplarKormac]

"The number of indigenous Christians in Palestine (West Bank and Gaza), is about 60,000, belonging to many different Christian denominations; Greek Orthodox, Armenian Orthodox, Syrian Orthodox, Coptic Orthodox, Catholics, Anglicans and Protestants. The severe policies imposed by the Israeli occupation against Muslims and Christians in Palestine has forced many Christians to leave their country of birth, looking elsewhere for a more secure life where human beings are treated and respected as citizens. As a result, the number of Christians is decreasing drastically."

Palestinian Christians under occupation The Society of Saint Francis

Muslims treat Christians like shit anyways, your seriously blaming this on Israel? Israel has plenty of Christians who live there happily.

The Franciscans (The Society of Saint Francis) are blaming the Israeli occupation. . Did you not read attribution?

You seem to think these Franciscans speak for all of Christianity. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Netanyahu made the statement that there will NEVER be a Palestinian homeland. To that extent - he appealed to the far right and the religious settlers and racism does play a part in some of that appeal. While Israel is not aparthied, there is discrimmination towards Arab citizens and inequalities that are well documented.

Really, so how do you explain the Arab presence in the Knesset? Moreover looking at the voting statistics, I can't see how this "appeal to the far right" worked for Netanyahu.

 

[TemplarKormac]

What I seem to be getting here is that "it's only a democracy if they vote for my guy!"

 

[bodecea]

Once again, we see how Israel is more important than the United States.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Once again, we see how Israel is more important than the United States.

How? You seem to think Palestine is more important than the United States...

 

[Coyote]

Source?

Ethnic Cleansing Christians Middle East Gaza Islamists

Declining Palestinian Christian population fears its churches are turning into museums - Israel News Haaretz

Hamas Calls for Ethnic Cleansing of Israel - The Line of Fire with Dr. Michael Brown

Interesting but not sure it actually supports Phoenall's claim that the Palestinians reduced the Christian population (ie ethnic cleansing).

Your second link states:

Today, Christians make up just 1 percent of the mainly Muslim population of the Palestinian territories, said Hanna Eissa, who is in charge of Christian affairs in the Palestinian Authority's religious affairs ministry.

In 1920, they were a tenth of the population of Palestine -- land where today Israel exists alongside the occupied West Bank and the Gaza Strip. The Palestinians remain stateless.

Decades of conflict, shifting borders and occupation are the root causes of the poor economic situation that is forcing Christians to seek better lives abroad, Eissa said.


Rising Muslim fundamentalism, a trend across the Middle East, concerns some. But most cite Israeli occupation as the prime cause of emigration and the decline of their community.

"If there was no political problem, the economic situation would be good, so the problems are linked," Eissa said.

In Bethlehem alone, the Christian population has slumped to 7,500 from 20,000 in 1995. Then, the Middle East peace process had created hope that a Palestinian state would emerge alongside Israel. Some Christians who had left came back.

Sandra al-Shoumali, Abu al-Zulaf's sister, and her husband were among those who invested at the time. They thought peace was imminent and saw a prosperous future in a new state. But talks collapsed in 2000 and several years of violence ensued.

"There was no work, no way to live," she said. "Our family has been scattered," she said. They moved to the United States. She is visiting Beit Sahour for the first time in two years.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Source?

Ethnic Cleansing Christians Middle East Gaza Islamists

Declining Palestinian Christian population fears its churches are turning into museums - Israel News Haaretz

Hamas Calls for Ethnic Cleansing of Israel - The Line of Fire with Dr. Michael Brown

Interesting but not sure it actually supports Phoenall's claim that the Palestinians reduced the Christian population (ie ethnic cleansing).

Your second link states:

Today, Christians make up just 1 percent of the mainly Muslim population of the Palestinian territories, said Hanna Eissa, who is in charge of Christian affairs in the Palestinian Authority's religious affairs ministry.

In 1920, they were a tenth of the population of Palestine -- land where today Israel exists alongside the occupied West Bank and the Gaza Strip. The Palestinians remain stateless.

Decades of conflict, shifting borders and occupation are the root causes of the poor economic situation that is forcing Christians to seek better lives abroad, Eissa said.


Rising Muslim fundamentalism, a trend across the Middle East, concerns some. But most cite Israeli occupation as the prime cause of emigration and the decline of their community.

"If there was no political problem, the economic situation would be good, so the problems are linked," Eissa said.

In Bethlehem alone, the Christian population has slumped to 7,500 from 20,000 in 1995. Then, the Middle East peace process had created hope that a Palestinian state would emerge alongside Israel. Some Christians who had left came back.

Sandra al-Shoumali, Abu al-Zulaf's sister, and her husband were among those who invested at the time. They thought peace was imminent and saw a prosperous future in a new state. But talks collapsed in 2000 and several years of violence ensued.

"There was no work, no way to live," she said. "Our family has been scattered," she said. They moved to the United States. She is visiting Beit Sahour for the first time in two years.

Come on Coyote. How many Palestinians ran right over to join ISIS? Not a small number I'm sure.

 

[Coyote]

It's not Muslim/Jew - it's Palestinians and the Palestinians include Christians and Muslims (although Israel is trying to split it) and once included Jews (who chose to become Israelis).

That you even consider christians to be a fundamental part of the "palestinian" narrative is a sign you are utterly clueless. See gaza as an example of muslim ethnic cleansing of christians out of the region.

Ok...

How Gaza s Christians View the Hamas-Israeli Conflict Christianity Today

Gaza s tiny Christian community under siege Christian News on Christian Today

Gaza's Christian community is regarded as a "corner stone" in the fabric of the Palestinian community, according to the report, and like the Muslim majority aspires to build an independent Palestinian state.


The decrease in the number of Christians is mainly related to the prevailing circumstances in the Gaza strip, the report says. Many who stay said they did so "for religious reasons", for "national pride" and for family.


The average household income was $739.65 per month but 33.6 percent reported no salary or source of income. Two of the women surveyed were married for the first time at the age of 14, however these marriages took place more than 20 years ago.


The findings show that the majority of the Christian population in Gaza is Greek Orthodox, totaling 1,170 or 89.1 percent, followed by Latin (totaling 9.3 percent), Coptic (0.8 percent), Baptist (0.5 percent), and Anglicans (0.2 percent).


"As an integral part of the greater Palestinian community in Gaza, Christians continue to suffer from the absence of security, a prevailing poor economic situation due to the seven-year blockade, and the repercussions of Palestinian internal division which affects all aspects of life in Gaza. Like all Gazans, upholding aspirations of freedom and building an independent Palestinian state is the way forward," the report says. "The population of the Gaza Strip has for many years lived through harsh conditions collectively, from the Israeli occupation, its siege, and armed attacks on the Gaza Strip which is detrimental to the stability of Gaza and which continues to prevent planning and development by both the government and civil society." Combined with the high population density, it warns that conditions in Gaza "may further nourish an extremism which does not differentiate between race and religion."


One of the repercussions of the Gaza siege is the rising unemployment rate, the report says. There is also an electricity crisis with alternative sources of power increasing risks of damage to property, and even death.
​

It looks at as if the diminishing numbers of Christians in Gaza have more to do with severe and long standing economic circumstances, high unemployment in excess of 40%, political instability much of it related to the seige and to internal divisions within Palestinian governance. Some express concern about rising extremism in the region overall threatening their survival, but there does not appear to be "ethnic cleansing" on the part of Gazan's.

 

[Coyote]

Source?

Ethnic Cleansing Christians Middle East Gaza Islamists

Declining Palestinian Christian population fears its churches are turning into museums - Israel News Haaretz

Hamas Calls for Ethnic Cleansing of Israel - The Line of Fire with Dr. Michael Brown

Interesting but not sure it actually supports Phoenall's claim that the Palestinians reduced the Christian population (ie ethnic cleansing).

Your second link states:

Today, Christians make up just 1 percent of the mainly Muslim population of the Palestinian territories, said Hanna Eissa, who is in charge of Christian affairs in the Palestinian Authority's religious affairs ministry.

In 1920, they were a tenth of the population of Palestine -- land where today Israel exists alongside the occupied West Bank and the Gaza Strip. The Palestinians remain stateless.

Decades of conflict, shifting borders and occupation are the root causes of the poor economic situation that is forcing Christians to seek better lives abroad, Eissa said.


Rising Muslim fundamentalism, a trend across the Middle East, concerns some. But most cite Israeli occupation as the prime cause of emigration and the decline of their community.

"If there was no political problem, the economic situation would be good, so the problems are linked," Eissa said.

In Bethlehem alone, the Christian population has slumped to 7,500 from 20,000 in 1995. Then, the Middle East peace process had created hope that a Palestinian state would emerge alongside Israel. Some Christians who had left came back.

Sandra al-Shoumali, Abu al-Zulaf's sister, and her husband were among those who invested at the time. They thought peace was imminent and saw a prosperous future in a new state. But talks collapsed in 2000 and several years of violence ensued.

"There was no work, no way to live," she said. "Our family has been scattered," she said. They moved to the United States. She is visiting Beit Sahour for the first time in two years.

Come on Coyote. How many Palestinians ran right over to join ISIS? Not a small number I'm sure.

I'm sticking to the facts. What's going on in Gaza to affect the Christian population and what they have to say about it. Cleansing of ethnic minorities is most certainly going on in ISIS controlled regions - but where is the evidence of that in Gaza? Lack of economic opportunities, unemployment, conflict and instability and no light at the end of the tunnel are driving many out.