What Netanyahu's Victory Tells Me

[Lipush]

The talk on different Forums is that the POLLS were all left wing media run, and were out and out lies to turn the election....

That might be but I'd like to here what an actual Israeli says...Lipush is rightwing I believe, but she also isn't overly fond of Netanyahu and he was certainly controversial in Israel.

And keep in mind - the polls were exit polls, typically not the most reliable (as Doc was pointing out).

I'm surly a rightwinger, but I didn't vote on Netanyahu this round, and I didn't vote him last round. It's not that I don't believe he's protecting Israel, but I do believe that on inside issues (economics and social issues) he's a walking disaster. Besides, we had him for like forever, I believe, personally, that there should be an exchange inside the Likud Party itself.

 

[theliq]

Hi Roudy, your summation is based on a false premise actually.............it stems from the inception of Israel itself........althought the General Assembly of the UN made submissions(and Submissions only) for the Partition of the Jews and Palestinians in 1948......this had to be ratified by the UN Security Council to put it into Law....This was NEVER DONE (something few know or have bothered to remember)in fact by law Israel does not exist.......So despite all the waffeling on about the Palestinians......it is in fact the Jews/Israelis who don't have a country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!and are trespassers on Palestinian land (Yes I was quite shocked when I found this out recently).

Just thought I'd let you know.regards steve

I noticed that despite that nonsense you just posted, you never mentioned that the Arabs never had a say as to what happens to the land they never controlled.

Has he ever heard of the Ottomans?

That would be in middle school aka junior high approx 7th grade, which there is no evidence he made it that far.

Well That is a great comment,never said my mentality went passed 7th Grade Roudy but I do employ over 300 people on three continents,ect.,so I ain't done so bad considering.steve

You make clothes for Primark?

Oooch Mindy..........that was uncalled for...........No we make a product that is SOLD... and enjoyed worldwide(even in Israel) we do use some components from the US and spend in excess of $7million a year there,it's because it's the worlds best and we only use the Best because we are the Best.

As you would appreciate.steven....you may try to belittle but it does you an injustice,something you should be mindful (excuse the delish PUN) of......LOL

 

[theliq]

Hi Roudy, your summation is based on a false premise actually.............it stems from the inception of Israel itself........althought the General Assembly of the UN made submissions(and Submissions only) for the Partition of the Jews and Palestinians in 1948......this had to be ratified by the UN Security Council to put it into Law....This was NEVER DONE (something few know or have bothered to remember)in fact by law Israel does not exist.......So despite all the waffeling on about the Palestinians......it is in fact the Jews/Israelis who don't have a country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!and are trespassers on Palestinian land (Yes I was quite shocked when I found this out recently).

Just thought I'd let you know.regards steve

I noticed that despite that nonsense you just posted, you never mentioned that the Arabs never had a say as to what happens to the land they never controlled.

Read Carefully www.1948.org.uk/un-resolution-181/ and stop attempting to shoot the messenger........Titaniumliq LOL

ps...the last 2 sentences says it all really.....as for Mindless,take that silver spoon out of your Ass and Shove it in Your Mouth......because unlike me and Roudy or is that Roudy and I, you talk shit

Hi Roudy, your summation is based on a false premise actually.............it stems from the inception of Israel itself........althought the General Assembly of the UN made submissions(and Submissions only) for the Partition of the Jews and Palestinians in 1948......this had to be ratified by the UN Security Council to put it into Law....This was NEVER DONE (something few know or have bothered to remember)in fact by law Israel does not exist.......So despite all the waffeling on about the Palestinians......it is in fact the Jews/Israelis who don't have a country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!and are trespassers on Palestinian land (Yes I was quite shocked when I found this out recently).

Just thought I'd let you know.regards steve

I noticed that despite that nonsense you just posted, you never mentioned that the Arabs never had a say as to what happens to the land they never controlled.

Read Carefully www.1948.org.uk/un-resolution-181/ and stop attempting to shoot the messenger........Titaniumliq LOL

ps...the last 2 sentences says it all really.....as for Mindless,take that silver spoon out of your Ass and Shove it in Your Mouth......because unlike me and Roudy or is that Roudy and I, you talk shit

In other words, you have no recourse.

As for the grammar, it depends if you and Roudy are the subjects or the objects of the sentence. Can you figure that out?

Bloody Hell Mindful..........You have really gone up in my estimations......I take it all back,the shit-talk that is.........Apart from your Myopia/Zionism,I reckon I'm going to enjoy your intelligence and excellent Wit.

Sheeees I got you all wrong,indeed I did.....but never forget I can still be a real cnut...steve

You told me that before. Yawn

What do you mean by Zionism? In your case, it's just a word, a sloppy excuse for lazy thinking.

"The quick brown fox,jumped over the lazy dog"...........Lazy No,Fox Indeed.LOL

I can't explain Zionism at the moment Mindful, as I have a meeting tonight and I don't want to fill my head Full of Shit............LOL..now you never expected THAT did ya.

 

[Mindful]

I noticed that despite that nonsense you just posted, you never mentioned that the Arabs never had a say as to what happens to the land they never controlled.

Has he ever heard of the Ottomans?

That would be in middle school aka junior high approx 7th grade, which there is no evidence he made it that far.

Well That is a great comment,never said my mentality went passed 7th Grade Roudy but I do employ over 300 people on three continents,ect.,so I ain't done so bad considering.steve

You make clothes for Primark?

Oooch Mindy..........that was uncalled for...........No we make a product that is SOLD... and enjoyed worldwide(even in Israel) we do use some components from the US and spend in excess of $7million a year there,it's because it's the worlds best and we only use the Best because we are the Best.

As you would appreciate.steven....you may try to belittle but it does you an injustice,something you should be mindful (excuse the delish PUN) of......LOL

So why aren't you in the boardroom? Instead of messing about in here?

Unless you are multi tasking.

 

[Mindful]

The Arab at the felafel stand.


Two opposing views here:


Fadi’s reasoning: according to Judaism, Jerusalem can’t be divided—not that it would make much of a difference to him.

“It’s our land and one day we’ll take it,” he said, having no qualms going on record and even having his picture taken, before offering me some coffee. But Fadi’s view is not entirely black and white. “Here, Jews and Arabs are the same,” he said, looking around, calling the people of Ariel “good people” as compared to other “settlers.”

Yet the views of Fadi and his friend are not the consensus in this idyll of co-existence. (Or at least, idyllic on most days. The road nearby was the site of the 2013 Palestinian rock attack that eventually took the life of Adele Biton last month.)

Across the street, Faisel (a pseudonym given his request for anonymity) from the town of Salfit, less than a mile away, was actually glad Netanyahu won. “At first I wanted Kahlon. He helped everyone lower cell phone prices,” said Faisel, who then pulled out a picture from his smartphone of Haaretz’s election results chart. The hazel-eyed, college-educated Palestinian followed the election closely.

“Bibi speaks about defending your security—but that means he helps our security,” Faisel said. “The left is no good for us (Palestinians) or them (Jews).”

Read on.....

What Does The Arab At The Falafel Stand Say About The Elections by Orit Arfa Israellycool

 

[Mindful]

I noticed that despite that nonsense you just posted, you never mentioned that the Arabs never had a say as to what happens to the land they never controlled.

Read Carefully www.1948.org.uk/un-resolution-181/ and stop attempting to shoot the messenger........Titaniumliq LOL

ps...the last 2 sentences says it all really.....as for Mindless,take that silver spoon out of your Ass and Shove it in Your Mouth......because unlike me and Roudy or is that Roudy and I, you talk shit

I noticed that despite that nonsense you just posted, you never mentioned that the Arabs never had a say as to what happens to the land they never controlled.

Read Carefully www.1948.org.uk/un-resolution-181/ and stop attempting to shoot the messenger........Titaniumliq LOL

ps...the last 2 sentences says it all really.....as for Mindless,take that silver spoon out of your Ass and Shove it in Your Mouth......because unlike me and Roudy or is that Roudy and I, you talk shit

In other words, you have no recourse.

As for the grammar, it depends if you and Roudy are the subjects or the objects of the sentence. Can you figure that out?

Bloody Hell Mindful..........You have really gone up in my estimations......I take it all back,the shit-talk that is.........Apart from your Myopia/Zionism,I reckon I'm going to enjoy your intelligence and excellent Wit.

Sheeees I got you all wrong,indeed I did.....but never forget I can still be a real cnut...steve

You told me that before. Yawn

What do you mean by Zionism? In your case, it's just a word, a sloppy excuse for lazy thinking.

"The quick brown fox,jumped over the lazy dog"...........Lazy No,Fox Indeed.LOL

I can't explain Zionism at the moment Mindful, as I have a meeting tonight and I don't want to fill my head Full of Shit............LOL..now you never expected THAT did ya.

Of course I expected that. You're full of excuses. Along with that other "stuff". Also beginning with "S".

 

[theliq]

Has he ever heard of the Ottomans?

That would be in middle school aka junior high approx 7th grade, which there is no evidence he made it that far.

Well That is a great comment,never said my mentality went passed 7th Grade Roudy but I do employ over 300 people on three continents,ect.,so I ain't done so bad considering.steve

You make clothes for Primark?

Oooch Mindy..........that was uncalled for...........No we make a product that is SOLD... and enjoyed worldwide(even in Israel) we do use some components from the US and spend in excess of $7million a year there,it's because it's the worlds best and we only use the Best because we are the Best.

As you would appreciate.steven....you may try to belittle but it does you an injustice,something you should be mindful (excuse the delish PUN) of......LOL

So why aren't you in the boardroom? Instead of messing about in here?

Unless you are multi tasking.

Mindy..........I spend the right amount of time in the BR but real work and motivation,actually is done at ground level and with social intercourse,as for multi-tasking.....men ain't so good at .........but I have a PA for that and wonderful woman she is.....how she has put up with me for 30 years I know not.

 

[theliq]

Read Carefully www.1948.org.uk/un-resolution-181/ and stop attempting to shoot the messenger........Titaniumliq LOL

ps...the last 2 sentences says it all really.....as for Mindless,take that silver spoon out of your Ass and Shove it in Your Mouth......because unlike me and Roudy or is that Roudy and I, you talk shit

Read Carefully www.1948.org.uk/un-resolution-181/ and stop attempting to shoot the messenger........Titaniumliq LOL

ps...the last 2 sentences says it all really.....as for Mindless,take that silver spoon out of your Ass and Shove it in Your Mouth......because unlike me and Roudy or is that Roudy and I, you talk shit

In other words, you have no recourse.

As for the grammar, it depends if you and Roudy are the subjects or the objects of the sentence. Can you figure that out?

Bloody Hell Mindful..........You have really gone up in my estimations......I take it all back,the shit-talk that is.........Apart from your Myopia/Zionism,I reckon I'm going to enjoy your intelligence and excellent Wit.

Sheeees I got you all wrong,indeed I did.....but never forget I can still be a real cnut...steve

You told me that before. Yawn

What do you mean by Zionism? In your case, it's just a word, a sloppy excuse for lazy thinking.

"The quick brown fox,jumped over the lazy dog"...........Lazy No,Fox Indeed.LOL

I can't explain Zionism at the moment Mindful, as I have a meeting tonight and I don't want to fill my head Full of Shit............LOL..now you never expected THAT did ya.

Of course I expected that. You're full of excuses. Along with that other "stuff". Also beginning with "S".

Such venom Mindful......Time for a deep dark red(wine that is) methinks and just chill,after the meeting that is..time to fly...st

 

[rhodescholar]

Roudy: don't forget to check them facts, will ya?


lol

What facts are those?

 

[Roudy]

Welcome to the first grade. You see, let's say there are 68% voting rate, right? Likud wins 23% of the votes, Hertzog wins little more than 18%, The Arabs win 11%, all the rest win very little. It's the majority, the 23%, that is going to decide on how the government is going to be assembeled, since they have more chances to form a coalition. In our case, that's the Likud party.

Not so complicated, right?

That's in no way a majority. It's a plurality, but good enough in most parliamentary systems.

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Congratulations to Netanyahu for his victory! It seems like he is very well liked by Jewish folks.

Well 24% of them....that is...steve

That's the way the multi party democratic system works. If the U.S. had a multi party system like Israel, elections would also be determined the same way.

I agree with you Roudy...........America have a strange system indeed,in Australia we have a system where for example lets take the Israeli vote for instance......the lowest party would have their votes distributed to the remaining parties.........this continues until the third highest party have their votes distributed to the remaining two to decide the winner,so you can have the situation of the second highest party gleaning more votes than Likud in this instant and claiming Victory.
Each Ballot paper has every party on it and you number 1 to 8 or what ever........on the ballot paper if you make an error ,the ballot paper becomes invalid

In Australia we have compulsory voting(we feel everyone in society and community,who can vote...should vote) There are large fines for those who do not vote $2000.........we do not take for granted the ability to Vote, Roudy.........it has been hard won.

We find it very strange that someone who has only garnered 24% of the vote could ever be elected to Parliament........Now that is UNDEMOCRATIC...but most countries use this system.Amazingly in this day and age..just sayin steve.......Every vote should and must count,in Australia IT DOES.

Then you didn't understand how the system works. It's a coalition govt. After the votes are cast, the president then confers with various parties to decide which party the prime minister comes from, which comes from the party with the most votes. It's not that different from Australia or most multi party parliamentary democracies.

 

[Roudy]

No such name for the Area "West Bank" prior to 1948. Look it up. The Jordanians changed its name from Judeah and Samaria. It's called Muslim historical revisionism. They invade nations and then pretend all the history and achievements are "Islamic".

Hi Roudy, your summation is based on a false premise actually.............it stems from the inception of Israel itself........althought the General Assembly of the UN made submissions(and Submissions only) for the Partition of the Jews and Palestinians in 1948......this had to be ratified by the UN Security Council to put it into Law....This was NEVER DONE (something few know or have bothered to remember)in fact by law Israel does not exist.......So despite all the waffeling on about the Palestinians......it is in fact the Jews/Israelis who don't have a country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!and are trespassers on Palestinian land (Yes I was quite shocked when I found this out recently).

Just thought I'd let you know.regards steve

I noticed that despite that nonsense you just posted, you never mentioned that the Arabs never had a say as to what happens to the land they never controlled.

Has he ever heard of the Ottomans?

That would be in middle school aka junior high approx 7th grade, which there is no evidence he made it that far.

Well That is a great comment,never said my mentality went passed 7th Grade Roudy but I do employ over 300 people on three continents,ect.,so I ain't done so bad considering.steve

Oh please, an anonymous poster bragging about their status. That's the first sign that the person doing it is a blow hard nobody. In the US, they generally teach kids about the crusades and Ottoman empire in the 7th grade, where you would have learned the entire region including Israel was under Ottoman control for 700 years. They didn't even call it Palestine, they called it Southern Syria. They got conquered by the Brits and French, which gave the entire region to Muslims and Arabs, except Israel, less than one percent of the land given to MUSLIMS. But the intolerant assholes could not accept a land run by JEWS, due to religious reasons, and we are where we are today. The core of the problem remains the same: Muslim hatred and violence towards the other.

 

[Roudy]

Lipush

What do the Israeli "talking heads" say were the driving factors in this victory?

Now they seem (including the Zionist Union pary itself) to be very confused, some say the 'ZU' just miscalculated things, people try to understand how this epic fail happened.

The American left tried to emulate and employ Obama's bullshit 2008 "hope and change" campaign in Israel. There were Obama administration advisors and leftist organizations on the ground working closely with Israeli leftists. Which included these bogus biased polls to provide some momentum for ZU. They never had a lead. Fortunately, Israelis didn't fall for it. They had the luxury of looking in the rear window of six years of the disastrous Obama presidency, and they didn't want that for their country.

 

[Roudy]

Has he ever heard of the Ottomans?

That would be in middle school aka junior high approx 7th grade, which there is no evidence he made it that far.

Well That is a great comment,never said my mentality went passed 7th Grade Roudy but I do employ over 300 people on three continents,ect.,so I ain't done so bad considering.steve

You make clothes for Primark?

Oooch Mindy..........that was uncalled for...........No we make a product that is SOLD... and enjoyed worldwide(even in Israel) we do use some components from the US and spend in excess of $7million a year there,it's because it's the worlds best and we only use the Best because we are the Best.

As you would appreciate.steven....you may try to belittle but it does you an injustice,something you should be mindful (excuse the delish PUN) of......LOL

So why aren't you in the boardroom? Instead of messing about in here?

Unless you are multi tasking.

Board room? You actually fell for that? Ha ha ha.

 

[Coyote]

Lipush

What do the Israeli "talking heads" say were the driving factors in this victory?

Now they seem (including the Zionist Union pary itself) to be very confused, some say the 'ZU' just miscalculated things, people try to understand how this epic fail happened.

If you hear things, I'd love to hear an analysis of it in this thread. Makes for an interesting discussion and this has been a really educational thread on Israeli politics!

 

[Mindful]

That would be in middle school aka junior high approx 7th grade, which there is no evidence he made it that far.

Well That is a great comment,never said my mentality went passed 7th Grade Roudy but I do employ over 300 people on three continents,ect.,so I ain't done so bad considering.steve

You make clothes for Primark?

Oooch Mindy..........that was uncalled for...........No we make a product that is SOLD... and enjoyed worldwide(even in Israel) we do use some components from the US and spend in excess of $7million a year there,it's because it's the worlds best and we only use the Best because we are the Best.

As you would appreciate.steven....you may try to belittle but it does you an injustice,something you should be mindful (excuse the delish PUN) of......LOL

So why aren't you in the boardroom? Instead of messing about in here?

Unless you are multi tasking.

Board room? You actually fell for that? Ha ha ha.

Not atall. I was taking the piss out of him, and he got upset.

 

[Statistikhengst]

Well That is a great comment,never said my mentality went passed 7th Grade Roudy but I do employ over 300 people on three continents,ect.,so I ain't done so bad considering.steve

You make clothes for Primark?

Oooch Mindy..........that was uncalled for...........No we make a product that is SOLD... and enjoyed worldwide(even in Israel) we do use some components from the US and spend in excess of $7million a year there,it's because it's the worlds best and we only use the Best because we are the Best.

As you would appreciate.steven....you may try to belittle but it does you an injustice,something you should be mindful (excuse the delish PUN) of......LOL

So why aren't you in the boardroom? Instead of messing about in here?

Unless you are multi tasking.

Board room? You actually fell for that? Ha ha ha.

Not atall. I was taking the piss out of him, and he got upset.

Oy, Gewalt!

 

[Statistikhengst]

Lipush

What do the Israeli "talking heads" say were the driving factors in this victory?

Now they seem (including the Zionist Union pary itself) to be very confused, some say the 'ZU' just miscalculated things, people try to understand how this epic fail happened.

If you hear things, I'd love to hear an analysis of it in this thread. Makes for an interesting discussion and this has been a really educational thread on Israeli politics!

On the elections thread, in the OP, I provided a link to the polling compilation as well.

Before that thread, I did an exhaustive thread on the polling itself:

Polling in Israel looks tight - statistical tie

Notice that in the title I was even calling it a statistical tie, in spite of the fact that polling was showing ZU 3 to 4 seats ahead of Likud and now it looks like Likud will be at least 5 seats ahead of ZU.

I quote:

"All 13 polls from 03/10 to 03/13 indicate that Netanyahu's Likud is losing ground, but a 2-3 seat difference can still very much be a statistical tie. The Zionist Camp / Labor Party has a tenuous lead, but this can again change overnight...

...The average of those 13 polls that came in over three days time is 21.2 seats in the Knesset for Bibi's Likud and 24.6 for Labor/Hatnuah, a +3.5 aggregate average out of 120 total Knesset seats, or 17.5% for Likud and 20.5% for Labor/Hanuah. That's not enough for either, but whoever ends up with the higher raw total of seats will get first crack at building a viable coalition. And a +3 margin is right or under the edge of most MoEs, so this could be closer than people realize. Wait and see...

...Now, one poll can be wrong. But 13 polls all showing one side with a lead usually means that that side really DOES have the lead. It's the margin that is still so slim that, imo, makes this contest still a tossup. No one should be betting on any horses yet. Memories of Dewey-Truman 1948 remind us that on election day, many things can happen.

That's not propaganda for Bibi, because I am certainly not a huge fan of his: it's just electoral fact."

This is why I never once came out and said that ZU was going to win.

There were 7 or 8 well-known (well, in Israel) polling firms and even the ones known to be very Likud-friendly were showing him losing. For ALL of them to be wrong can indeed mean that there was a techtonic shift at the weekend, because Israeli law forbids a poll to be posted after Schabbat begins on the weekend before the election. This is a detail that most Americans don't know.

I am sure that in the coming weeks, Israeli polling firms (who do not release their internals like most American firms do) will have to confront this, but again, a poll released on Friday can only mean that the last possible polling day for actual survey taking would have been Thursday, which makes for five full days before the election.

I will also remind that since the Knesset has far fewer seats than our US House of Representatives, a 3% or 4% margin makes for a Knesset margin that looks bigger. No one in the USA would call a +4 victory a landslide.

 

[Mindful]

It told me that security and safety were paramount, always has, always will be. While having some concern over cost of living and social issues, Israelis still recognized the threats being posed to their nation by Iran and Hezbollah. No amount of meddling by American President Barack Obama's former campaign operatives was going to change that feeling. An attempt by the selfsame operatives to compromise a foreign nation's elections failed miserably, and that tells me Israelis were smart enough not to fall for it. Israel chose wisely.

Congratulations, Mr. Netanyahu, a well fought and well earned victory is yours!

That is all.

Really what it tells me is he made a last minute appeal to racism to narrowly save his ass and in doing so showed the rest of the world his true colors

Stupid.

 

[TemplarKormac]

It told me that security and safety were paramount, always has, always will be. While having some concern over cost of living and social issues, Israelis still recognized the threats being posed to their nation by Iran and Hezbollah. No amount of meddling by American President Barack Obama's former campaign operatives was going to change that feeling. An attempt by the selfsame operatives to compromise a foreign nation's elections failed miserably, and that tells me Israelis were smart enough not to fall for it. Israel chose wisely.

Congratulations, Mr. Netanyahu, a well fought and well earned victory is yours!

That is all.

Really what it tells me is he made a last minute appeal to racism to narrowly save his ass and in doing so showed the rest of the world his true colors

I'll also point out that if Arabs are allowed to vote and hold seats in the Knesset, Netanyahu isn't racist.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

It told me that security and safety were paramount, always has, always will be. While having some concern over cost of living and social issues, Israelis still recognized the threats being posed to their nation by Iran and Hezbollah. No amount of meddling by American President Barack Obama's former campaign operatives was going to change that feeling. An attempt by the selfsame operatives to compromise a foreign nation's elections failed miserably, and that tells me Israelis were smart enough not to fall for it. Israel chose wisely.

Congratulations, Mr. Netanyahu, a well fought and well earned victory is yours!

That is all.

Really what it tells me is he made a last minute appeal to racism to narrowly save his ass and in doing so showed the rest of the world his true colors

I'll also point out that if Arabs are allowed to vote and hold seats in the Knesset, Netanyahu isn't racist.

How do you figure?

Do you think the Prime Minister of Israel has the power to disenfranchise millions of Israeli citizens?