What makes you lean ‘Left’? What makes nearly all big cities ‘Left’?

[TNHarley]

You are correct that the left feels compassion for those who are suffering.

The right says….Fuk em, I got mine

Liberty over collectivism, comrade.

 

[rightwinger]

Liberty over collectivism, comrade.

Doing the collective good is why we have a Constitution

 

[TNHarley]

Doing the collective good is why we have a Constitution

OMG lol

 

[Dragonlady]

Liberty over collectivism, comrade.

That’s not “Liberty” at all. And leftist policies aren’t “collectivism” either.

Those of us living in countries with universal health care, free education, and a strong social safety net have far more “Liberty” than Americans.

In fact, the USA is down the list of nations with the highest level of personal freedom - 16th in the world. Canada is 5th and many European democracies are ahead of you.

Countries and Territories

Freedom House rates people’s access to political rights and civil liberties in 208 countries and territories through its annual Freedom in the World report. Individual freedoms—ranging from the right to vote to freedom of expression and equality before the law—can be affected by state or...

freedomhouse.org

 

[rightwinger]

OMG lol

Read the General Welfare clause

 

[TNHarley]

That’s not “Liberty” at all. And leftist policies aren’t “collectivism” either.

Those of us living in countries with universal health care, free education, and a strong social safety net have far more “Liberty” than Americans.

In fact, the USA is down the list of nations with the highest level of personal freedom - 16th in the world. Canada is 5th and many European democracies are ahead of you.

Countries and Territories

Freedom House rates people’s access to political rights and civil liberties in 208 countries and territories through its annual Freedom in the World report. Individual freedoms—ranging from the right to vote to freedom of expression and equality before the law—can be affected by state or...

freedomhouse.org

Govt control of your healthcare is freedom.
Leftists are stupid.

 

[TNHarley]

Read the General Welfare clause

You dont even know what that means.
Also, they can only use their enumerated powers to do it. Like keeping states in check. Not sending shelly in the trailer park a thousand dollars a month, simply for existing.

 

[rightwinger]

You dont even know what that means.
Also, they can only use their enumerated powers to do it. Like keeping states in check. Not sending shelly in the trailer park a thousand dollars a month, simply for existing.

General Welfare means do what is best for We the People

Your concept of enumerated powers has never held up in court

 

[TNHarley]

General Welfare means do what is best for We the People

Your concept of enumerated powers has never held up in court

Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated.

Thomas Jefferson

If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one.

James Madison
With respect to the words "general welfare," I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators.

James Madison

Our tenet ever was . . . that Congress had not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but were restrained to those specifically enumerated; and that, as it was never meant that they should provide for that welfare but by the exercise of the enumerated powers, so it could not have been meant they should raise money for purposes which the enumeration did not place under their action.

Thomas Jefferson

The founders and the person that wrote the damn thing disagree with you.

 

[Dragonlady]

Govt control of your healthcare is freedom.
Leftists are stupid.

The government doesn’t “control my healthcare”, my doctors control my healthcare. And yes, not having to cough up thousands in copays or having coverages declined, is most definitely freedom.

I recently suffered a massive heart attack. It cost me $45 for the ambulance to take me to the hospital. I had emergency surgery and spent 5 days in the ICU. I spent $200 on a blood pressure cuff and prescriptions when I went home. Less than $250 in costs for lifesaving treatment by the EMT’s, an emergency angiogram and stent, 5 days in the ICU, plus follow up treatment and testing.

I’m having nuclear testing on my heart to determine my recovery. My doctors don’t have to get pre-authorizations for any of this. And it’s all fully covered. I’ve never seen a bill or been refused treatment.

There are no bankruptcies due to medical bills in Canada. That’s the very definition of freedom.

 

[rightwinger]

Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated.

Thomas Jefferson

If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one.

James Madison
With respect to the words "general welfare," I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators.

James Madison

Our tenet ever was . . . that Congress had not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but were restrained to those specifically enumerated; and that, as it was never meant that they should provide for that welfare but by the exercise of the enumerated powers, so it could not have been meant they should raise money for purposes which the enumeration did not place under their action.

Thomas Jefferson

The founders and the person that wrote the damn thing disagree with you.

Opinions vs 250 years of reality
Courts do not agree with you

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Govt control of your healthcare is freedom.
Leftists are stupid.

It sure beats control by corporations.
How many countries in the world are waiting in line to adopt the US healthcare system?
RWNJ's are communist.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated.

Thomas Jefferson

If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one.

James Madison
With respect to the words "general welfare," I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators.

James Madison

Our tenet ever was . . . that Congress had not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but were restrained to those specifically enumerated; and that, as it was never meant that they should provide for that welfare but by the exercise of the enumerated powers, so it could not have been meant they should raise money for purposes which the enumeration did not place under their action.

Thomas Jefferson

The founders and the person that wrote the damn thing disagree with you.

NO, they don't you Fuking retard.

Read THE constitution, not DRAFTS of the constitution

 

[rightwinger]

It sure beats control by corporations.
How many countries in the world are waiting in line to adopt the US healthcare system?
RWNJ's are communist.

What other country would allow healthcare to be decided by your employer and a mega for profit insurer?

 

[Harry Dresden]

It sure beats control by corporations.
How many countries in the world are waiting in line to adopt the US healthcare system?
RWNJ's are communist.

fancy they call you people communist too....you both are so much alike...

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

What other country would allow healthcare to be decided by your employer and a mega for profit insurer?

Keeps you tied to likely, a shitty job and shitty insurance TIED to that job.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Keeps you tied to likely, a shitty job and shitty insurance TIED to that job.

get a govt job like i did and get great ins...

 

[gipper]

It sure beats control by corporations.
How many countries in the world are waiting in line to adopt the US healthcare system?
RWNJ's are communist.

Agreed, but there are problems with that. Unfortunately our government is completely controlled by big corporations, billionaires, big pharma, and the MIC. So, government control might not be a great solution, but likely better than the current cluster f**k.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

fancy they call you people communist too....you both are so much alike...

GOOD.

At least the communist you despise, have universal healthcare.

Guide to Health Insurance and Healthcare System in China​

InterNations
https://www.internations.org › china-expats › healthcare
China does have free public healthcare which is under the country's social insurance plan. The healthcare system provides basic coverage for the majority of the of the native population and, in most cases, expats as well. However, it will depend on the region you reside in.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

get a govt job like i did and get great ins...

What happens if you LOSE that JOB?