What kind of horrible, dangerous places do these people live that hey have to go out armed?

[Muhammed]

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You…

How so? There isn't a man or beast that I'm afraid of, and I sleep like a newborn baby at night.

So, you wake up to feed every few hours?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Teacher/administrator/staff members are all over the school at all times; if someone comes into the school as starts shooting, someone will notice immediately.
Why do you want to leave students and teachers defenseless?
Why do you want to leave the shooter unopposed until the police arrive?

Starts shooting are your key words here. but your other comment was they would they know if one enters the building if they are teaching a class? And, the teachers and administration do not roam the halls. They are in their offices and classroom doing their jobs, which does not include roaming the halls.

Still waiting for you to answer the questions:
Why do you want to leave students and teachers defenseless?
Why do you want to leave the shooter unopposed until the police arrive?

Teachers have stated that they DO NOT want to be armed. It isn't part of the job description and not what they trained for.

In Ohio, teachers are armed in 63 of the 88 counties.
In Texas 30% of the school districts have armed teachers.
In Utah, concealed carry is allowed in schools, and the administrators aren't allowed to ask teachers if they carry.

Teachers line up for concealed carry gun lessons, offered for free at local range
Teachers line up for concealed carry gun lessons, offered for free at local range

And they have a hand gun which is a real defense against an AR-15, huh? And so far, how many of those armed teachers have had to be in an actual shoot out with someone with an AR-15, which seems to be the weapon of choice for mass shooters.

ETA: Very few, if any would face that kind of gunman if the truth be known. And neither would any of you here either no matter how much you puff yourselves up and imagine yourselves as the hero who goes in and saves the day. You'd be as dead as a door nail when the shooter saw the gun in your hand.

What do you think, that the biggest gun wins or something? The person that wins is the one that can plant a bullet in the other person with any size gun.

I'm not exactly an expert on all the mechanical stats of semi-automatic weapons. How fast do AR-15s fire in comparison to various handguns? I realize leftist pussifists like Kit are under the mistaken impression that AR-15s are some sort of crazed machine gun, but since we both know better, can you shed some light on this?

Here we go again. The AR shoots no faster per load than any other gun with the same capacity mag. Where it excels is the fact it can carry many times the amount per mag as the handgun and can reload in a matter of a couple of seconds. Plus, it's killing power and penetration power is equal at 400 yds to a 357 mag at the muzzle. It's designed for one thing and one thing only. It's designed for a scared shitless 18 year old kid with minimal training to fire, reload, fire, reload, fire, reload, repeat as necessary. Just because it can do other things doesn't mean that it's not designed for war. For everything it can otherwise do, there are better rifles available that cost less. The other difference is, the AR in stock form, is hard to conceal on your person. These are the reasons it's the number one pick for the well dressed mass shooter. And the reason it's the easiest to stop before it gets onto the scene by methods being put into our schools today.

As for is the AR-15 capable of war? Using the Military Version of the M-4, the M-4 has three settings on it's selector; safe, semi and 3 shot burst while the AR-15 has two; safe, single. The normal usage of the M-4 in battle is single shot. Using the 3 shot burst wastes ammo and you are only on target with the first round. So the AR and the M-4 are exactly equal in a combat situation.

For home defense for a man and most women, the handgun is still more useful and less dangerous to the outside neighbors than the AR is. Second comes the Shotgun. The AR is pretty well at the bottom of the list as most Rifles will be. Let's face it, a 95 pound woman hitting the slide on a 870 Remington makes even a 6 foot 8 inch intruder freeze in his tracks.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Why do you have locks on your door when it's unlikely a stranger will enter your house when you're not home?

On the same point, Dragontwat says she's lived for 70 years without ever feeling the need for a gun to make her safer.

I've lived for 50 years without ever having my house catch fire. Haven't even come close. Guess what? My house has a fire alarm, smoke detectors, sprinklers, and a fire extinguisher. Because the fact that it hasn't happened doesn't mean it can't, it's only gotta happen once, and it's too late to prepare for it after the flames are already licking up the curtains.

Exactly. We all can say we lived X amount of years without X ever happening. I hate to say it, but what if her 71th year changed everything?

Just because you go through life without something ever happening to you doesn't mean the rest of your life will be the same. I've never had a car stolen, but it doesn't mean it will never happen in the future. I lock my car when I leave it.....even in my own garage. My cars are usually paid for so I don't have to have theft insurance. I have it just in case.

Perhaps things are different in Canada and she doesn't understand what goes on down here. As I posted earlier, even though we had our CCW laws for some time before I got mine, I never bothered until my neighborhood started going to hell. In fact, the only reason I purchased a gun in the first place was after I came home and my apartment was robbed. Until the time, I never dreamed of owning a gun.

And Dragonlady, if you are reading this and you can be honest, have you ever played your lottery in Canada when the jackpot went up there? Have you ever crossed the border to buy a ticket in the US when our lottery jackpot was in the hundreds of millions of dollars?

I don't have a problem if you want to carry a fire extinguisher every where you go. If you drop it and it goes off, nobody will die. If your ego causes you to point it at somebody, nobody will die.

But if I don't have a fire extinguisher and I find myself in a building surrounded by flames, I'll certainly be glad I have it even though I never needed one in my life before.

Yet you don't see the need to be armed with a fire extinguisher 24/7. Seems short sighted on your part, since you are so ready for a military style gun battle that is less likely than having a fire.

Military style gun battle, by defending myself from assault or death?

So what do you think the odds are of me dying in a building fire compared to me dying from an attack in the US?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

On the same point, Dragontwat says she's lived for 70 years without ever feeling the need for a gun to make her safer.

I've lived for 50 years without ever having my house catch fire. Haven't even come close. Guess what? My house has a fire alarm, smoke detectors, sprinklers, and a fire extinguisher. Because the fact that it hasn't happened doesn't mean it can't, it's only gotta happen once, and it's too late to prepare for it after the flames are already licking up the curtains.

Exactly. We all can say we lived X amount of years without X ever happening. I hate to say it, but what if her 71th year changed everything?

Just because you go through life without something ever happening to you doesn't mean the rest of your life will be the same. I've never had a car stolen, but it doesn't mean it will never happen in the future. I lock my car when I leave it.....even in my own garage. My cars are usually paid for so I don't have to have theft insurance. I have it just in case.

Perhaps things are different in Canada and she doesn't understand what goes on down here. As I posted earlier, even though we had our CCW laws for some time before I got mine, I never bothered until my neighborhood started going to hell. In fact, the only reason I purchased a gun in the first place was after I came home and my apartment was robbed. Until the time, I never dreamed of owning a gun.

And Dragonlady, if you are reading this and you can be honest, have you ever played your lottery in Canada when the jackpot went up there? Have you ever crossed the border to buy a ticket in the US when our lottery jackpot was in the hundreds of millions of dollars?

I don't have a problem if you want to carry a fire extinguisher every where you go. If you drop it and it goes off, nobody will die. If your ego causes you to point it at somebody, nobody will die.

But if I don't have a fire extinguisher and I find myself in a building surrounded by flames, I'll certainly be glad I have it even though I never needed one in my life before.

Yet you don't see the need to be armed with a fire extinguisher 24/7. Seems short sighted on your part, since you are so ready for a military style gun battle that is less likely than having a fire.

Military style gun battle, by defending myself from assault or death?

So what do you think the odds are of me dying in a building fire compared to me dying from an attack in the US?

You tell me. It's your story.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Exactly. We all can say we lived X amount of years without X ever happening. I hate to say it, but what if her 71th year changed everything?

Just because you go through life without something ever happening to you doesn't mean the rest of your life will be the same. I've never had a car stolen, but it doesn't mean it will never happen in the future. I lock my car when I leave it.....even in my own garage. My cars are usually paid for so I don't have to have theft insurance. I have it just in case.

Perhaps things are different in Canada and she doesn't understand what goes on down here. As I posted earlier, even though we had our CCW laws for some time before I got mine, I never bothered until my neighborhood started going to hell. In fact, the only reason I purchased a gun in the first place was after I came home and my apartment was robbed. Until the time, I never dreamed of owning a gun.

And Dragonlady, if you are reading this and you can be honest, have you ever played your lottery in Canada when the jackpot went up there? Have you ever crossed the border to buy a ticket in the US when our lottery jackpot was in the hundreds of millions of dollars?

I don't have a problem if you want to carry a fire extinguisher every where you go. If you drop it and it goes off, nobody will die. If your ego causes you to point it at somebody, nobody will die.

But if I don't have a fire extinguisher and I find myself in a building surrounded by flames, I'll certainly be glad I have it even though I never needed one in my life before.

Yet you don't see the need to be armed with a fire extinguisher 24/7. Seems short sighted on your part, since you are so ready for a military style gun battle that is less likely than having a fire.

Military style gun battle, by defending myself from assault or death?

So what do you think the odds are of me dying in a building fire compared to me dying from an attack in the US?

You tell me. It's your story.

Odds of dying from gunfire assault, 1 in 306.

The Odds on How You Will Die

Odds of dying in a fire or explosion, 10.9 per million.

U.S. fire deaths, fire death rates, and risk of dying in a fire

 

[BULLDOG]

I don't have a problem if you want to carry a fire extinguisher every where you go. If you drop it and it goes off, nobody will die. If your ego causes you to point it at somebody, nobody will die.

But if I don't have a fire extinguisher and I find myself in a building surrounded by flames, I'll certainly be glad I have it even though I never needed one in my life before.

Yet you don't see the need to be armed with a fire extinguisher 24/7. Seems short sighted on your part, since you are so ready for a military style gun battle that is less likely than having a fire.

Military style gun battle, by defending myself from assault or death?

So what do you think the odds are of me dying in a building fire compared to me dying from an attack in the US?

You tell me. It's your story.

Odds of dying from gunfire assault, 1 in 306.

The Odds on How You Will Die

Odds of dying in a fire or explosion, 10.9 per million.

U.S. fire deaths, fire death rates, and risk of dying in a fire

Plenty of suffering short of death caused by fires. Billions per year lost as well as countless people who are seriously injured. A fire department responds to a fire every 24 seconds in the US. You are much more likely to need a fire extinguisher than a gun.

 

[22lcidw]

But if I don't have a fire extinguisher and I find myself in a building surrounded by flames, I'll certainly be glad I have it even though I never needed one in my life before.

Yet you don't see the need to be armed with a fire extinguisher 24/7. Seems short sighted on your part, since you are so ready for a military style gun battle that is less likely than having a fire.

Military style gun battle, by defending myself from assault or death?

So what do you think the odds are of me dying in a building fire compared to me dying from an attack in the US?

You tell me. It's your story.

Odds of dying from gunfire assault, 1 in 306.

The Odds on How You Will Die

Odds of dying in a fire or explosion, 10.9 per million.

U.S. fire deaths, fire death rates, and risk of dying in a fire

Plenty of suffering short of death caused by fires. Billions per year lost as well as countless people who are seriously injured. A fire department responds to a fire every 24 seconds in the US. You are much more likely to need a fire extinguisher than a gun.

Much of the fire misery is caused by people who live in totally irresponsible ways in poverty areas that escalates every year during the winter months.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

But if I don't have a fire extinguisher and I find myself in a building surrounded by flames, I'll certainly be glad I have it even though I never needed one in my life before.

Yet you don't see the need to be armed with a fire extinguisher 24/7. Seems short sighted on your part, since you are so ready for a military style gun battle that is less likely than having a fire.

Military style gun battle, by defending myself from assault or death?

So what do you think the odds are of me dying in a building fire compared to me dying from an attack in the US?

You tell me. It's your story.

Odds of dying from gunfire assault, 1 in 306.

The Odds on How You Will Die

Odds of dying in a fire or explosion, 10.9 per million.

U.S. fire deaths, fire death rates, and risk of dying in a fire

Plenty of suffering short of death caused by fires. Billions per year lost as well as countless people who are seriously injured. A fire department responds to a fire every 24 seconds in the US. You are much more likely to need a fire extinguisher than a gun.

Not according to the statistics I provided. Nobody ever stuck a fire extinguisher in my face and stole my wallet.

 

[Dragonlady]

Which applies to a tiny miniscule of gun owners – the vast majority of whom have no idea what to expect or how to use a gun for self-defense.

This doesn’t mean, of course, that citizens shouldn’t exercise their right to carry firearms; it does mean, however, that gun owners should be aware of their extensive limitations and use a firearm for self-defense only in response to an imminent and deadly threat, not to act as ‘law enforcement,’ or to otherwise ‘fight crime.’

Which is exactly what they do. The vast majority of guns never harm a person, and the vast majority of gun owners never shoot another human being.

The vigilantes are very few and far between.

Then why have guns at all, if you're not using them for hunting or because you live on a farm?

Why do you have locks on your door when it's unlikely a stranger will enter your house when you're not home?

On the same point, Dragontwat says she's lived for 70 years without ever feeling the need for a gun to make her safer.

I've lived for 50 years without ever having my house catch fire. Haven't even come close. Guess what? My house has a fire alarm, smoke detectors, sprinklers, and a fire extinguisher. Because the fact that it hasn't happened doesn't mean it can't, it's only gotta happen once, and it's too late to prepare for it after the flames are already licking up the curtains.

Exactly. We all can say we lived X amount of years without X ever happening. I hate to say it, but what if her 71th year changed everything?

Just because you go through life without something ever happening to you doesn't mean the rest of your life will be the same. I've never had a car stolen, but it doesn't mean it will never happen in the future. I lock my car when I leave it.....even in my own garage. My cars are usually paid for so I don't have to have theft insurance. I have it just in case.

Perhaps things are different in Canada and she doesn't understand what goes on down here. As I posted earlier, even though we had our CCW laws for some time before I got mine, I never bothered until my neighborhood started going to hell. In fact, the only reason I purchased a gun in the first place was after I came home and my apartment was robbed. Until the time, I never dreamed of owning a gun.

And Dragonlady, if you are reading this and you can be honest, have you ever played your lottery in Canada when the jackpot went up there? Have you ever crossed the border to buy a ticket in the US when our lottery jackpot was in the hundreds of millions of dollars?

I've belonged to lottery groups at work, and still belong to one with the place I retired from, but I don't usually buy tickets or even pay attention to the jackpots. I have never crossed the border to buy a ticket or ever bought a ticket on an American lottery.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Which is exactly what they do. The vast majority of guns never harm a person, and the vast majority of gun owners never shoot another human being.

The vigilantes are very few and far between.

Then why have guns at all, if you're not using them for hunting or because you live on a farm?

Why do you have locks on your door when it's unlikely a stranger will enter your house when you're not home?

On the same point, Dragontwat says she's lived for 70 years without ever feeling the need for a gun to make her safer.

I've lived for 50 years without ever having my house catch fire. Haven't even come close. Guess what? My house has a fire alarm, smoke detectors, sprinklers, and a fire extinguisher. Because the fact that it hasn't happened doesn't mean it can't, it's only gotta happen once, and it's too late to prepare for it after the flames are already licking up the curtains.

Exactly. We all can say we lived X amount of years without X ever happening. I hate to say it, but what if her 71th year changed everything?

Just because you go through life without something ever happening to you doesn't mean the rest of your life will be the same. I've never had a car stolen, but it doesn't mean it will never happen in the future. I lock my car when I leave it.....even in my own garage. My cars are usually paid for so I don't have to have theft insurance. I have it just in case.

Perhaps things are different in Canada and she doesn't understand what goes on down here. As I posted earlier, even though we had our CCW laws for some time before I got mine, I never bothered until my neighborhood started going to hell. In fact, the only reason I purchased a gun in the first place was after I came home and my apartment was robbed. Until the time, I never dreamed of owning a gun.

And Dragonlady, if you are reading this and you can be honest, have you ever played your lottery in Canada when the jackpot went up there? Have you ever crossed the border to buy a ticket in the US when our lottery jackpot was in the hundreds of millions of dollars?

I've belonged to lottery groups at work, and still belong to one with the place I retired from, but I don't usually buy tickets or even pay attention to the jackpots. I have never crossed the border to buy a ticket or ever bought a ticket on an American lottery.

Very well, but you do realize (which is my point) that in the US, you are far more likely to be a victim of a violent crime or attack than winning the lottery, don't you?

Yet by your own admission, you have purchased lottery tickets in the past just in case.....

It's the same way with firearms. It's likely most of us will never be attacked in our home or on the street. But in case we are, we have preparations for it by being armed.

You can never win tens of millions of dollars if you don't play the lottery, and you can never defend yourself from an armed attacker unless you are armed yourself.

 

[BULLDOG]

Yet you don't see the need to be armed with a fire extinguisher 24/7. Seems short sighted on your part, since you are so ready for a military style gun battle that is less likely than having a fire.

Military style gun battle, by defending myself from assault or death?

So what do you think the odds are of me dying in a building fire compared to me dying from an attack in the US?

You tell me. It's your story.

Odds of dying from gunfire assault, 1 in 306.

The Odds on How You Will Die

Odds of dying in a fire or explosion, 10.9 per million.

U.S. fire deaths, fire death rates, and risk of dying in a fire

Plenty of suffering short of death caused by fires. Billions per year lost as well as countless people who are seriously injured. A fire department responds to a fire every 24 seconds in the US. You are much more likely to need a fire extinguisher than a gun.

Not according to the statistics I provided. Nobody ever stuck a fire extinguisher in my face and stole my wallet.

What ever you posted only addressed deaths.

Another reason why I wouldn't care if you had a fire extinguisher 24/7.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Military style gun battle, by defending myself from assault or death?

So what do you think the odds are of me dying in a building fire compared to me dying from an attack in the US?

You tell me. It's your story.

Odds of dying from gunfire assault, 1 in 306.

The Odds on How You Will Die

Odds of dying in a fire or explosion, 10.9 per million.

U.S. fire deaths, fire death rates, and risk of dying in a fire

Plenty of suffering short of death caused by fires. Billions per year lost as well as countless people who are seriously injured. A fire department responds to a fire every 24 seconds in the US. You are much more likely to need a fire extinguisher than a gun.

Not according to the statistics I provided. Nobody ever stuck a fire extinguisher in my face and stole my wallet.

What ever you posted only addressed deaths.

Another reason why I wouldn't care if you had a fire extinguisher 24/7.

Then why would you care if I carried my gun?

After you read the truth you came up with all kinds of other ramifications of fires. Well......we could do the same with CCW carriers. After all, how many deaths have we stopped including our own?

 

[BULLDOG]

You tell me. It's your story.

Odds of dying from gunfire assault, 1 in 306.

The Odds on How You Will Die

Odds of dying in a fire or explosion, 10.9 per million.

U.S. fire deaths, fire death rates, and risk of dying in a fire

Plenty of suffering short of death caused by fires. Billions per year lost as well as countless people who are seriously injured. A fire department responds to a fire every 24 seconds in the US. You are much more likely to need a fire extinguisher than a gun.

Not according to the statistics I provided. Nobody ever stuck a fire extinguisher in my face and stole my wallet.

What ever you posted only addressed deaths.

Another reason why I wouldn't care if you had a fire extinguisher 24/7.

Then why would you care if I carried my gun?

After you read the truth you came up with all kinds of other ramifications of fires. Well......we could do the same with CCW carriers. After all, how many deaths have we stopped including our own?

Because gun nuts rarely have more training than that 3 or 4 hour course, and your lack of training could make me dead.

 

[Rigby5]

Odds of dying from gunfire assault, 1 in 306.

The Odds on How You Will Die

Odds of dying in a fire or explosion, 10.9 per million.

U.S. fire deaths, fire death rates, and risk of dying in a fire

Plenty of suffering short of death caused by fires. Billions per year lost as well as countless people who are seriously injured. A fire department responds to a fire every 24 seconds in the US. You are much more likely to need a fire extinguisher than a gun.

Not according to the statistics I provided. Nobody ever stuck a fire extinguisher in my face and stole my wallet.

What ever you posted only addressed deaths.

Another reason why I wouldn't care if you had a fire extinguisher 24/7.

Then why would you care if I carried my gun?

After you read the truth you came up with all kinds of other ramifications of fires. Well......we could do the same with CCW carriers. After all, how many deaths have we stopped including our own?

Because gun nuts rarely have more training than that 3 or 4 hour course, and your lack of training could make me dead.

While I would like to see more mandatory weapons training for everyone, the reality is that not only are guns actually fairly intuitive and easy to use safely, but average citizens with guns have a MUCH better record then highly trained police, because police are trained so badly. Not only is it a very bad idea to recruit police from ex-military as they usually do, but they train them to shoot first, and keep firing until they run out of ammunition. That is not legal or sane. Any rational civilian would first take cover, then find out what is really going on, and then only shoot as little as necessary for defense. That is because every shot could accidentally go through a building and harm an innocent bystander.
The point being that since police actually increase the chances of harm being caused, it is the responsibility if every citizens to try to deal with all conditions themselves if possible. And to do that, you have to be armed.

 

[BULLDOG]

Plenty of suffering short of death caused by fires. Billions per year lost as well as countless people who are seriously injured. A fire department responds to a fire every 24 seconds in the US. You are much more likely to need a fire extinguisher than a gun.

Not according to the statistics I provided. Nobody ever stuck a fire extinguisher in my face and stole my wallet.

What ever you posted only addressed deaths.

Another reason why I wouldn't care if you had a fire extinguisher 24/7.

Then why would you care if I carried my gun?

After you read the truth you came up with all kinds of other ramifications of fires. Well......we could do the same with CCW carriers. After all, how many deaths have we stopped including our own?

Because gun nuts rarely have more training than that 3 or 4 hour course, and your lack of training could make me dead.

While I would like to see more mandatory weapons training for everyone, the reality is that not only are guns actually fairly intuitive and easy to use safely, but average citizens with guns have a MUCH better record then highly trained police, because police are trained so badly. Not only is it a very bad idea to recruit police from ex-military as they usually do, but they train them to shoot first, and keep firing until they run out of ammunition. That is not legal or sane. Any rational civilian would first take cover, then find out what is really going on, and then only shoot as little as necessary for defense. That is because every shot could accidentally go through a building and harm an innocent bystander.
The point being that since police actually increase the chances of harm being caused, it is the responsibility if every citizens to try to deal with all conditions themselves if possible. And to do that, you have to be armed.

So all that training for police is a waste? There are human beings here that would love nothing more than the chance to shoot someone they thought was a crook. Do you think all 24/7 gun toters would take those steps you mentioned?

 

[Rigby5]

Not according to the statistics I provided. Nobody ever stuck a fire extinguisher in my face and stole my wallet.

What ever you posted only addressed deaths.

Another reason why I wouldn't care if you had a fire extinguisher 24/7.

Then why would you care if I carried my gun?

After you read the truth you came up with all kinds of other ramifications of fires. Well......we could do the same with CCW carriers. After all, how many deaths have we stopped including our own?

Because gun nuts rarely have more training than that 3 or 4 hour course, and your lack of training could make me dead.

While I would like to see more mandatory weapons training for everyone, the reality is that not only are guns actually fairly intuitive and easy to use safely, but average citizens with guns have a MUCH better record then highly trained police, because police are trained so badly. Not only is it a very bad idea to recruit police from ex-military as they usually do, but they train them to shoot first, and keep firing until they run out of ammunition. That is not legal or sane. Any rational civilian would first take cover, then find out what is really going on, and then only shoot as little as necessary for defense. That is because every shot could accidentally go through a building and harm an innocent bystander.
The point being that since police actually increase the chances of harm being caused, it is the responsibility if every citizens to try to deal with all conditions themselves if possible. And to do that, you have to be armed.

So all that training for police is a waste? There are human beings here that would love nothing more than the chance to shoot someone they thought was a crook. Do you think all 24/7 gun toters would take those steps you mentioned?

Police departments routinely pick people who have been trained by the military to kill, and should never be armed in civilian life, much less encouraged to shoot first for even the slightest of provocations as police now are so poorly trained to do.
So it is double trouble. The intersection of the 2 worst possible cases.

Any other civilian, who has not had military or police training, would be hundreds of times safer being armed on the streets.
Average people are very hesitant to ever shoot at someone.
Not only will the police trainers tell you that, but so do the statistics.
It is the police who are trigger happy, not average people.
And you can tell that because average people are afraid of getting into trouble for doing just about anything with a gun, while police are pretty much universally immune to most prosecution.
if nothing else, they know they have the union and prosecutors on their side.

 

[Chuz Life]

You are much more likely to need a fire extinguisher than a gun.

I would rather have a gun and not need it, than to ever need a gun and not have it.

Which is precisely why many (if not most) gun-owners will still have them, despite any leftarded bans.

 

[Blues Man]

Which is exactly what they do. The vast majority of guns never harm a person, and the vast majority of gun owners never shoot another human being.

The vigilantes are very few and far between.

Then why have guns at all, if you're not using them for hunting or because you live on a farm?

Why do you have locks on your door when it's unlikely a stranger will enter your house when you're not home?

On the same point, Dragontwat says she's lived for 70 years without ever feeling the need for a gun to make her safer.

I've lived for 50 years without ever having my house catch fire. Haven't even come close. Guess what? My house has a fire alarm, smoke detectors, sprinklers, and a fire extinguisher. Because the fact that it hasn't happened doesn't mean it can't, it's only gotta happen once, and it's too late to prepare for it after the flames are already licking up the curtains.

Exactly. We all can say we lived X amount of years without X ever happening. I hate to say it, but what if her 71th year changed everything?

Just because you go through life without something ever happening to you doesn't mean the rest of your life will be the same. I've never had a car stolen, but it doesn't mean it will never happen in the future. I lock my car when I leave it.....even in my own garage. My cars are usually paid for so I don't have to have theft insurance. I have it just in case.

Perhaps things are different in Canada and she doesn't understand what goes on down here. As I posted earlier, even though we had our CCW laws for some time before I got mine, I never bothered until my neighborhood started going to hell. In fact, the only reason I purchased a gun in the first place was after I came home and my apartment was robbed. Until the time, I never dreamed of owning a gun.

And Dragonlady, if you are reading this and you can be honest, have you ever played your lottery in Canada when the jackpot went up there? Have you ever crossed the border to buy a ticket in the US when our lottery jackpot was in the hundreds of millions of dollars?

I don't have a problem if you want to carry a fire extinguisher every where you go. If you drop it and it goes off, nobody will die. If your ego causes you to point it at somebody, nobody will die.

And how often does any of that happen with people who legally carry concealed weapons?

 

[Blues Man]

Why do you have locks on your door when it's unlikely a stranger will enter your house when you're not home?

On the same point, Dragontwat says she's lived for 70 years without ever feeling the need for a gun to make her safer.

I've lived for 50 years without ever having my house catch fire. Haven't even come close. Guess what? My house has a fire alarm, smoke detectors, sprinklers, and a fire extinguisher. Because the fact that it hasn't happened doesn't mean it can't, it's only gotta happen once, and it's too late to prepare for it after the flames are already licking up the curtains.

Exactly. We all can say we lived X amount of years without X ever happening. I hate to say it, but what if her 71th year changed everything?

Just because you go through life without something ever happening to you doesn't mean the rest of your life will be the same. I've never had a car stolen, but it doesn't mean it will never happen in the future. I lock my car when I leave it.....even in my own garage. My cars are usually paid for so I don't have to have theft insurance. I have it just in case.

Perhaps things are different in Canada and she doesn't understand what goes on down here. As I posted earlier, even though we had our CCW laws for some time before I got mine, I never bothered until my neighborhood started going to hell. In fact, the only reason I purchased a gun in the first place was after I came home and my apartment was robbed. Until the time, I never dreamed of owning a gun.

And Dragonlady, if you are reading this and you can be honest, have you ever played your lottery in Canada when the jackpot went up there? Have you ever crossed the border to buy a ticket in the US when our lottery jackpot was in the hundreds of millions of dollars?

I don't have a problem if you want to carry a fire extinguisher every where you go. If you drop it and it goes off, nobody will die. If your ego causes you to point it at somebody, nobody will die.

But if I don't have a fire extinguisher and I find myself in a building surrounded by flames, I'll certainly be glad I have it even though I never needed one in my life before.

Yet you don't see the need to be armed with a fire extinguisher 24/7. Seems short sighted on your part, since you are so ready for a military style gun battle that is less likely than having a fire.

Well I don't believe in spontaneous human combustion so I don't keep a fire extinguisher on my person but I do have several in my home and one in my car
I do believe that there are violent people in the world who will prey on people and am not naive enough to think it can't happen to me ( because it has)

 

[Blues Man]

Starts shooting are your key words here. but your other comment was they would they know if one enters the building if they are teaching a class? And, the teachers and administration do not roam the halls. They are in their offices and classroom doing their jobs, which does not include roaming the halls.

Still waiting for you to answer the questions:
Why do you want to leave students and teachers defenseless?
Why do you want to leave the shooter unopposed until the police arrive?

Teachers have stated that they DO NOT want to be armed. It isn't part of the job description and not what they trained for.

In Ohio, teachers are armed in 63 of the 88 counties.
In Texas 30% of the school districts have armed teachers.
In Utah, concealed carry is allowed in schools, and the administrators aren't allowed to ask teachers if they carry.

Teachers line up for concealed carry gun lessons, offered for free at local range
Teachers line up for concealed carry gun lessons, offered for free at local range

And they have a hand gun which is a real defense against an AR-15, huh? And so far, how many of those armed teachers have had to be in an actual shoot out with someone with an AR-15, which seems to be the weapon of choice for mass shooters.

ETA: Very few, if any would face that kind of gunman if the truth be known. And neither would any of you here either no matter how much you puff yourselves up and imagine yourselves as the hero who goes in and saves the day. You'd be as dead as a door nail when the shooter saw the gun in your hand.

What do you think, that the biggest gun wins or something? The person that wins is the one that can plant a bullet in the other person with any size gun.

I'm not exactly an expert on all the mechanical stats of semi-automatic weapons. How fast do AR-15s fire in comparison to various handguns? I realize leftist pussifists like Kit are under the mistaken impression that AR-15s are some sort of crazed machine gun, but since we both know better, can you shed some light on this?

Here we go again. The AR shoots no faster per load than any other gun with the same capacity mag. Where it excels is the fact it can carry many times the amount per mag as the handgun and can reload in a matter of a couple of seconds. Plus, it's killing power and penetration power is equal at 400 yds to a 357 mag at the muzzle. It's designed for one thing and one thing only. It's designed for a scared shitless 18 year old kid with minimal training to fire, reload, fire, reload, fire, reload, repeat as necessary. Just because it can do other things doesn't mean that it's not designed for war. For everything it can otherwise do, there are better rifles available that cost less. The other difference is, the AR in stock form, is hard to conceal on your person. These are the reasons it's the number one pick for the well dressed mass shooter. And the reason it's the easiest to stop before it gets onto the scene by methods being put into our schools today.

As for is the AR-15 capable of war? Using the Military Version of the M-4, the M-4 has three settings on it's selector; safe, semi and 3 shot burst while the AR-15 has two; safe, single. The normal usage of the M-4 in battle is single shot. Using the 3 shot burst wastes ammo and you are only on target with the first round. So the AR and the M-4 are exactly equal in a combat situation.

For home defense for a man and most women, the handgun is still more useful and less dangerous to the outside neighbors than the AR is. Second comes the Shotgun. The AR is pretty well at the bottom of the list as most Rifles will be. Let's face it, a 95 pound woman hitting the slide on a 870 Remington makes even a 6 foot 8 inch intruder freeze in his tracks.

You can load a fresh mag into a handgun just as fast as you can a rifle