What kind of sci fi show would anger the red blooded reality show watching NFL loving people of suburban America?

[fncceo]

How is that War on Poverty working out.

The poor turned out to be harder to eradicate than first thought.

Now we could do it with conventional weapons, but that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.

 

[fncceo]

People are not so optimistic anymore. It's why sci-fi is mostly a bunch of dismal combat dystopias these days. On nearly all of these it is implied that conservative types fucked up the world in some way.

But ... people were significantly more optimistic in the post-war era. We were promised clean, gleaming cities of glass, vacations to the moon, and non-stop Perry Como music and people looked forward to it. I don't think anyone can argue the world wasn't more optimistic in the conservative '40s and '50s.

 

[occupied]

People are not so optimistic anymore. It's why sci-fi is mostly a bunch of dismal combat dystopias these days. On nearly all of these it is implied that conservative types fucked up the world in some way.

But ... people were significantly more optimistic in the post-war era. We were promised clean, gleaming cities of glass, vacations to the moon, and non-stop Perry Como music and people looked forward to it. I don't think anyone can argue the world wasn't more optimistic in the conservative '40s and '50s.

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In the 40s-50s my parents were thanking God and Roosevelt for the first real paychecks their sharecropper families had ever seen. No one promised them rockets to the moon but the rural electrification project transformed their lives.

 

[Correll]

People are not so optimistic anymore. It's why sci-fi is mostly a bunch of dismal combat dystopias these days. On nearly all of these it is implied that conservative types fucked up the world in some way.

But ... people were significantly more optimistic in the post-war era. We were promised clean, gleaming cities of glass, vacations to the moon, and non-stop Perry Como music and people looked forward to it. I don't think anyone can argue the world wasn't more optimistic in the conservative '40s and '50s.

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In the 40s-50s my parents were thanking God and Roosevelt for the first real paychecks their sharecropper families had ever seen. No one promised them rockets to the moon but the rural electrification project transformed their lives.

Today's liberals would fight against the building of the damns that created that power.

 

[occupied]

People are not so optimistic anymore. It's why sci-fi is mostly a bunch of dismal combat dystopias these days. On nearly all of these it is implied that conservative types fucked up the world in some way.

But ... people were significantly more optimistic in the post-war era. We were promised clean, gleaming cities of glass, vacations to the moon, and non-stop Perry Como music and people looked forward to it. I don't think anyone can argue the world wasn't more optimistic in the conservative '40s and '50s.

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In the 40s-50s my parents were thanking God and Roosevelt for the first real paychecks their sharecropper families had ever seen. No one promised them rockets to the moon but the rural electrification project transformed their lives.

Today's liberals would fight against the building of the damns that created that power.

Today's conservatives too. Apparently infrastructure is not something worth investing in anymore even though it always pays off in economic activity. Not sure how you think we can build your shining conservative future without building anything new.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

People are not so optimistic anymore. It's why sci-fi is mostly a bunch of dismal combat dystopias these days. On nearly all of these it is implied that conservative types fucked up the world in some way.

But ... people were significantly more optimistic in the post-war era. We were promised clean, gleaming cities of glass, vacations to the moon, and non-stop Perry Como music and people looked forward to it. I don't think anyone can argue the world wasn't more optimistic in the conservative '40s and '50s.

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In the 40s-50s my parents were thanking God and Roosevelt for the first real paychecks their sharecropper families had ever seen. No one promised them rockets to the moon but the rural electrification project transformed their lives.

Today's liberals would fight against the building of the damns that created that power.

"Well, I will be dammed", said the river!

 

[fncceo]

In the 40s-50s my parents were thanking God and Roosevelt for the first real paychecks

That doesn't say a lot for your parents...

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

In the 40s-50s my parents were thanking God and Roosevelt for the first real paychecks

That doesn't say a lot for your parents...

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That could easily be a picture of either of my parent's family. What's it to you?

My father was a sharecropper until the 1950s.

 

[fncceo]

In the 40s-50s my parents were thanking God and Roosevelt for the first real paychecks

That doesn't say a lot for your parents...

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That could easily be a picture of either of my parent's family. What's it to you?

My father was a sharecropper until the 1950s.

There is nothing wrong with sharecropping. It's honest labor. Does your father thank the government for his first paycheck as well?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

In the 40s-50s my parents were thanking God and Roosevelt for the first real paychecks

That doesn't say a lot for your parents...

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That could easily be a picture of either of my parent's family. What's it to you?

My father was a sharecropper until the 1950s.

There is nothing wrong with sharecropping. It's honest labor. Does your father thank the government for his first paycheck as well?

Funny you should say that. When he left the Army in 1945,, he worked for the TVA. So did my uncle when he left the Navy the same year.

 

[miketx]

 

[fncceo]

In the 40s-50s my parents were thanking God and Roosevelt for the first real paychecks

That doesn't say a lot for your parents...

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That could easily be a picture of either of my parent's family. What's it to you?

My father was a sharecropper until the 1950s.

There is nothing wrong with sharecropping. It's honest labor. Does your father thank the government for his first paycheck as well?

Funny you should say that. When he left the Army in 1945,, he worked for the TVA. So did my uncle when he left the Navy the same year.

If your father and uncle were in the war, then they need not thank government for their pay. The government should be thanking them.

 

[daveman]

We had a show in the 1960s, 1980s, and 1990s that got people excited for space and the future. It was called "Star Trek" and it is still on but is now is really generic and tries to hard to be like "Mass Effect".

Our generation needs it's own Star Trek.

I have an idea that will enrage the red blooded reality show NFL watching people of suburban America!

A show set aboard a spaceship like the Galactica from "Battlestar Galactica" or space station like Babylon 5. The society on this spacecraft is based on modern American society but this society has no fear of vaccines and GMO food. There is sex education like in Europe and a lower drinking age. Teenagers are able to get astronaut training.

What would you think of that idea?

Would there still be a sports culture? Or would kids think astronaut stuff is cooler in such an environment? Or would there be more safer and high tech sports?

Get woke, go broke. Nobody wants to watch preachy entertainment that blames them for everything.

 

[fncceo]

Not sure how you think we can build your shining conservative future without building anything new.

Howard Roarke builds the future. Peter Keating builds the past.

 

[daveman]

People are not so optimistic anymore. It's why sci-fi is mostly a bunch of dismal combat dystopias these days. On nearly all of these it is implied that conservative types fucked up the world in some way.

While in reality it is lefties that leading the charge into decline and fall.

The shows usually depict an all too plausible scenario where society refused to effectively deal with some crisis or had a stupid war that consumed the world. That's conservatism all the way. I can't say what the future holds but if our society collapses it will be from dumbasses doing everything they can to avoid dealing with the problems of the future.

How is that War on Poverty working out. You winning anytime soon. Or does it just keep going ang growing, until it consumes the entire government budget and vast segments of society and buries just about anything and everything else we as a society might want to do.


Note the lack of any question marks. That was not an error.


LOL!!!!

The sci fi scenarios where the poor are abandoned/enslaved while the rich live behind walls don't work out too well for anyone. It is a rule of human society that peace cannot be maintained when there are too many hungry people. Did you think the "war on poverty" was humanitarian? It was to find the minimum amount of expense to manitain order in a plutocracy.

Not a bad pivot. I almost didn't notice that you failed to address my point.


Anyhow. I accept your running away from my point as an admission that you know my point was right.


We are in agreement. LIberals don't deal with problems. THey talk about them, they "address" them. THey use them to rile up the base and use them to throw money around, just accidentally creating voting blocs for themselves.


Conservatives want a prosperous and free and high energy future.


YOu libs seem to want a cross between Little House on the Prairie and Dark Angel.

Just staying on topic. Speculation about the future should include some plausible future outcome of whatever it is you think we ought to be doing.

Liberals have trouble grasping the reality of the present. What makes you think you can predict the future?

 

[daveman]

People are not so optimistic anymore. It's why sci-fi is mostly a bunch of dismal combat dystopias these days. On nearly all of these it is implied that conservative types fucked up the world in some way.

While in reality it is lefties that leading the charge into decline and fall.

The shows usually depict an all too plausible scenario where society refused to effectively deal with some crisis or had a stupid war that consumed the world. That's conservatism all the way. I can't say what the future holds but if our society collapses it will be from dumbasses doing everything they can to avoid dealing with the problems of the future.

How is that War on Poverty working out. You winning anytime soon. Or does it just keep going ang growing, until it consumes the entire government budget and vast segments of society and buries just about anything and everything else we as a society might want to do.


Note the lack of any question marks. That was not an error.


LOL!!!!

The sci fi scenarios where the poor are abandoned/enslaved while the rich live behind walls don't work out too well for anyone. It is a rule of human society that peace cannot be maintained when there are too many hungry people. Did you think the "war on poverty" was humanitarian? It was to find the minimum amount of expense to manitain order in a plutocracy.

Not a bad pivot. I almost didn't notice that you failed to address my point.


Anyhow. I accept your running away from my point as an admission that you know my point was right.


We are in agreement. LIberals don't deal with problems. THey talk about them, they "address" them. THey use them to rile up the base and use them to throw money around, just accidentally creating voting blocs for themselves.


Conservatives want a prosperous and free and high energy future.


YOu libs seem to want a cross between Little House on the Prairie and Dark Angel.

Just staying on topic. Speculation about the future should include some plausible future outcome of whatever it is you think we ought to be doing.

Fair enough. My point on the way liberals don't solve problems stands.

A good sci fi show, imo, would need an underlying message that answers that, in order to engage the viewers.

Jesus said the poor will always be with us. Poverty is not something that can be solved, only managed. A plausible optimistic future scenario should deal with how we answer the age-old problem of resources not being equally spread around the world and opportunity not being equally spread through society. The answer is of course to make things more equal in some way.

SPACE COMMUNISM!!!

 

[fncceo]

People are not so optimistic anymore. It's why sci-fi is mostly a bunch of dismal combat dystopias these days. On nearly all of these it is implied that conservative types fucked up the world in some way.

While in reality it is lefties that leading the charge into decline and fall.

The shows usually depict an all too plausible scenario where society refused to effectively deal with some crisis or had a stupid war that consumed the world. That's conservatism all the way. I can't say what the future holds but if our society collapses it will be from dumbasses doing everything they can to avoid dealing with the problems of the future.

How is that War on Poverty working out. You winning anytime soon. Or does it just keep going ang growing, until it consumes the entire government budget and vast segments of society and buries just about anything and everything else we as a society might want to do.


Note the lack of any question marks. That was not an error.


LOL!!!!

The sci fi scenarios where the poor are abandoned/enslaved while the rich live behind walls don't work out too well for anyone. It is a rule of human society that peace cannot be maintained when there are too many hungry people. Did you think the "war on poverty" was humanitarian? It was to find the minimum amount of expense to manitain order in a plutocracy.

Not a bad pivot. I almost didn't notice that you failed to address my point.


Anyhow. I accept your running away from my point as an admission that you know my point was right.


We are in agreement. LIberals don't deal with problems. THey talk about them, they "address" them. THey use them to rile up the base and use them to throw money around, just accidentally creating voting blocs for themselves.


Conservatives want a prosperous and free and high energy future.


YOu libs seem to want a cross between Little House on the Prairie and Dark Angel.

Just staying on topic. Speculation about the future should include some plausible future outcome of whatever it is you think we ought to be doing.

Fair enough. My point on the way liberals don't solve problems stands.

A good sci fi show, imo, would need an underlying message that answers that, in order to engage the viewers.

Jesus said the poor will always be with us. Poverty is not something that can be solved, only managed. A plausible optimistic future scenario should deal with how we answer the age-old problem of resources not being equally spread around the world and opportunity not being equally spread through society. The answer is of course to make things more equal in some way.

SPACE COMMUNISM!!!

A lot has been speculated about "Star Trek" and the economy of the future. Gene Roddenberry wrote, with precious little detail, about how the future economy would not be based on the acquisition of wealth and that everyone would be free to follow his or her own desires.

But, when you look at the details, Starfleet is a very elitist group. They have high standards for intelligence, physical fitness, and moralistic behavior (although Kirk would never make it past the #metoo movement).

For those who aren't in Starfleet, they are bound to their home planet or scraping out a meager existence on a colony or space station somewhere. Starfleet controls who gets technology, warp engines, transporters, and replicator technology that would mean better lives for millions is hoarded by Starfleet. There are poor in the "Star Trek" universe. It appears most of the "Star Trek" universe, outside of Starfleet are eager to acquire wealth and trade in commodities is universal (literally).

Even in our dreams of the future, we cannot help but create worlds of massive inequity and injustice, as if those things are as natural to the human condition as breathing.

 

[citygator]

Star Trek economy was about as egalitarian as it comes. People worked to be better versions of themselves not for material needs. Maybe we’ll get there.

 

[occupied]

In the 40s-50s my parents were thanking God and Roosevelt for the first real paychecks

That doesn't say a lot for your parents...

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I've seen old photos of my parents, grandparents and great-grand parents that look just like this. I'm proud we have come so far from having so little.

 

[occupied]

In the 40s-50s my parents were thanking God and Roosevelt for the first real paychecks

That doesn't say a lot for your parents...

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That could easily be a picture of either of my parent's family. What's it to you?

My father was a sharecropper until the 1950s.

There is nothing wrong with sharecropping. It's honest labor. Does your father thank the government for his first paycheck as well?

Funny you should say that. When he left the Army in 1945,, he worked for the TVA. So did my uncle when he left the Navy the same year.

If your father and uncle were in the war, then they need not thank government for their pay. The government should be thanking them.

You seem to be unaware of what the south looked like before the new deal. It's quite interesting to see how quickly things improved once someone started giving a shit about a bunch of dirt farmers.