What kind of horrible, dangerous places do these people live that hey have to go out armed?

[BULLDOG]

I support the Constitutional right of Americans to keep and carry arms 100%, but it does strike me as a little spineless if someone is too frightened to step foot outside if not packing.
Someone around here has gone so far as to say he’s too scared to go get his mail without a gun. That’s all the way to chickenshitville.

You will see more and more carry. And when the dust clears, the chickenshits will still be alive while those macho brown shirts and bad guys will be dead. Confucious say.....gun beats the perp trying to do the beat down.

Confucious say......Dumb ass gun nuts are just as likely to shoot themselves or an innocent person. Since cops can't tell a dumb ass gun nut from the bad guy, they might take him out too. Dumb ass gun nuts are dumb asses to play cops and robbers.

/----/ Using your logic - if you drive a car and if you drink alcohol the presumption is you are a drunk driver and must be tossed in jail.

No. If you have a history of breaking driving laws, you should not be allowed to legally drive. If you have a history of being a thug, you should not be able to legally buy a gun. We only do background checks for drivers, not gun purchasers.

Stop backpedaling

You said a person is a "good guy" right up until they commit a crime

So that applies to you too and you should have your rights curbed because it's only a matter of time before you commit a crime

No. I said gun nuts and the NRA consider those thugs to be a good guy. A thug is a thug. We need background checks to point that out to gun sellers.

 

[Cellblock2429]

You will see more and more carry. And when the dust clears, the chickenshits will still be alive while those macho brown shirts and bad guys will be dead. Confucious say.....gun beats the perp trying to do the beat down.

Confucious say......Dumb ass gun nuts are just as likely to shoot themselves or an innocent person. Since cops can't tell a dumb ass gun nut from the bad guy, they might take him out too. Dumb ass gun nuts are dumb asses to play cops and robbers.

/----/ Using your logic - if you drive a car and if you drink alcohol the presumption is you are a drunk driver and must be tossed in jail.

No. If you have a history of breaking driving laws, you should not be allowed to legally drive. If you have a history of being a thug, you should not be able to legally buy a gun. We only do background checks for drivers, not gun purchasers.

Stop backpedaling

You said a person is a "good guy" right up until they commit a crime

So that applies to you too and you should have your rights curbed because it's only a matter of time before you commit a crime

No. I said gun nuts and the NRA consider those thugs to be a good guy. A thug is a thug. We need background checks to point that out to gun sellers.

/---/ Like we need voter id laws to weed out illegals?

 

[Blues Man]

You will see more and more carry. And when the dust clears, the chickenshits will still be alive while those macho brown shirts and bad guys will be dead. Confucious say.....gun beats the perp trying to do the beat down.

Confucious say......Dumb ass gun nuts are just as likely to shoot themselves or an innocent person. Since cops can't tell a dumb ass gun nut from the bad guy, they might take him out too. Dumb ass gun nuts are dumb asses to play cops and robbers.

/----/ Using your logic - if you drive a car and if you drink alcohol the presumption is you are a drunk driver and must be tossed in jail.

No. If you have a history of breaking driving laws, you should not be allowed to legally drive. If you have a history of being a thug, you should not be able to legally buy a gun. We only do background checks for drivers, not gun purchasers.

Stop backpedaling

You said a person is a "good guy" right up until they commit a crime

So that applies to you too and you should have your rights curbed because it's only a matter of time before you commit a crime

No. I said gun nuts and the NRA consider those thugs to be a good guy. A thug is a thug. We need background checks to point that out to gun sellers.

So you should have a background check before you have kids too.

 

[BULLDOG]

You will see more and more carry. And when the dust clears, the chickenshits will still be alive while those macho brown shirts and bad guys will be dead. Confucious say.....gun beats the perp trying to do the beat down.

Confucious say......Dumb ass gun nuts are just as likely to shoot themselves or an innocent person. Since cops can't tell a dumb ass gun nut from the bad guy, they might take him out too. Dumb ass gun nuts are dumb asses to play cops and robbers.

/----/ Using your logic - if you drive a car and if you drink alcohol the presumption is you are a drunk driver and must be tossed in jail.

No. If you have a history of breaking driving laws, you should not be allowed to legally drive. If you have a history of being a thug, you should not be able to legally buy a gun. We only do background checks for drivers, not gun purchasers.

Every single gun purchase I ever made was subject to a background check
My CC permit was subject to a background check

Same here. Multiple background checks for gun purchases over the years, and for my carry permit. In addition, I once had an 01 FFL, so had to go through a very invasive background check, finger printing, and a three hour interview by a BATF agent.

So you should be in favor of universal checks so everyone can be checked just like you were.

 

[Pilot1]

Confucious say......Dumb ass gun nuts are just as likely to shoot themselves or an innocent person. Since cops can't tell a dumb ass gun nut from the bad guy, they might take him out too. Dumb ass gun nuts are dumb asses to play cops and robbers.

/----/ Using your logic - if you drive a car and if you drink alcohol the presumption is you are a drunk driver and must be tossed in jail.

No. If you have a history of breaking driving laws, you should not be allowed to legally drive. If you have a history of being a thug, you should not be able to legally buy a gun. We only do background checks for drivers, not gun purchasers.

Every single gun purchase I ever made was subject to a background check
My CC permit was subject to a background check

Same here. Multiple background checks for gun purchases over the years, and for my carry permit. In addition, I once had an 01 FFL, so had to go through a very invasive background check, finger printing, and a three hour interview by a BATF agent.

/----/ I can't imagine what they had to ask you that took 3 hours.

The first hour were questions, the next two were a lecture. This was during the Clinton Admin, and their marching orders were to try to curtail the number of FFL's in the country through any means they could including INTIMIDATION. I just nodded my head and said yes sir.

 

[BULLDOG]

Gun nuts and the NRA consider an armed thug on the way to his first armed robbery to be a good guy with a gun right up until the second he robs the store.

That's a flawed argument

I could argue you are a drunk driver in waiting so should I suspend your drivers licence today?
I could argue that you are an abusive parent in waiting so should I call DCF to have your kids taken away?

If I have a history of breaking driving laws, I should not be allowed to drive. Thankfully, they have a universal background check for that before my license is issued. We should have a universal check before a gun can be legally bought.

/'-----/ "If I have a history of breaking driving laws, I should not be allowed to drive"
Lame response. I don't have a history of criminal activity, but in NY getting even a target permit is near impossible.

Don't know or care about local NY laws. I'm talking federal.

There are no federal laws regarding concealed carry

Federal Gun Laws: What Places Are Off-Limits With The FEDS?

We're talking background checks. Try to keep up.

 

[Blues Man]

That's a flawed argument

I could argue you are a drunk driver in waiting so should I suspend your drivers licence today?
I could argue that you are an abusive parent in waiting so should I call DCF to have your kids taken away?

If I have a history of breaking driving laws, I should not be allowed to drive. Thankfully, they have a universal background check for that before my license is issued. We should have a universal check before a gun can be legally bought.

/'-----/ "If I have a history of breaking driving laws, I should not be allowed to drive"
Lame response. I don't have a history of criminal activity, but in NY getting even a target permit is near impossible.

Don't know or care about local NY laws. I'm talking federal.

There are no federal laws regarding concealed carry

Federal Gun Laws: What Places Are Off-Limits With The FEDS?

We're talking background checks. Try to keep up.

you're the one who doesn't know federal law

Federal Gun Laws: What Places Are Off-Limits With The FEDS?

Persons Banned From Firearm Possession
The Federal Gun Control Act of 1968 and the Federal Omnibus Consolidated Appropriations Act of 1997 makes it illegal for a person who fits into any of the following categories to receive or possess a firearm. These laws prevent the State from issuing a Pistol Permit because it would be illegal for people who fit in these categories, by Federal law, to own or possess a gun.

• Fugitives from justice
• Persons who are unlawful users of or are addicted to narcotics or any other controlled substances
• Persons adjudicated as a mental defective or who have been committed to a mental institution
• Persons who have been convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one (1) year
• Persons who are under indictment for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one (1) year
• Military veterans discharged under dishonorable conditions
• Persons who have renounced U.S. citizenship
• Aliens illegally in the U.S.
• Persons subject to a court order that restrains them from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such intimate partner
• And persons convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence

18 USC 922 (d) - Prohibited persons
It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person—

1. is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
2. is a fugitive from justice;
3. is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802));
4. has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution;
5. who, being an alien— (A) is illegally or unlawfully in the United States; or (B) except as provided in subsection (y)(2), has been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101 (a)(26)));
6. who [2] has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;
7. who, having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced his citizenship;
8. is subject to a court order that restrains such person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner of such person or child of such intimate partner or person, or engaging in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child, except that this paragraph shall only apply to a court order that—
   • (A) was issued after a hearing of which such person received actual notice, and at which such person had the opportunity to participate; and
   • (B) (i) includes a finding that such person represents a credible threat to the physical safety of such intimate partner or child; or (ii) by its terms explicitly prohibits the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against such intimate partner or child that would reasonably be expected to cause bodily injury; or
9. has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.

So if ANYONE sells to any person who fits any of the above descriptions then that person is committing a crime

So the law you want is already there

 

[BULLDOG]

Confucious say......Dumb ass gun nuts are just as likely to shoot themselves or an innocent person. Since cops can't tell a dumb ass gun nut from the bad guy, they might take him out too. Dumb ass gun nuts are dumb asses to play cops and robbers.

/----/ Using your logic - if you drive a car and if you drink alcohol the presumption is you are a drunk driver and must be tossed in jail.

No. If you have a history of breaking driving laws, you should not be allowed to legally drive. If you have a history of being a thug, you should not be able to legally buy a gun. We only do background checks for drivers, not gun purchasers.

Every single gun purchase I ever made was subject to a background check
My CC permit was subject to a background check

Come on down to Texas. You can legally buy a truck load of guns, and nobody even has to ask your name. Federal law allows that.

No it doesn't

Persons Banned From Firearm Possession
The Federal Gun Control Act of 1968 and the Federal Omnibus Consolidated Appropriations Act of 1997 makes it illegal for a person who fits into any of the following categories to receive or possess a firearm. These laws prevent the State from issuing a Pistol Permit because it would be illegal for people who fit in these categories, by Federal law, to own or possess a gun.

• Fugitives from justice
• Persons who are unlawful users of or are addicted to narcotics or any other controlled substances
• Persons adjudicated as a mental defective or who have been committed to a mental institution
• Persons who have been convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one (1) year
• Persons who are under indictment for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one (1) year
• Military veterans discharged under dishonorable conditions
• Persons who have renounced U.S. citizenship
• Aliens illegally in the U.S.
• Persons subject to a court order that restrains them from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such intimate partner
• And persons convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence

So if a person sells to any of these people he is committing a crime

Only if it can be proven that the seller knew of any of that. Without any kind of background check, the seller is able to say he wasn't aware of any of that, and sell to whomever he wants.

 

[Blues Man]

/----/ Using your logic - if you drive a car and if you drink alcohol the presumption is you are a drunk driver and must be tossed in jail.

No. If you have a history of breaking driving laws, you should not be allowed to legally drive. If you have a history of being a thug, you should not be able to legally buy a gun. We only do background checks for drivers, not gun purchasers.

Every single gun purchase I ever made was subject to a background check
My CC permit was subject to a background check

Come on down to Texas. You can legally buy a truck load of guns, and nobody even has to ask your name. Federal law allows that.

No it doesn't

Persons Banned From Firearm Possession
The Federal Gun Control Act of 1968 and the Federal Omnibus Consolidated Appropriations Act of 1997 makes it illegal for a person who fits into any of the following categories to receive or possess a firearm. These laws prevent the State from issuing a Pistol Permit because it would be illegal for people who fit in these categories, by Federal law, to own or possess a gun.

• Fugitives from justice
• Persons who are unlawful users of or are addicted to narcotics or any other controlled substances
• Persons adjudicated as a mental defective or who have been committed to a mental institution
• Persons who have been convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one (1) year
• Persons who are under indictment for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one (1) year
• Military veterans discharged under dishonorable conditions
• Persons who have renounced U.S. citizenship
• Aliens illegally in the U.S.
• Persons subject to a court order that restrains them from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such intimate partner
• And persons convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence

So if a person sells to any of these people he is committing a crime

Only if it can be proven that the seller knew of any of that. Without any kind of background check, the seller is able to say he wasn't aware of any of that, and sell to whomever he wants.

Where does it say that under the federal laws? Federal law has said anyone falling into any category of the prohibited persons I listed cannot own or receive a firearm. PERIOD

You are confusing state and federal laws

 

[BULLDOG]

I support the Constitutional right of Americans to keep and carry arms 100%, but it does strike me as a little spineless if someone is too frightened to step foot outside if not packing.
Someone around here has gone so far as to say he’s too scared to go get his mail without a gun. That’s all the way to chickenshitville.

You will see more and more carry. And when the dust clears, the chickenshits will still be alive while those macho brown shirts and bad guys will be dead. Confucious say.....gun beats the perp trying to do the beat down.

Confucious say......Dumb ass gun nuts are just as likely to shoot themselves or an innocent person. Since cops can't tell a dumb ass gun nut from the bad guy, they might take him out too. Dumb ass gun nuts are dumb asses to play cops and robbers.

You need to know the people you demean. There are accidents and murders everywhere. But it is in progressive socialist areas where it is like a reality paint ball game with all of the consequences. You make things up. Here is your first lesson. The deplorables/dregs are much better shooters then the urbanites in percentage. The question is with the cops is what side they will be on if totalitarian gun confiscation laws are passed by the people who caused all of this misery in the first place.

This isn't the right place for your tinfoil hat conspiracy theories. There will be no armed confrontation. No civil war. It's nuts to think there will be.

 

[BULLDOG]

Confucious say......Dumb ass gun nuts are just as likely to shoot themselves or an innocent person. Since cops can't tell a dumb ass gun nut from the bad guy, they might take him out too. Dumb ass gun nuts are dumb asses to play cops and robbers.

/----/ Using your logic - if you drive a car and if you drink alcohol the presumption is you are a drunk driver and must be tossed in jail.

No. If you have a history of breaking driving laws, you should not be allowed to legally drive. If you have a history of being a thug, you should not be able to legally buy a gun. We only do background checks for drivers, not gun purchasers.

Stop backpedaling

You said a person is a "good guy" right up until they commit a crime

So that applies to you too and you should have your rights curbed because it's only a matter of time before you commit a crime

No. I said gun nuts and the NRA consider those thugs to be a good guy. A thug is a thug. We need background checks to point that out to gun sellers.

/---/ Like we need voter id laws to weed out illegals?

No. Why do right wingers always have so much trouble staying on subject? Are you trying to copy Hannity, or just have a short attention span?

 

[BULLDOG]

Confucious say......Dumb ass gun nuts are just as likely to shoot themselves or an innocent person. Since cops can't tell a dumb ass gun nut from the bad guy, they might take him out too. Dumb ass gun nuts are dumb asses to play cops and robbers.

/----/ Using your logic - if you drive a car and if you drink alcohol the presumption is you are a drunk driver and must be tossed in jail.

No. If you have a history of breaking driving laws, you should not be allowed to legally drive. If you have a history of being a thug, you should not be able to legally buy a gun. We only do background checks for drivers, not gun purchasers.

Stop backpedaling

You said a person is a "good guy" right up until they commit a crime

So that applies to you too and you should have your rights curbed because it's only a matter of time before you commit a crime

No. I said gun nuts and the NRA consider those thugs to be a good guy. A thug is a thug. We need background checks to point that out to gun sellers.

So you should have a background check before you have kids too.

When it gets to where my kid can accidentally go off and kill you in Walmart, we can talk about background checks for kids.

 

[BULLDOG]

If I have a history of breaking driving laws, I should not be allowed to drive. Thankfully, they have a universal background check for that before my license is issued. We should have a universal check before a gun can be legally bought.

/'-----/ "If I have a history of breaking driving laws, I should not be allowed to drive"
Lame response. I don't have a history of criminal activity, but in NY getting even a target permit is near impossible.

Don't know or care about local NY laws. I'm talking federal.

There are no federal laws regarding concealed carry

Federal Gun Laws: What Places Are Off-Limits With The FEDS?

We're talking background checks. Try to keep up.

you're the one who doesn't know federal law

Federal Gun Laws: What Places Are Off-Limits With The FEDS?

Persons Banned From Firearm Possession
The Federal Gun Control Act of 1968 and the Federal Omnibus Consolidated Appropriations Act of 1997 makes it illegal for a person who fits into any of the following categories to receive or possess a firearm. These laws prevent the State from issuing a Pistol Permit because it would be illegal for people who fit in these categories, by Federal law, to own or possess a gun.

• Fugitives from justice
• Persons who are unlawful users of or are addicted to narcotics or any other controlled substances
• Persons adjudicated as a mental defective or who have been committed to a mental institution
• Persons who have been convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one (1) year
• Persons who are under indictment for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one (1) year
• Military veterans discharged under dishonorable conditions
• Persons who have renounced U.S. citizenship
• Aliens illegally in the U.S.
• Persons subject to a court order that restrains them from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such intimate partner
• And persons convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence

18 USC 922 (d) - Prohibited persons
It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person—

1. is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
2. is a fugitive from justice;
3. is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802));
4. has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution;
5. who, being an alien— (A) is illegally or unlawfully in the United States; or (B) except as provided in subsection (y)(2), has been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101 (a)(26)));
6. who [2] has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;
7. who, having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced his citizenship;
8. is subject to a court order that restrains such person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner of such person or child of such intimate partner or person, or engaging in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child, except that this paragraph shall only apply to a court order that—
   • (A) was issued after a hearing of which such person received actual notice, and at which such person had the opportunity to participate; and
   • (B) (i) includes a finding that such person represents a credible threat to the physical safety of such intimate partner or child; or (ii) by its terms explicitly prohibits the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against such intimate partner or child that would reasonably be expected to cause bodily injury; or
9. has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.

So if ANYONE sells to any person who fits any of the above descriptions then that person is committing a crime

So the law you want is already there

Those laws only apply if the seller is aware of any reason the purchaser isn't allowed to buy

18 USC 922 (d) - Prohibited persons
It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe such person—

Without a background check, the seller has no way to know or have reasonable cause to believe any of that stuff.

 

[BULLDOG]

No. If you have a history of breaking driving laws, you should not be allowed to legally drive. If you have a history of being a thug, you should not be able to legally buy a gun. We only do background checks for drivers, not gun purchasers.

Every single gun purchase I ever made was subject to a background check
My CC permit was subject to a background check

Come on down to Texas. You can legally buy a truck load of guns, and nobody even has to ask your name. Federal law allows that.

No it doesn't

Persons Banned From Firearm Possession
The Federal Gun Control Act of 1968 and the Federal Omnibus Consolidated Appropriations Act of 1997 makes it illegal for a person who fits into any of the following categories to receive or possess a firearm. These laws prevent the State from issuing a Pistol Permit because it would be illegal for people who fit in these categories, by Federal law, to own or possess a gun.

• Fugitives from justice
• Persons who are unlawful users of or are addicted to narcotics or any other controlled substances
• Persons adjudicated as a mental defective or who have been committed to a mental institution
• Persons who have been convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one (1) year
• Persons who are under indictment for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one (1) year
• Military veterans discharged under dishonorable conditions
• Persons who have renounced U.S. citizenship
• Aliens illegally in the U.S.
• Persons subject to a court order that restrains them from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such intimate partner
• And persons convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence

So if a person sells to any of these people he is committing a crime

Only if it can be proven that the seller knew of any of that. Without any kind of background check, the seller is able to say he wasn't aware of any of that, and sell to whomever he wants.

Where does it say that under the federal laws? Federal law has said anyone falling into any category of the prohibited persons I listed cannot own or receive a firearm. PERIOD

You are confusing state and federal laws

Again

18 USC 922 (d) - Prohibited persons
It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe such person—

 

[hadit]

So very often I see conversations such as these:

Astonishing that you cant go for a walk without taking your gun.Its like living in a prison.

You have to wonder what kind of horrible, dangerous places do these people live that hey have to go out armed.

The obvious response:
The same places where we're told gun-violence is -so- bad that we need to further restrict the law abiding in their exercise of the right to keep and bear arms.
If gun violence is indeed that bad, how is it unreasonable to carry a gun for self-defense?

Why is the people who ask this question never want to discuss the answer?
How is it gun violence can be so bad that we need more gun control laws, but people who want to carry a gun to protect themselves are nuts?

What's nuts is people too stupid to understand why there's gun violence in cities in such as Chicago in spite their firearm regulatory measures.

What's nuts is buying into the "good guy with a gun" lie.

What's nuts is buying into the lie that citizens carrying concealed firearms helps to "reduce crime."

What's nuts is buying into the lie that mythical "gun-free zones" contribute to mass shootings.

What's nuts is opposing perfectly appropriate and constitutional firearm regulatory measures.

What's nuts is the slippery slope fallacy of "gun confiscation."

The whole good guy with a gun thing misunderstood

What you fail to understand is that no civilian has the obligation to stop a crime.

Shit the ******* cops don't have to respond to a call from a citizen

A good guy with a gun commits no crime with his gun or without therefore law abiding people who own and carry guns are not a factor in crime and murder stats

Gun nuts and the NRA consider an armed thug on the way to his first armed robbery to be a good guy with a gun right up until the second he robs the store.

That's stupid.

 

[BULLDOG]

So very often I see conversations such as these:

You have to wonder what kind of horrible, dangerous places do these people live that hey have to go out armed.

The obvious response:
The same places where we're told gun-violence is -so- bad that we need to further restrict the law abiding in their exercise of the right to keep and bear arms.
If gun violence is indeed that bad, how is it unreasonable to carry a gun for self-defense?

Why is the people who ask this question never want to discuss the answer?
How is it gun violence can be so bad that we need more gun control laws, but people who want to carry a gun to protect themselves are nuts?

What's nuts is people too stupid to understand why there's gun violence in cities in such as Chicago in spite their firearm regulatory measures.

What's nuts is buying into the "good guy with a gun" lie.

What's nuts is buying into the lie that citizens carrying concealed firearms helps to "reduce crime."

What's nuts is buying into the lie that mythical "gun-free zones" contribute to mass shootings.

What's nuts is opposing perfectly appropriate and constitutional firearm regulatory measures.

What's nuts is the slippery slope fallacy of "gun confiscation."

The whole good guy with a gun thing misunderstood

What you fail to understand is that no civilian has the obligation to stop a crime.

Shit the ******* cops don't have to respond to a call from a citizen

A good guy with a gun commits no crime with his gun or without therefore law abiding people who own and carry guns are not a factor in crime and murder stats

Gun nuts and the NRA consider an armed thug on the way to his first armed robbery to be a good guy with a gun right up until the second he robs the store.

That's stupid.

Of course it is, but gun nuts and the NRA have never been very smart anyway.

 

[hadit]

So very often I see conversations such as these:

The obvious response:
The same places where we're told gun-violence is -so- bad that we need to further restrict the law abiding in their exercise of the right to keep and bear arms.
If gun violence is indeed that bad, how is it unreasonable to carry a gun for self-defense?

Why is the people who ask this question never want to discuss the answer?
How is it gun violence can be so bad that we need more gun control laws, but people who want to carry a gun to protect themselves are nuts?

What's nuts is people too stupid to understand why there's gun violence in cities in such as Chicago in spite their firearm regulatory measures.

What's nuts is buying into the "good guy with a gun" lie.

What's nuts is buying into the lie that citizens carrying concealed firearms helps to "reduce crime."

What's nuts is buying into the lie that mythical "gun-free zones" contribute to mass shootings.

What's nuts is opposing perfectly appropriate and constitutional firearm regulatory measures.

What's nuts is the slippery slope fallacy of "gun confiscation."

The whole good guy with a gun thing misunderstood

What you fail to understand is that no civilian has the obligation to stop a crime.

Shit the ******* cops don't have to respond to a call from a citizen

A good guy with a gun commits no crime with his gun or without therefore law abiding people who own and carry guns are not a factor in crime and murder stats

Gun nuts and the NRA consider an armed thug on the way to his first armed robbery to be a good guy with a gun right up until the second he robs the store.

That's stupid.

Of course it is, but gun nuts and the NRA have never been very smart anyway.

It's not very smart to believe that.

 

[22lcidw]

I support the Constitutional right of Americans to keep and carry arms 100%, but it does strike me as a little spineless if someone is too frightened to step foot outside if not packing.
Someone around here has gone so far as to say he’s too scared to go get his mail without a gun. That’s all the way to chickenshitville.

You will see more and more carry. And when the dust clears, the chickenshits will still be alive while those macho brown shirts and bad guys will be dead. Confucious say.....gun beats the perp trying to do the beat down.

Confucious say......Dumb ass gun nuts are just as likely to shoot themselves or an innocent person. Since cops can't tell a dumb ass gun nut from the bad guy, they might take him out too. Dumb ass gun nuts are dumb asses to play cops and robbers.

You need to know the people you demean. There are accidents and murders everywhere. But it is in progressive socialist areas where it is like a reality paint ball game with all of the consequences. You make things up. Here is your first lesson. The deplorables/dregs are much better shooters then the urbanites in percentage. The question is with the cops is what side they will be on if totalitarian gun confiscation laws are passed by the people who caused all of this misery in the first place.

This isn't the right place for your tinfoil hat conspiracy theories. There will be no armed confrontation. No civil war. It's nuts to think there will be.

You are the one who called ones you do not like gun nuts. I just told you the deplorable/dregs are better shooters then you. You are the real gun nuts. You kill your own so easily and then blame others for it.

 

[BULLDOG]

I support the Constitutional right of Americans to keep and carry arms 100%, but it does strike me as a little spineless if someone is too frightened to step foot outside if not packing.
Someone around here has gone so far as to say he’s too scared to go get his mail without a gun. That’s all the way to chickenshitville.

You will see more and more carry. And when the dust clears, the chickenshits will still be alive while those macho brown shirts and bad guys will be dead. Confucious say.....gun beats the perp trying to do the beat down.

Confucious say......Dumb ass gun nuts are just as likely to shoot themselves or an innocent person. Since cops can't tell a dumb ass gun nut from the bad guy, they might take him out too. Dumb ass gun nuts are dumb asses to play cops and robbers.

You need to know the people you demean. There are accidents and murders everywhere. But it is in progressive socialist areas where it is like a reality paint ball game with all of the consequences. You make things up. Here is your first lesson. The deplorables/dregs are much better shooters then the urbanites in percentage. The question is with the cops is what side they will be on if totalitarian gun confiscation laws are passed by the people who caused all of this misery in the first place.

This isn't the right place for your tinfoil hat conspiracy theories. There will be no armed confrontation. No civil war. It's nuts to think there will be.

You are the one who called ones you do not like gun nuts. I just told you the deplorable/dregs are better shooters then you. You are the real gun nuts. You kill your own so easily and then blame others for it.

Wow. That's something goofy to say.

 

[Unkotare]

I support the Constitutional right of Americans to keep and carry arms 100%, but it does strike me as a little spineless if someone is too frightened to step foot outside if not packing.
Someone around here has gone so far as to say he’s too scared to go get his mail without a gun. That’s all the way to chickenshitville.

You will see more and more carry. And when the dust clears, the chickenshits will still be alive while those macho brown shirts and bad guys will be dead. Confucious say.....gun beats the perp trying to do the beat down.

This is what I mean. Dial it back a little.