Zone1 What Is Your Vision For America

[BULLDOG]

That gate swings both ways ...

I'm not the one wanting to do away with our form of government.

 

[BULLDOG]

I don't recall a poster suggesting our freedom to protest should be taken away.

I have read several posters who supported the elimination of free speech on social media when the previous administration was coercing such, however.

Protest was listed beside unspeakable horrors.

"And that cost is crime and depravity and unspeakable horrors... also protests and upheaval like we see today..."

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Individualism Through Equal Protection Of Negative Liberties Constrained For Safety And Security "

* Antifederalists Invoke Statistism Lauding Populism For Collective Majority Tyranny Over Independence Of The Individual *

And here we go:

A component of my vision of America is that we reduce all federal legislation to only those things that are consistent with the Constitution. That means a great many things need to be transfered to the states.

Are states required to comply with us 1st amendment for respecting an establishment of religion ?

. Are Us States Prohibited From Complying With Us 1st Amendment By Us 10th Amendment ? .

. State Legislatures Seek To Violate Us 1st Amendment By Respecting An Establishment Of Religion .

Are states required to comply with the enumerated rite to equal protection with a us citizen , that includes a live birth contingency ?

. Equal Protection Of Citizenship Is In A State Of Sedition Because Of Supreme Court Ruling On Abortion .

* Neomercantile Expectations In A Planned Economy *

A component of my vision is that the federal government can only spend 10% of GDP (currently in the 22 to 25% range). If states want something, it is up to them to secure it and raise taxes or shift money accordingly.

. CDZ - How Consistent With American School Economics Should Current Administration Public Policy Be ? .

. Globalism Of Neoclassical Economics Versus Nationalism Of American School Of Economics .

* Better Options As Congress Against Radical Progress Through Individual Public Elections *

A component of my vision is that we repeal the 17th amendment and go back to having the senate be appointed by the state legislatures. The states are currently not represented in congress as was intended by the framers.

No thanks .

* Facetious Sincere Offering Of Good Luck With That *

Lookin forward to your high I.Q. challenges or suggestions.

. Smaller Government Advocates Wearing Clown Outfits .

 

[the watcher]

A vision of America may be different from a vision for America. My vision of America is a nation that has enjoyed unparallelled financial success but has become apathetic and is being taken advantage of by an increasingly corrupt and self-serving bureaucracy and a hired media. The people no longer care about anyone else but themselves and nothing matters except instant gratification, and that makes them easy prey for tin horn politicians. My vision for America is that people will suddenly realize that they are the only thing that can reverse this self-destructive path, that we are not each other's enemies, and there will be sacrifices to make if we have the stomach to do what's right. Sacrifices for the common good must take priority over "us" and "them", and we must somehow realize how we got here to climb our way out and it is very unlikely the government will willingly assist.

 

[HikerGuy83]

And disregard all the existing laws that were proposed and passed by congress?

Where was that stated?

 

[Stryder50]

I'm not the one wanting to do away with our form of government.

Yet in your post #13 here you suggest that those who don't agree with you should pack and leave this country.
This in response to a suggest about re-writing the Constitution.

 

[Stryder50]

Protest was listed beside unspeakable horrors.

"And that cost is crime and depravity and unspeakable horrors... also protests and upheaval like we see today..."

Violent protests was referred.
Both of you are using less than precise language.

 

[Stryder50]

But those other things weren't listed. Protest was specifically mentioned as something to eliminate. Words mean things.

Again, as typical of you Leftist, you fail to use precise language.
I'm pointing out that "peaceable assemble" ~ "Protest" is allowed, but violent "protest" using the other crimes you Leftist and antifas are fond of is not a Constitutional protected "freedom".

 

[Captain Caveman]

In early 2024, I started a thread saying I thought MAGA was just a sales pitch or rallying cry. Nothing in that so-called "discussion" changed my mind.

I am thinking about resurrecting the thread to kane those who continue to say "It's obvious." No it isn't. Far from it. And right now, it's even less obvious.

But, this thread is about vision, a vision for America. It can be couched in different aspects.

As is supposed to happen, I get three rules:

1. No bashing anyone else. You can certainly disagree, but no starting with...."The demos are idiots".
2. If you don't agree that something is a good component of a vision, you may speak on the suggestion. Leave the poster alone.
3. If you have something specific, be specific. (i.e balanced budget.....means we take in more than we spend..simple test).

And here we go:

A component of my vision of America is that we reduce all federal legislation to only those things that are consistent with the Constitution. That means a great many things need to be transfered to the states.

A component of my vision is that the federal government can only spend 10% of GDP (currently in the 22 to 25% range). If states want something, it is up to them to secure it and raise taxes or shift money accordingly.

A component of my vision is that we repeal the 17th amendment and go back to having the senate be appointed by the state legislatures. The states are currently not represented in congress as was intended by the framers.

Lookin forward to your high I.Q. challenges or suggestions.

Well, two things, it's on the right path and unfortunately when the democrats get in at some point in the future, it'll all go tits up again.

 

[BULLDOG]

Where was that stated?

The changes listed above would require eliminating existing law.

 

[BULLDOG]

Yet in your post #13 here you suggest that those who don't agree with you should pack and leave this country.
This in response to a suggest about re-writing the Constitution.

Yes. What is your question?

 

[BULLDOG]

Violent protests was referred.
Both of you are using less than precise language.

All the more reason to question why the poster wanted to eliminate both.

 

[BULLDOG]

Again, as typical of you Leftist, you fail to use precise language.
I'm pointing out that "peaceable assemble" ~ "Protest" is allowed, but violent "protest" using the other crimes you Leftist and antifas are fond of is not a Constitutional protected "freedom".

Didn't see that in #5, which started this particular disagreement.

 

[Foxfyre]

In early 2024, I started a thread saying I thought MAGA was just a sales pitch or rallying cry. Nothing in that so-called "discussion" changed my mind.

I am thinking about resurrecting the thread to kane those who continue to say "It's obvious." No it isn't. Far from it. And right now, it's even less obvious.

But, this thread is about vision, a vision for America. It can be couched in different aspects.

As is supposed to happen, I get three rules:

1. No bashing anyone else. You can certainly disagree, but no starting with...."The demos are idiots".
2. If you don't agree that something is a good component of a vision, you may speak on the suggestion. Leave the poster alone.
3. If you have something specific, be specific. (i.e balanced budget.....means we take in more than we spend..simple test).

And here we go:

A component of my vision of America is that we reduce all federal legislation to only those things that are consistent with the Constitution. That means a great many things need to be transfered to the states.

A component of my vision is that the federal government can only spend 10% of GDP (currently in the 22 to 25% range). If states want something, it is up to them to secure it and raise taxes or shift money accordingly.

A component of my vision is that we repeal the 17th amendment and go back to having the senate be appointed by the state legislatures. The states are currently not represented in congress as was intended by the framers.

Lookin forward to your high I.Q. challenges or suggestions.

My vision is the MAGA vision of a strong, free, secure America that offers maximum reasonable liberty, choices options, and opportunity to prosper to the best of one's ability with all Americans considered equal. No special classes. No special interests. No special rights for anybody. All people, whoever they are, can expect the government to recognize, defend, and protect their unalienable rights which by definition will require no accommodation, participation, or contribution by other citizens.

The government will do only what it is constitutionally--based on original intent--authorized to do that is good for America and Americans without consideration of politics, partisanship or ideology.

 

[BULLDOG]

My vision is the MAGA vision of a strong, free, secure America that offers maximum reasonable liberty, choices options, and opportunity to prosper to the best of one's ability with all Americans considered equal. No special classes. No special interests. No special rights for anybody. All people, whoever they are, can expect the government to recognize, defend, and protect their unalienable rights which by definition will require no accommodation, participation, or contribution by other citizens.

The government will do only what it is constitutionally--based on original intent--authorized to do that is good for America and Americans without consideration of politics, partisanship or ideology.

Most would agree with that ideal situation. I would. However, to get to that point, we first have to clean up existing inequalities so everyone can start on a level playing field.

 

[Foxfyre]

Most would agree with that ideal situation. I would. However, to get to that point, we first have to clean up existing inequalities so everyone can start on a level playing field.

There will never be a level playing field because people are born with different advantages, different challenges, different abilities, different visions, different aptitudes, different ambitions. One persin is fascinated and drawn to sports. Another to the arts. Another to academia. Another to religious vocation or public service. Etc.

Some from the most modest means will excel in their chosen goals far more than will some who start out with much more in tangible assets only because one person has ambition, work ethic, goals, vision more than another.

No government, no society can change that.

What we can do is get government out of the way so that each person is not hindered in achieving whatever his/her ability and ambition/motivation will allow.

 

[Hurricanelover]

Honestly, I expand the constitution to modern times allowing for our federal government to do as every other federal government on gods earth does for itself and its people. Of course it already does have this power but such would be written out to be clearly defined for even the 2 year old to understand.
-The ability to build infrastructure, invest in science, tech and education without hearing the bs argument that we have to live in the 18th century like hicks. It doesn't work.
-The ability to help its own people
All clearly defined.
Modern political theory would be applied in the updated document. As in the first amendment would be expanded to the internet, telephone and t.v.

I'd like single payer healthcare for all just like every other modern society on earth.

I'd like to elect the president based on the popular vote.
Double the number of seats in the house
Reform the senate...Maybe below 1 million would get 1 seat, 1-4.9 million 2 seats, 5 million to 9.9 million 3 seats and 10 million to 25 million 4 seats???

 

[Hurricanelover]

There will never be a level playing field because people are born with different advantages, different challenges, different abilities, different visions, different aptitudes, different ambitions. One persin is fascinated and drawn to sports. Another to the arts. Another to academia. Another to religious vocation or public service. Etc.

Some from the most modest means will excel in their chosen goals far more than will some who start out with much more in tangible assets only because one person has ambition, work ethic, goals, vision more than another.

No government, no society can change that.

What we can do is get government out of the way so that each person is not hindered in achieving whatever his/her ability and ambition/motivation will allow.

But it is ok for government to ban what people can wear, do in their bedrooms, what books to read and who to marry. It is ok for government to dictate what you can do with your body and who you're! It is ok for government to go after political enemies if they have different beliefs with the military and with the doj.

I don't think government should be doing any of such and I am for big and powerful government. The thing is I am for big and powerful government that is good and helps make our society better. One that is the middle man that make corporate America treat people with respect, one that helps the poor, sick and disabled and one that invests within itself.. Republicans seem to want big and powerful government that hurts and destroys people.

 

[Unkotare]

But it is ok for government to ban what people can wear, do in their bedrooms, what books to read and who to marry. ...

No one says that. Take your straw man in for repairs.

 

[BULLDOG]

There will never be a level playing field because people are born with different advantages, different challenges, different abilities, different visions, different aptitudes, different ambitions. One persin is fascinated and drawn to sports. Another to the arts. Another to academia. Another to religious vocation or public service. Etc.

Some from the most modest means will excel in their chosen goals far more than will some who start out with much more in tangible assets only because one person has ambition, work ethic, goals, vision more than another.

No government, no society can change that.

What we can do is get government out of the way so that each person is not hindered in achieving whatever his/her ability and ambition/motivation will allow.

Government can't do anything about capability. Opportunity is what should be the concern.