What James Madison (1793 Founder of Republican Party and author of Constitution) said about how lib

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Madison said faction is to freedom what air is to fire.

To prevent faction and civil war he gave us the greatest gift in human history, the Constitution. Immediately thereafter liberals (called Federalists a the time) appeared to represent a faction that wanted the Constitution to mean anything they wanted it to mean and thus the blueprint Madison gave us was undermined if not destroyed. Today, as a result, we are perhaps more divided than ever before thanks to those who lack the wisdom to understand Madison's Constitution. What was Madison's greatest regret: he wasn't even more clear in his Constitution about the need to make the liberal faction instantly illegal whenever it appeared.

 

[emilynghiem]

Dear EdwardBaiamonte
what we could do to remedy the problem of secular liberalism beliefs from being imposed throught govt against the beliefs and consent of others,
is to recognize parties and political platforms as political beliefs and religions.
Thus agreeing to treat these equally as other religions with free exercise and expression,
which govt can neither prohibit nor establish.
Otherwise, to impose policies that favor one bias in beliefs while penalizing others
would constitute "discrimination by creed."

we can either be honest and transparent about this.
Or we can continue to rail and blame other parties
for pushing their beliefs while seeking to exclude them and impose others.

Both sides both parties should be compelled to come
to a mutual realization and agreement that this is unconstitutional.

to ensure equal protections of law to all people and parties of all beliefs,
we should agree to only establish where we AGREE to be public policy,
and to separate policies we disagree on for people or states to support on their own,
such as through party. That way everyone enjoys equal free exercise of their
own beliefs and equal rights to choose which terms to fund such programs under.

 

[Pogo]

Special Ed returns. For those who joined in the last year or so the reason we call him "Special Ed" will make itself readily apparent.

Now on to the refutation. The Republican Party was founded in 1854 in Ripon Wisconsin. James Madison was already dead for eighteen years. These are simple historical facts. This is however a tiny bit closer to Special Ed's previous claim where he had Jefferson founding the Party --- 28 years after his own death.

"Liberals" were Madison himself and the rest of the crew that wrote the Constitution. Liberalism was its driving force. "Federalists" were a political party that organized after that was done. Madison was a member (and founder) of the "Democratic-Republican" Party, which has no direct connection to either of the modern parties by those names.

As far as Madison's "regrets" I couldn't say what his "greatest" one was but he did call for a Constitutional Amendment that would have made the insane "winner take all" system the Electoral College uses, illegal.

I think the most hilariousest part of the OP is his trying to sell the idea that Madison wanted to make himself illegal.

 

[rightwinger]

Madison said faction is to freedom what air is to fire.

To prevent faction and civil war he gave us the greatest gift in human history, the Constitution. Immediately thereafter liberals (called Federalists a the time) appeared to represent a faction that wanted the Constitution to mean anything they wanted it to mean and thus the blueprint Madison gave us was undermined if not destroyed. Today, as a result, we are perhaps more divided than ever before thanks to those who lack the wisdom to understand Madison's Constitution. What was Madison's greatest regret: he wasn't even more clear in his Constitution about the need to make the liberal faction instantly illegal whenever it appeared.

Madison had nothing to do with the Republican Party
He was also one of the biggest liberals of his day

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

We know for a fact Madison was a liberal when he observed that "all power in human hands is liable to be abused,” hence the creation of our Constitutional Republic, whose citizens are subject solely to the rule of law.

That the rights and protected liberties of the people shall not be subject to the capricious whims of ‘majority rule’ is a fundamental liberal principle.

We’ve seen that principle prevent conservatives from seeking to deny women their right to privacy, gay Americans their right to equal protection of the laws, and minorities their right to vote.

Indeed, if there is any political dogma Madison might be hostile to, it would be conservative dogma.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Madison said faction is to freedom what air is to fire.

To prevent faction and civil war he gave us the greatest gift in human history, the Constitution. Immediately thereafter liberals (called Federalists a the time) appeared to represent a faction that wanted the Constitution to mean anything they wanted it to mean and thus the blueprint Madison gave us was undermined if not destroyed. Today, as a result, we are perhaps more divided than ever before thanks to those who lack the wisdom to understand Madison's Constitution. What was Madison's greatest regret: he wasn't even more clear in his Constitution about the need to make the liberal faction instantly illegal whenever it appeared.

Madison had nothing to do with the Republican Party
He was also one of the biggest liberals of his day

Not by modern definition. Why don't you quit shilling that nonsense.

 

[rightwinger]

Madison and Jefferson are some of my favorite liberals

 

[rightwinger]

Madison said faction is to freedom what air is to fire.

To prevent faction and civil war he gave us the greatest gift in human history, the Constitution. Immediately thereafter liberals (called Federalists a the time) appeared to represent a faction that wanted the Constitution to mean anything they wanted it to mean and thus the blueprint Madison gave us was undermined if not destroyed. Today, as a result, we are perhaps more divided than ever before thanks to those who lack the wisdom to understand Madison's Constitution. What was Madison's greatest regret: he wasn't even more clear in his Constitution about the need to make the liberal faction instantly illegal whenever it appeared.

Madison had nothing to do with the Republican Party
He was also one of the biggest liberals of his day

Not by modern definition. Why don't you quit shilling that nonsense.

A liberal is a liberal

Conservatives of his day were tarred and feathered......the good ole days of liberalhood

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Madison said faction is to freedom what air is to fire.

To prevent faction and civil war he gave us the greatest gift in human history, the Constitution. Immediately thereafter liberals (called Federalists a the time) appeared to represent a faction that wanted the Constitution to mean anything they wanted it to mean and thus the blueprint Madison gave us was undermined if not destroyed. Today, as a result, we are perhaps more divided than ever before thanks to those who lack the wisdom to understand Madison's Constitution. What was Madison's greatest regret: he wasn't even more clear in his Constitution about the need to make the liberal faction instantly illegal whenever it appeared.

Madison had nothing to do with the Republican Party
He was also one of the biggest liberals of his day

Not by modern definition. Why don't you quit shilling that nonsense.

A liberal is a liberal

Your ignorance on this matter is astounding. Ergo, I must consider that it is intentional.

I am liberal in the classical sense. Surely, you would freely admit that I am nothing like you people, politically.

 

[rightwinger]

Madison said faction is to freedom what air is to fire.

To prevent faction and civil war he gave us the greatest gift in human history, the Constitution. Immediately thereafter liberals (called Federalists a the time) appeared to represent a faction that wanted the Constitution to mean anything they wanted it to mean and thus the blueprint Madison gave us was undermined if not destroyed. Today, as a result, we are perhaps more divided than ever before thanks to those who lack the wisdom to understand Madison's Constitution. What was Madison's greatest regret: he wasn't even more clear in his Constitution about the need to make the liberal faction instantly illegal whenever it appeared.

Madison had nothing to do with the Republican Party
He was also one of the biggest liberals of his day

Not by modern definition. Why don't you quit shilling that nonsense.

A liberal is a liberal

Your ignorance on this matter is astounding. Ergo, I must consider that it is intentional.

Conservatives of the day supported the King

Just like today, they followed the money

 

[DOTR]

Madison said faction is to freedom what air is to fire.

To prevent faction and civil war he gave us the greatest gift in human history, the Constitution. Immediately thereafter liberals (called Federalists a the time) appeared to represent a faction that wanted the Constitution to mean anything they wanted it to mean and thus the blueprint Madison gave us was undermined if not destroyed. Today, as a result, we are perhaps more divided than ever before thanks to those who lack the wisdom to understand Madison's Constitution. What was Madison's greatest regret: he wasn't even more clear in his Constitution about the need to make the liberal faction instantly illegal whenever it appeared.

Madison, and the Founding Fathers, would be revolted by liberals.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Madison said faction is to freedom what air is to fire.

To prevent faction and civil war he gave us the greatest gift in human history, the Constitution. Immediately thereafter liberals (called Federalists a the time) appeared to represent a faction that wanted the Constitution to mean anything they wanted it to mean and thus the blueprint Madison gave us was undermined if not destroyed. Today, as a result, we are perhaps more divided than ever before thanks to those who lack the wisdom to understand Madison's Constitution. What was Madison's greatest regret: he wasn't even more clear in his Constitution about the need to make the liberal faction instantly illegal whenever it appeared.

Madison had nothing to do with the Republican Party
He was also one of the biggest liberals of his day

Not by modern definition. Why don't you quit shilling that nonsense.

A liberal is a liberal

Your ignorance on this matter is astounding. Ergo, I must consider that it is intentional.

Conservatives of the day supported the King

Just like today, they followed the money

Here, in not too many words for you, a simple primer.

Difference Between Modern Liberalism and Classical Liberalism

 

[bodecea]

Madison said faction is to freedom what air is to fire.

To prevent faction and civil war he gave us the greatest gift in human history, the Constitution. Immediately thereafter liberals (called Federalists a the time) appeared to represent a faction that wanted the Constitution to mean anything they wanted it to mean and thus the blueprint Madison gave us was undermined if not destroyed. Today, as a result, we are perhaps more divided than ever before thanks to those who lack the wisdom to understand Madison's Constitution. What was Madison's greatest regret: he wasn't even more clear in his Constitution about the need to make the liberal faction instantly illegal whenever it appeared.

He was not founder of the Republican Party....it didn't exist until about 1856.

 

[bodecea]

Madison said faction is to freedom what air is to fire.

To prevent faction and civil war he gave us the greatest gift in human history, the Constitution. Immediately thereafter liberals (called Federalists a the time) appeared to represent a faction that wanted the Constitution to mean anything they wanted it to mean and thus the blueprint Madison gave us was undermined if not destroyed. Today, as a result, we are perhaps more divided than ever before thanks to those who lack the wisdom to understand Madison's Constitution. What was Madison's greatest regret: he wasn't even more clear in his Constitution about the need to make the liberal faction instantly illegal whenever it appeared.

Madison, and the Founding Fathers, would be revolted by liberals.

They talk to you, do they?

 

[Pogo]

Madison had nothing to do with the Republican Party
He was also one of the biggest liberals of his day

Not by modern definition. Why don't you quit shilling that nonsense.

A liberal is a liberal

Your ignorance on this matter is astounding. Ergo, I must consider that it is intentional.

Conservatives of the day supported the King

Just like today, they followed the money

Here, in not too many words for you, a simple primer.

Difference Between Modern Liberalism and Classical Liberalism

There is no "classical" Liberalism. Liberalism is Liberalism, period. This "classical" bullshit was invented by Doublethinkers like Jonah Goldberg and Joe McCarthy to try to use the same term to mean its own opposite. You can't do that in English. Or any other language except maybe a tonal one.

 

[Pogo]

Madison said faction is to freedom what air is to fire.

To prevent faction and civil war he gave us the greatest gift in human history, the Constitution. Immediately thereafter liberals (called Federalists a the time) appeared to represent a faction that wanted the Constitution to mean anything they wanted it to mean and thus the blueprint Madison gave us was undermined if not destroyed. Today, as a result, we are perhaps more divided than ever before thanks to those who lack the wisdom to understand Madison's Constitution. What was Madison's greatest regret: he wasn't even more clear in his Constitution about the need to make the liberal faction instantly illegal whenever it appeared.

Madison, and the Founding Fathers, would be revolted by liberals.

Madison et al *WERE* Liberals.

So you're back there with Special Ed, imagining James Madison wanting to make himself illegal.
Consider the company.

 

[Pogo]

Madison said faction is to freedom what air is to fire.

To prevent faction and civil war he gave us the greatest gift in human history, the Constitution. Immediately thereafter liberals (called Federalists a the time) appeared to represent a faction that wanted the Constitution to mean anything they wanted it to mean and thus the blueprint Madison gave us was undermined if not destroyed. Today, as a result, we are perhaps more divided than ever before thanks to those who lack the wisdom to understand Madison's Constitution. What was Madison's greatest regret: he wasn't even more clear in his Constitution about the need to make the liberal faction instantly illegal whenever it appeared.

Madison had nothing to do with the Republican Party
He was also one of the biggest liberals of his day

Actually he was pretty short, so I wouldn't say "biggest".

 

[Moonglow]

Special Ed returns. For those who joined in the last year or so the reason we call him "Special Ed" will make itself readily apparent.

Now on to the refutation. The Republican Party was founded in 1854 in Ripon Wisconsin. James Madison was already dead for eighteen years. These are simple historical facts. This is however a tiny bit closer to Special Ed's previous claim where he had Jefferson founding the Party --- 28 years after his own death.

"Liberals" were Madison himself and the rest of the crew that wrote the Constitution. Liberalism was its driving force. "Federalists" were a political party that organized after that was done. Madison was a member (and founder) of the "Democratic-Republican" Party, which has no direct connection to either of the modern parties by those names.

As far as Madison's "regrets" I couldn't say what his "greatest" one was but he did call for a Constitutional Amendment that would have made the insane "winner take all" system the Electoral College uses, illegal.

I think the most hilariousest part of the OP is his trying to sell the idea that Madison wanted to make himself illegal.

What's even more amazing is that during Jackson the Democratic-Republican party was created,,,but Madison was retired by then...

 

[DOTR]

Madison said faction is to freedom what air is to fire.

To prevent faction and civil war he gave us the greatest gift in human history, the Constitution. Immediately thereafter liberals (called Federalists a the time) appeared to represent a faction that wanted the Constitution to mean anything they wanted it to mean and thus the blueprint Madison gave us was undermined if not destroyed. Today, as a result, we are perhaps more divided than ever before thanks to those who lack the wisdom to understand Madison's Constitution. What was Madison's greatest regret: he wasn't even more clear in his Constitution about the need to make the liberal faction instantly illegal whenever it appeared.

Madison, and the Founding Fathers, would be revolted by liberals.

They talk to you, do they?

They left me letters and documents. Speak to me every time I read them.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Not by modern definition. Why don't you quit shilling that nonsense.

A liberal is a liberal

Your ignorance on this matter is astounding. Ergo, I must consider that it is intentional.

Conservatives of the day supported the King

Just like today, they followed the money

Here, in not too many words for you, a simple primer.

Difference Between Modern Liberalism and Classical Liberalism

There is no "classical" Liberalism. Liberalism is Liberalism, period. This "classical" bullshit was invented by Doublethinkers like Jonah Goldberg and Joe McCarthy to try to use the same term to mean its own opposite. You can't do that in English. Or any other language except maybe a tonal one.

Ignorance is catchy among you people, eh?