CDZ What is "traditional marriage"?

[Pop23]

Traditions stand the test of time.

Marriage today is not what traditional marriage was a century ago. It isn't even what marriage was half a century ago. Marriage has evolved and continues to evolve. That is indisputable fact.

Yes, and in this country it has been between Male/Female.

 

[Pop23]

The quote indicated that it was a quasi marriage. Not one in fact

You write "it".

What do you mean by "it"? The paragraph describes several hundred years of same-sex marriage.

The reason for your confusion is that you have not read the article and are not looking at that paragraph in context. Indeed, from your posts, it seems you did not even read that paragraph.

If you refuse to learn how to use the language correctly, you will continue to make these mistakes. You might want to read up on the use of scare quotes.

Every point you have brought up has been proven to be either factually incorrect or an opinion. Please educate yourself as to the difference.

Once again, the purpose of this thread was to look at the FACTS of marriage in history.

Historic burps don't interst me.

Then why are you in this thread?

Please stop trying to derail it to fit your agenda.

Traditions stand the test of time. Your op with quotes indicate "it" did not.

Get it now?

IOW, there is no such thing as "traditional" marriage.

THANK YOU for finally getting it.

We live in a country. Our laws only apply to this, and only as long as this has existed.

But nice try.

 

[Pop23]

No, they are not. Homosexuals marrying homosexuals will remain homosexuals and heterosexuals will remain heterosexuals, marriage doesn't change who they are. What those who do not oppose same sex marriages want is to allow homosexuals to have the same rights when married as do heterosexuals.
And that is the reason why. Right now, homosexuals may be living together but they don't get the same rights that heterosexuals marriages get.

And what is that supposed to be? What is it about marriage that you feel is going to change if homosexuals are allowed to get married? What is going to change that affects you or your marriage?

I don't what "that" is. An institution meaning what? Why does it matter that they call it "marriage"? "Marriage" is just a word, and many heterosexuals drag it (their marriages) through the mud, why doesn't that bother you?

and this is why the government should not grant a marriage license. civil unions to all. and if you want to marry in the "traditional" sense, go for it. the problem is government involvement in marriage in the first place. you don't need any religious reason to get a divorce in any state in the US. so why should the government be involved in the morality or religion of marriage to begin with?

does this post mean i made your shit list again Mertex

Marriage already is a civil union.

You don't need a religious reason to get married OR divorced. Marriage in a church is not legally recognized. Religion actually does not enter into it at all EXCEPT as a social construct.

I do agree that consenting adults should not need the permission of government to either marry or divorce. Marriage to another consenting adult, several consenting adults or marriage to a bridge is not the business of the state.

marriage and civil unions are not the same thing luddly. they have two very different legal definitions. what i offered was simply a compromise. everybody wins. you don't need to ram gay marriage down anyone's throat if everyone gets civil unions and if they want they can find a private institution to get married in.

Compromise is for us moderates. Radicals can't bring themselves to consider such.

Ironic!

Not at all, but thanks for the laugh. Good for the soul

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Needless to say, the term "sodomite" is meaningless, inaccurate and has nothing at all to do with the topic of the thread.

The word 'Sodomite' is a old descriptive term used in the Bible to denote people who engaged in abnormal same sex pairings.

And predates the modern word Homosexual by thousands of years.

So yes, it's both accurate and germane to the topic of the thread. ......

A term used in ancient fiction and, in light of the fact that same sex marriage was later accepted and sanctioned by religion, further proof that there's no such thing as "traditional" marriage.

 

[Pop23]

Needless to say, the term "sodomite" is meaningless, inaccurate and has nothing at all to do with the topic of the thread.

The word 'Sodomite' is a old descriptive term used in the Bible to denote people who engaged in abnormal same sex pairings.

And predates the modern word Homosexual by thousands of years.

So yes, it's both accurate and germane to the topic of the thread. ......

A term used in ancient fiction and, in light of the fact that same sex marriage was later accepted and sanctioned by religion, further proof that there's no such thing as "traditional" marriage.

We only control our nation. The tradition of our nation is male/female.

 

[Sunni Man]

A term used in ancient fiction and, in light of the fact that same sex marriage was later accepted and sanctioned by religion, further proof that there's no such thing as "traditional" marriage.

Regardless if the word 'Sodomite' is based on fact or fiction isn't relevant.

And it's derivation 'Sodomy' is still used today in both common language and as a legal definition to describe perverted sexual intercourse. ....

 

[Luddly Neddite]

You write "it".

What do you mean by "it"? The paragraph describes several hundred years of same-sex marriage.

The reason for your confusion is that you have not read the article and are not looking at that paragraph in context. Indeed, from your posts, it seems you did not even read that paragraph.

If you refuse to learn how to use the language correctly, you will continue to make these mistakes. You might want to read up on the use of scare quotes.

Every point you have brought up has been proven to be either factually incorrect or an opinion. Please educate yourself as to the difference.

Once again, the purpose of this thread was to look at the FACTS of marriage in history.

Historic burps don't interst me.

Then why are you in this thread?

Please stop trying to derail it to fit your agenda.

Traditions stand the test of time. Your op with quotes indicate "it" did not.

Get it now?

IOW, there is no such thing as "traditional" marriage.

THANK YOU for finally getting it.

We live in a country. Our laws only apply to this, and only as long as this has existed.

But nice try.

Wrong again.

Please read the link in the OP. IF you are saying that marriage has always been between one man and one woman, you are incorrect.

Marriage has changed in the US, just as it has changed in other parts of the world and to will continue to change.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

A term used in ancient fiction and, in light of the fact that same sex marriage was later accepted and sanctioned by religion, further proof that there's no such thing as "traditional" marriage.

Regardless if the word 'Sodomite' is based on fact or fiction isn't relevant.

And it's derivation 'Sodomy' is still used today in both common language and as a legal definition to describe perverted sexual intercourse. ....

You can call it whatever you wish. In this case, you're using that particular word to derail the thread into ignorant and bigoted name calling. The word "perverted" is your opinion and has nothing to do with the discussion of the FACTUAL changes in marriage throughout history.

The belief that marriage, in the US or the rest of the world, has always been between one man and one woman is incorrect. Marriage has evolved and will continue to evolve.

 

[Sunni Man]

Traditional marriage = Man and woman (women) = procreation = survival of human species

Sodomite marriage = same sex bonding = no procreation = genetic extinction.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Traditional marriage = Man and woman (women) = procreation = survival of human species

Sodomite marriage = same sex bonding = no procreation = genetic extinction.

Always cracks me up to read that some believe that to be some sort of argument against same sex marriage cuz its straights who are giving birth to gays.

It certainly doesn't change the fact that marriage (in the US or not) has not always been between one man and one woman and that what is considered to be "traditional" really is not.

 

[Pop23]

Historic burps don't interst me.

Then why are you in this thread?

Please stop trying to derail it to fit your agenda.

Traditions stand the test of time. Your op with quotes indicate "it" did not.

Get it now?

IOW, there is no such thing as "traditional" marriage.

THANK YOU for finally getting it.

We live in a country. Our laws only apply to this, and only as long as this has existed.

But nice try.

Wrong again.

Please read the link in the OP. IF you are saying that marriage has always been between one man and one woman, you are incorrect.

Marriage has changed in the US, just as it has changed in other parts of the world and to will continue to change.

Compression problems? Male/female. Indicating opposites.

 

[Yurt]

to those that are opposed to gay marriage:

britney spears, elizabeth taylor, larry king.....

traditional marriages?

 

[Yurt]

Traditional marriage = Man and woman (women) = procreation = survival of human species

Sodomite marriage = same sex bonding = no procreation = genetic extinction.

Always cracks me up to read that some believe that to be some sort of argument against same sex marriage cuz its straights who are giving birth to gays.

It certainly doesn't change the fact that marriage (in the US or not) has not always been between one man and one woman and that what is considered to be "traditional" really is not.

that is likely for most cases, but what about the people who were closeted and had children?

 

[Pop23]

Traditional marriage = Man and woman (women) = procreation = survival of human species

Sodomite marriage = same sex bonding = no procreation = genetic extinction.

Always cracks me up to read that some believe that to be some sort of argument against same sex marriage cuz its straights who are giving birth to gays.

It certainly doesn't change the fact that marriage (in the US or not) has not always been between one man and one woman and that what is considered to be "traditional" really is not.

No, gays have been getting married and procreating offspring with their partnersfor centuries. See, they WERE NEVER EXCLUDED.

 

[Pop23]

to those that are opposed to gay marriage:

britney spears, elizabeth taylor, larry king.....

traditional marriages?

Traditional all.

Thanks.

Those couplings all had potential to extend the species.

 

[Sunni Man]

Always cracks me up to read that some believe that to be some sort of argument against same sex marriage cuz its straights who are giving birth to gays.

Actually, parents in a traditional marriage give birth to normal children.

But sadly, some of them choose to become sodomites and destroy their lives. ......

 

[Derideo_Te]

Traditions stand the test of time.

Marriage today is not what traditional marriage was a century ago. It isn't even what marriage was half a century ago. Marriage has evolved and continues to evolve. That is indisputable fact.

Yes, and in this country it has been between Male/Female.

That is no longer true in 37 of the 50 states.

 

[Pop23]

Traditions stand the test of time.

Marriage today is not what traditional marriage was a century ago. It isn't even what marriage was half a century ago. Marriage has evolved and continues to evolve. That is indisputable fact.

Yes, and in this country it has been between Male/Female.

That is no longer true in 37 of the 50 states.

Sounds like winning a battle, the war is TRADITIONALLY the goal.

 

[Yurt]

to those that are opposed to gay marriage:

britney spears, elizabeth taylor, larry king.....

traditional marriages?

Traditional all.

Thanks.

Those couplings all had potential to extend the species.

so traditional marriage is about getting married and divorced with in 72 hours...at least four divorces and remarriages...and about extended the species. interesting.

i guess couples who cannot procreate should not be allowed to marry....?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Traditions stand the test of time.

Marriage today is not what traditional marriage was a century ago. It isn't even what marriage was half a century ago. Marriage has evolved and continues to evolve. That is indisputable fact.

Yes, and in this country it has been between Male/Female.

That is no longer true in 37 of the 50 states.

Sounds like winning a battle, the war is TRADITIONALLY the goal.

Since marriage has changed so many times, there is no definition of "traditional" marriage.

Actually, I give up trying to stick with facts in this thread so go ahead and make up whatever you want.

Nonetheless, its interesting to see that marriage not been ONLY about "one man, one woman".