Zone1 What Jesus endured, we also must endure or we won't make it to Heaven

[forkintheroad7]

Jesus is dead.

He has visited me. He is very much alive. I feel sorry you don't know that. He is the only REAL in this world.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Jesus is dead and like all dead people he stayed dead. He's still dead today.

He is alive and lives in me, and others.

 

[Arlette]

That Bible says, "it is appointed unto all men, once to die."

The physical wasn't meant to be forever, but eternal life is God's goal for everyone. Only YOU can stand in the way of fulfilling God's purpose for you

People were not meant for eternal life. They don't do much with the one short life they have. Most waste it. So no, no eternal waste.

 

[Arlette]

He has visited me. He is very much alive. I feel sorry you don't know that. He is the only REAL in this world.

More likely it was Elvis that visited you at the institution.

 

[hadit]

Jesus is dead and like all dead people he stayed dead. He's still dead today.

Then you have nothing to add to this discussion.

 

[The Irish Ram]

There are several accounts of suicide in the Bible, and what is missing is any judgment on the morality of it. Most religions use Thou shalt not kill/murder to include self killing.
Then again, Samson killed himself and others and ended up on God's Hall of Faith.
Is it martyrdom or suicide if a soldier dives on a grenade?
It is a subject that is up for debate...

 

[HikerGuy83]

Just going to a Catholic school in the 50's and 60's took care of a lot of suffering.

That would explain a few things about you and your strange views of the world.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Hard to imagine anyone killing themselves in a good frame of mind.

I think we don't give the Saviour enough credit for what he can do for us.

I think there is more forgiveness than we can imagine in the worlds to come.

 

[Care4all]

If you live long enough, you see that suffering never ends. You suffer when your car has to have a huge, expensive repair. You get it fixed, only to find out your boss is demoting you. You work things out w/ your boss and then your spouse tells you "I'm outa here" or whatever.. The candidate you voted for got inflation up sky high so you can't afford your house payment unless you give up one meal a day.. or until Trump returns.

I mean, the sufferings never end.. I don't have some of those sufferings I listed, I just listed what was off the top of my head.. but you get my drift.

And if you tell me you never have any sufferings, I will call you a liar.

These are worldly things...

 

[SweetSue92]

Or, you look to Scripture:

"I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us."

This reveals a stereotypically Catholic mindset. "Have I done enough good deeds to be saved?" "Have I done enough sacraments to be saved?" "Have I called on the right saints to be saved?", and now, "Have I suffered enough to be saved?"

Wouldn't it be better to focus on the joy and peace that Jesus promised us instead of the momentary sufferings we all go through as part of being human in a fallen world?

Right. And because it's a work-based religion, it inevitably leads to pride.

"Do it my way, my way is best. My way or the highway"

 

[Ace Nova]

Not too many people can or would endure what Jesus did - especially with him knowing who he was, what he tried to bring to mankind but yet was betrayed and nailed to a tree to die - by the very same people he tried to save.

When Jesus spoke about carrying the cross - he knew most would never endure what he endured - but he spoke about the Spirit - THE WILLINGNESS of his followers to endure what he endured - to follow his path, to be persecuted for their beliefs and to hold on to the truth within them -even if it meant possible death. (And in those days and in many points throughout history, that could have been the case for many Christians)

We are blessed to live in this "Golden era" of rights, where the "risk of death" for practicing your faith is next to zero.

 

[Z99]

Life is full of crosses and we all have to carry them, like it or not. The only alternative is to kill yourself, but that is when your troubles will REALLY begin, according to the ancient Christian Church (which is Catholic, the only one that goes back to the FIRST century [again, not speaking of the Vatican sect which is no longer Catholic]).

The True Catholic Faith teaches it's a mortal sin to kill yourself and you will (very likely) go straight to Hell. I say Very likely reluctantly because it would seem anyone who does this goes to Hell, but only God knows who goes to Hell or not. However, I say, Why take a chance?

So anyhow, if Christians feel crucified a lot -- because people don't agree w/ them on this and that.. because others don't like them mentioning Jesus "all the time" and etc... well, as the Original Church also taught, we are all called to be alter cristus (I believe that is the correct term), which means being another Christ.

Jesus said that whatever is done to the least of His people is done to Him. (Mt 25:31) so Doesn't that mean that He lives in us and therefore suffers with us through all that we go through?

Why this is so is a great mystery... seeing as how God could, if He wanted to.. remove all suffering from the Earth. Instead, we suffer along with Christ (who lives in us).

We don't like it..

But it is what it is...

Scriptural support?

 

[Z99]

Or, you look to Scripture:

Catholics don't care about scripture.

 

[Ace Nova]

Catholics don't care about scripture.

Baptized, Confirmed Roman Catholic - all the sacraments - 12+ years of Catholic School

Ask me anything.

 

[Leo123]

The Jesus story is analogous to human life. We all endure a slow physical dissembling and bad things to one degree or the other happen along the line until......... In scientific terms it's called entropy.

 

[Ace Nova]

The Jesus story is analogous to human life. We all endure bad things to one degree or the other. In scientific terms it's called entropy.

For someone (who I am assuming) is non-Christian - I thank you for opening your mind - well done.

 

[Ace Nova]

ninja007

I welcome open dialogue - "fake news" - nope, nothing is "fake" about where I come from, who I am and what I understand - I give praise to God the Father - To The Son - To The Holy Spirit - everything within me comes from God - The Holy Trinity.

Ask me anything.

 

[Z99]

Baptized, Confirmed Roman Catholic - all the sacraments - 12+ years of Catholic School

Ask me anything.

Me too...and then I picked up a Bible.

 

[Ace Nova]

Me too...and then I picked up a Bible.

What are Jesus Christ's two most important teachings and why?

 

[Z99]

What are Jesus Christ's two most important teachings and why?

Love God and love one another.