What is the status of Trump's appeals, and what are his chances for overturning convictions?

[kyzr]

Don't listen to pundits (which is what Turley is). Try reading the court documents.

Trump was not charged with an statute of limitations expired misdemeanor which would be New York Penal Code Section 175.05, he was charged with a felony well within the statute of limitations under New York State Penal Code 175.10.

Don't believe what others tell you, verify actual records to the greatest extent possible. Takes more effort but you end up incorrect less. WW

1. The definition of falsifying business records in the 1st degree is NOT "court records". Publishing a Bill of Particulars with the actual crime is needed, it was not provided.

2. Turley is a LAW PROFESSOR at GW university. Dershowitz, from Harvard Law agrees with Turley.

3. (from the buzz kill Turley article, post #15)
"The indictment claimed a violation under New York’s election law 17-152 that the falsification of business records were committed to further another crime as an unlawful means to influence the election. However, in a maddeningly circular theory, that other crime could be the falsification of business records. It could also be violations of federal election and taxation laws, which Trump was never charged with, let alone convicted of. "

4. If I understand your argument you believe that Bragg and Merchan followed the Law and Trump's 34 felonies will NOT be overturned on appeal, correct? I'll take the other side and say they will, eventually. We'll need to wait and see how it plays out.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

No matter what anyone says, terrorist democrats will lie.

 

[WorldWatcher]

1. The definition of falsifying business records in the 1st degree is NOT "court records". Publishing a Bill of Particulars with the actual crime is needed, it was not provided.

The statute that Trump was charged with (Section 175.10) was clearly laid out in the indictment.

Yes the additional information in the accompany explaintory document was provide both to the court and to Trump when the indictment was filed. Under New York law the Statement of Facts does not have to be included in the indictment.

The indictment and Statement of Facts true are not 'proof', they are explanations of the circumstances and the case to be brought. The "proof" to support the indictment was presented at trial. Through witness testimony, social media posts, video, audio, emails, business documents, etc.

2. Turley is a LAW PROFESSOR at GW university. Dershowitz, from Harvard Law agrees with Turley.

Turley and Dershowitz are Trump sycophants and spout anything that gets them in the news and not bound by the code of legal ethics required as officers of the court in this case. They wills say anything that gets them air time.

3. (from the buzz kill Turley article, post #15)
"The indictment claimed a violation under New York’s election law 17-152 that the falsification of business records were committed to further another crime as an unlawful means to influence the election. However, in a maddeningly circular theory, that other crime could be the falsification of business records. It could also be violations of federal election and taxation laws, which Trump was never charged with, let alone convicted of. "

This is a perfect example. Trump wasn't charged under New York Election law mentioned above, he was charged with Felonious Falsification of Business records under New York Penal Code Section 175.10.

4. If I understand your argument you believe that Bragg and Merchan followed the Law and Trump's 34 felonies will NOT be overturned on appeal, correct? I'll take the other side and say they will, eventually. We'll need to wait and see how it plays out.

I have no idea if Trump's conviction for 34 felonies will be over turned on appeal.

Will it be overturned based on the evidence presented at trial didn't prove he was guilty of the crime charge in the case? No.

Will it be overturned because Trump is guilty and as a billionaire he can afford his lawyers who might get a mistrial declared because of a technicality? That is possible. It's not just outcome for his crimes, but it is possible.

WW

 

[DGS49]

One of the reasons why I was a 'C' student in law school was that I just got to the end, and didn't do a good job of dancing around all the possible legal theories that led - inevitably - nowhere.

ALL of the cases against Trump will fail (not a legal term, obviously) in one way or another. The suit for slander will be vacated and tossed back to the trial court, where it will die a quiet death. The allegation at the heart of the matter is utterly preposterous, the petitioner suffered no real damages, and everyone with a three-digit IQ knows it. The documents case will ultimately be dropped because Trump had the absolute power to declassify all of the documents in question while he was still President and he implicitly did so when he took them to Florida. This is simply a matter of the Deep State throwing a hissy fit. The NYC convictions will be EMPHATICALLY overturned; the whole case is bullshit and the judge...well, there's no way to describe his conduct without using vulgarities. Sanctions would be too good for him. The Georgia case will be dropped eventually, because it is a bullshit case, and everybody knows it. Trump's actions are no worse than Democrats have done in similar circumstances.

A hundred years from now there will be law school classes teaching these cases as the worst coordinated effort to corrupt justice in American history. But you don't have to wait that long to see the truth of the matter.

 

[rightwinger]

One of the reasons why I was a 'C' student in law school was that I just got to the end, and didn't do a good job of dancing around all the possible legal theories that led - inevitably - nowhere.

ALL of the cases against Trump will fail (not a legal term, obviously) in one way or another. The suit for slander will be vacated and tossed back to the trial court, where it will die a quiet death. The allegation at the heart of the matter is utterly preposterous, the petitioner suffered no real damages, and everyone with a three-digit IQ knows it. The documents case will ultimately be dropped because Trump had the absolute power to declassify all of the documents in question while he was still President and he implicitly did so when he took them to Florida. This is simply a matter of the Deep State throwing a hissy fit. The NYC convictions will be EMPHATICALLY overturned; the whole case is bullshit and the judge...well, there's no way to describe his conduct without using vulgarities. Sanctions would be too good for him. The Georgia case will be dropped eventually, because it is a bullshit case, and everybody knows it. Trump's actions are no worse than Democrats have done in similar circumstances.

A hundred years from now there will be law school classes teaching these cases as the worst coordinated effort to corrupt justice in American history. But you don't have to wait that long to see the truth of the matter.

Wishful thinking on your part

Your problem is that Trump actually did all those things and there are mountains of evidence against him.
Biggest shortfall is Trump does not know how to keep his mouth shut and his own statements are used against him.

He has not done well in a jury trial in many years.

 

[nobody_important]

So is "rightwinger" the resident clown on this forum? I see him in every other thread, as if he sits in front of the computer permanently on this board 24/7 with tubes feeding him carrying away his waste

 

[rightwinger]

So is "rightwinger" the resident clown on this forum? I see him in every other thread, as if he sits in front of the computer permanently on this board 24/7 with tubes feeding him carrying away his waste

I am well paid for my efforts

You have nothing better to do than resurrect threads from two months ago?

 

[kyzr]

I am well paid for my efforts
You have nothing better to do than resurrect threads from two months ago?

So judge Merchan will "sentence" Trump on Tuesday, the day after he is confirmed as president.

1. Will Trump show up on Tuesday for sentencing? I would not.
2. Will Merchan impose a sentence or dismiss all charges? Probably keep the 34 felonies but say that the sentence is nothing.
3. How can Trump appeal the 34 "felonies" if there is no sentence? Maybe just tell Pam Bondi to pursue Merchan, Bragg & Letitia.
4. Would it be too cool if Merchan imposed a sentence and the Secret Service just escorted Trump out to his limo?

 

[WorldWatcher]

So judge Merchan will "sentence" Trump on Tuesday, the day after he is confirmed as president.

1. Will Trump show up on Tuesday for sentencing? I would not.
2. Will Merchan impose a sentence or dismiss all charges? Probably keep the 34 felonies but say that the sentence is nothing.
3. How can Trump appeal the 34 "felonies" if there is no sentence? Maybe just tell Pam Bondi to pursue Merchan, Bragg & Letitia.
4. Would it be too cool if Merchan imposed a sentence and the Secret Service just escorted Trump out to his limo?

#1 Are you saying he'd commit a crime and skip is mandatory court date?

#2 Second part. Trump will remain a convicted felon, but any punishment will be discharged.

#3 Trump can still appeal the conviction even if the punishment is discarged.

#4 The judge already said there will be no confinement. So there is no universe where Trump doesn't walk out of the courthouse. And to top it off the Secret Service IS NOT there to prevent a protectee from legal confinement (which ain't happening anyway). The SS can take shifts in a jail standing outside the cell.

"The SS can take shifts in a jail standing outside the cell." Now that would be cool.


WW

 

[Dante]

Turley said that there are good reasons for the appeals court overturning the 34 convictions, but I don't know the timeline and steps for the appeal process.

And many other lawyers -- ones with experience disagree with Professor Turley.

 

[Dante]

1. The definition of falsifying business records in the 1st degree is NOT "court records". Publishing a Bill of Particulars with the actual crime is needed, it was not provided.

2. Turley is a LAW PROFESSOR at GW university. Dershowitz, from Harvard Law agrees with Turley.

3. (from the buzz kill Turley article, post #15)
"The indictment claimed a violation under New York’s election law 17-152 that the falsification of business records were committed to further another crime as an unlawful means to influence the election. However, in a maddeningly circular theory, that other crime could be the falsification of business records. It could also be violations of federal election and taxation laws, which Trump was never charged with, let alone convicted of. "

4. If I understand your argument you believe that Bragg and Merchan followed the Law and Trump's 34 felonies will NOT be overturned on appeal, correct? I'll take the other side and say they will, eventually. We'll need to wait and see how it plays out.

Many Law Professors disagree with those two. Many Lawyers with far more courtroom experience than those two, disagree with them too.

The court heard evidence. The jury decided. Opinions outside of the courts are just that, opinions. And opinions are like buttholes, everybody has one. Some people like djt have two.

 

[Dante]

1. The definition of falsifying business records in the 1st degree is NOT "court records". Publishing a Bill of Particulars with the actual crime is needed, it was not provided.

2. Turley is a LAW PROFESSOR at GW university. Dershowitz, from Harvard Law agrees with Turley.

3. (from the buzz kill Turley article, post #15)
"The indictment claimed a violation under New York’s election law 17-152 that the falsification of business records were committed to further another crime as an unlawful means to influence the election. However, in a maddeningly circular theory, that other crime could be the falsification of business records. It could also be violations of federal election and taxation laws, which Trump was never charged with, let alone convicted of. "

4. If I understand your argument you believe that Bragg and Merchan followed the Law and Trump's 34 felonies will NOT be overturned on appeal, correct? I'll take the other side and say they will, eventually. We'll need to wait and see how it plays out.

Why no links from you? Hmm...

So, here we go...

Jonathan Turley Invites Readers On Journey Into Imagination Where Supreme Court Proves Donald Trump Was Railroaded​

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Remaining perched atop Bad Faith Mountain requires sacrifice... but this is embarrassing even by Turley's standards.​

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By Joe Patrice on June 25, 2024


Jonathan Turley more or less abandoned good faith argument years ago in his effort to extend his 15 minutes of fame one Fox cable news hit at a time.

Holding onto his crown as the right’s favorite legal commentator hasn’t been easy for the George Washington Law professor, having forced him to take a string of dubious stances over the years to stay in the MAGA movement’s good graces. But while he’s engaged in some intellectual acrobatics and flubbed his share of easily checked historical facts to fit the preferred narrative, his latest column is striking as a veritable issue-spotter of fanciful assertions.



reminds me of Trump's stating the colonists fought at the airports

 

[Dante]

Turley said that there are good reasons for the appeals court overturning the 34 convictions, but I don't know the timeline and steps for the appeal process.

Here we are again "Turley said..."

 

[Dante]