Zone1 What is Truth?

[ding]

God is truth. God is love. God is logic. God is every extant attribute of reality. It’s a mind blowing concept but I don’t see how it could be any other way.

 

[Meriweather]

But of course, it's your typical, bitter, disingenuous, religious claptrap-gobbledygook. The Meriweather we all expect.

Again, you are speaking to someone you have created in your own mind. I'll leave you to it.

 

[frigidweirdo]

this is why we need a separate Catholic, Christian, Bible Study, prayer, Muslim, Buddist, Atheist, others, etc... rooms. A different room for each. We do not want to study with the atheist.

The problem is "ALWAYS" with the lost atheist. They stalk, harass, and agitate others who do believe simply because they failed to believe.

It's like this...

The atheist says: "Yo, look at me I fail in life to believe in God."
We are like: "So what, exist stage left, go sit over there, and await your entrance into hell."

We would rather not study with them at all. I know how this turns out. If the atheist get their very own room they will NOT go into it. The atheist HATE other atheist. A site I was previously on, they had an atheist room, but it remained empty so they got rid of it. The atheist only want to harass other believers. They are a parasite.

I believe the definition of truth given by God is absolutely correct.

Doctrine and Covenants 93:24
24 And truth is knowledge of things as they are, and as they were, and as they are to come;

What this means to me is that truth is a knowledge of things as they actually are, were, and are to come in reality. Anything outside of how things actually are, were, and are to come in reality is a lie.

Science is a means of finding out truth if applied honestly. Science itself is not actual truth. It is not science that we prove but the use of science to prove what actually is, was, or is to come. Science is simply a method of trying to determine what is true.

Here's the thing. You BELIEVE.

What is belief? It's accepting something without knowing.

You accept something. You don't know it.

Science is knowing, or seeking the truth. Religion is filling in the gaps of knowledge, or ignoring knowledge, because it's inconvenient.

 

[Leo123]

Here's the thing. You BELIEVE.

What is belief? It's accepting something without knowing.

You accept something. You don't know it.

Science is knowing, or seeking the truth. Religion is filling in the gaps of knowledge, or ignoring knowledge, because it's inconvenient.

Science is postulating a hypothesis that one does not know the truth of.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Again, you are speaking to someone you have created in your own mind. I'll leave you to it.

Leave, others will read my response to your BS.

 

[zaangalewa]

Keep bearing false witness.

You said for example about me - in the usual propagandistic way of Commies and Nazis (~"throw with dirt") - that I am cheating on my wife. I said about you that you are for me no Catholic but a Lefebvreist. Indeed I found out in you what's perhaps the main difference between Lefebvreists and Catholics. Lefebvreists like you seem to "believe" what others have to believe - while this what they say is for them on their own only an empty bubble. Self-reflexivity is definitely not one of your strengths. Looks like you try to make out of everything a law for others. I suggest to you to read the textes of Vaticanum II and to try to understand what there is really written, if you are interested to become a Catholic (¿again?).

 

[zaangalewa]

Sounds like you are a pantheist.

The painter is not the painting.

I hate it to correct you - but in Jesus god is painter and painting. This is perhaps the most important message at all: God is always with his children in all situations of life. Not abstract - but concrete. Jesus lives. When a child of god laughs - god laughs too and when a child of god cries - god cries with his child. And when one of his children is dying he is even dying with this child. God transcends not only existence - god transcends also not-existence. God lets us never alone -he's always with us. Even in case if we are not existing.

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[ding]

You said for example about me - in the usual propagandistic way of Commies and Nazis (~"throw with dirt") - that I am cheating on my wife. I said about you that you are for me no Catholic but a Lefebvreist. Indeed I found out in you what's perhaps the main difference between Lefebvreists and Catholics. Lefebvreists like you seem to "believe" what others have to believe - while this what they say is for them on their own only an empty bubble. Self-reflexivity is definitely not one of your strengths. Looks like you try to make out of everything a law for others. I suggest to you to read the textes of Vaticanum II and to try to understand what there is really written, if you are interested to become a Catholic (¿again?).

Keep bearing more false witness against me. It's only harming you.

 

[zaangalewa]

Was denn jetzt noch? Ah, sorry: What else now?

Keep bearing more false witness against me. It's only harming you.

Idiot, what is going on in your brain? Your brain is a very little intrigant place in this universe here - and every other human brain is as complex as is your brain. And the whole gigantic universe here is perhaps only a sandcorn for the allknowing god. Again: What for heavens sake is wrong with you? ... Oh sorry: Nothing is wrong with you, isn't it? Only all others are always only wrong with everything what they say.

 

[ding]

Was denn jetzt noch? Ah, sorry: What else now?



Idiot, what is going on in your brain? Your brain is a very little intrigant place in this universe here - and every other human brain is as complex as is your brain. And the whole gigantic universe here is perhaps only a sandcorn for the allknowing god. Again: What for heavens sake is wrong with you? ... Oh sorry: Nothing is wrong with you, isn't it? Only all others are always only wrong with everything what they say.

Do you believe the Holy Spirit is guiding you in your personal attacks against me?

 

[ding]

Your brain is a very little intrigant place in this universe here - and every other human brain is as complex as is your brain. And the whole gigantic universe here is perhaps only a sandcorn for the allknowing god.

286 Human intelligence is surely already capable of finding a response to the question of origins. The existence of God the Creator can be known with certainty through his works, by the light of human reason, even if this knowledge is often obscured and disfigured by error.

Catechism of the Catholic Church - Paragraph # 286

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Jesus did provide the answer:

Jesus said: “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” John 14:6.

 

[onefour1]

Jesus did provide the answer:

Jesus said: “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” John 14:6.

Jesus is called the truth because he has received a knowledge of all truth and is omniscient. He has come to a knowledge of all things as they really are, were, and are to come. Thus he can teach all truth. Therefore he is called "the truth".

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I've been baptized in the water three different times

Why? You weren't sure your baptism took?

 

[zaangalewa]

Do you believe the Holy Spirit is guiding you in your personal attacks against me?

Yes. The Holy Spirit is always leading me. For everyone else you are perhaps blameless - not so for me. Indeed you are not even shy to misuse the Holy Spirit for your egocentralized empty way. Such a question you should not ask me - such a question you have to ask the Holy Spirit if you like to get enlightened. And why do you think will you get no answer from the Holy Spirit when you will ask him somehting like this? And how do you think do I know this although I do not remember that I ever asked such a weird question? You should know who you are and what you believe. I am only able to tell you what is my experience with you. If you like to know more then you should perhaps listen to a question of the Holy Spirit who perhaps is now asking you something.

 

[zaangalewa]

286 Human intelligence is surely already capable of finding a response to the question of origins. The existence of God the Creator can be known with certainty through his works, by the light of human reason, even if this knowledge is often obscured and disfigured by error.

Catechism of the Catholic Church - Paragraph # 286

You are not the human intelligence - you are not the human reason. You are an "allknowing" ignorant who knows everything better. If you like to hear what god says then take a look around for example. Everything what is around you is created (and creating) word of god. And much more than only this what you see around you is word of god. You have the ability to understand - but you do not use this ability. You use your intelligence only for to be a winner. But if you remember: God is a loser. He lost his life like a criminal on a racist cross of the Romans. It's totally unimportant what I think about your relation to god. You know what's your relation. So what do you "defend" with your continuous stream of attacks?

Wer bin ich? - und wenn ja, wie viele?
Richard David Precht
Who am I? - and if so, how many?

 

[zaangalewa]

Jesus did provide the answer:

Jesus said: “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”

Exactly. Jesus said so. So Jesus decides to bring a Hinduist - as for example the Mahatma Gandhi - into heaven. His decision. Not our decision. God is truth. Who serves the truth serves god. God is life. Who serves life serves god. And if someone needs or wants a way to our all father in heaven then we can offer the way "Jesus". We are sure this is the right way. But it is his way. He is the way for everyone - he is everyone's way. But this doesn't mean everyone has to go the same way. It exist as many ways to god as human beings exist. Jesus knows the way for everyone. That's why it is important also always to listen to everyone.

 

[ding]

Yes. The Holy Spirit is always leading me. For everyone else you are perhaps blameless - not so for me. Indeed you are not even shy to misuse the Holy Spirit for your egocentralized empty way. Such a question you should not ask me - such a question you have to ask the Holy Spirit if you like to get enlightened. And why do you think will you get no answer from the Holy Spirit when you will ask him somehting like this? And how do you think do I know this although I do not remember that I ever asked such a weird question? You should know who you are and what you believe. I am only able to tell you what is my experience with you. If you like to know more then you should perhaps listen to a question of the Holy Spirit who perhaps is now asking you something.

You are not the human intelligence - you are not the human reason. You are an "allknowing" ignorant who knows everything better. If you like to hear what god says then take a look around for example. Everything what is around you is created (and creating) word of god. And much more than only this what you see around you is word of god. You have the ability to understand - but you do not use this ability. You use your intelligence only for to be a winner. But if you remember: God is a loser. He lost his life like a criminal on a racist cross of the Romans. It's totally unimportant what I think about your relation to god. You know what's your relation. So what do you "defend" with your continuous stream of attacks?

Wer bin ich? - und wenn ja, wie viele?
Richard David Precht
Who am I? - and if so, how many?

I forgive you.

 

[ding]

I hate it to correct you - but in Jesus god is painter and painting.

That would be pantheism.

Begotten not made. Paintings are made.

 

[ding]

285 Since the beginning the Christian faith has been challenged by responses to the question of origins that differ from its own. Ancient religions and cultures produced many myths concerning origins. Some philosophers have said that everything is God, that the world is God, or that the development of the world is the development of God (Pantheism). Others have said that the world is a necessary emanation arising from God and returning to him. Still others have affirmed the existence of two eternal principles, Good and Evil, Light and Darkness, locked, in permanent conflict (Dualism, Manichaeism). According to some of these conceptions, the world (at least the physical world) is evil, the product of a fall, and is thus to be rejected or left behind (Gnosticism). Some admit that the world was made by God, but as by a watch-maker who, once he has made a watch, abandons it to itself (Deism). Finally, others reject any transcendent origin for the world, but see it as merely the interplay of matter that has always existed (Materialism). All these attempts bear witness to the permanence and universality of the question of origins. This inquiry is distinctively human.

Catechism of the Catholic Church - Paragraph # 285