What is the purpose of tariffs on Canada?

[Woodznutz]

American workers have jobs...using the softwood lumber (also sold at a discount),

Also called "dumping".

U.S. Lumber Coalition: Dumped and Subsidized Canadian Lumber Import Forcing American Lumber Companies to Reduce Hours of Operations - U.S. Lumber Coalition

uslumbercoalition.org

The truth is that Canada doesn't want Canadians to share in the lumber wealth they have which would reduce the cost of housing and encourage population growth. Canada would prefer to remain a small, elite, gated, country.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Ask George Bush about it. But there you go.... supporting everyone but the US....are you canadian?? Don't worry..Trump IS going to fix this.

Personally i'm going to boycott all goods out of Canada..maybe forever...

Dude. No one cares.

 

[Woodznutz]

Why don’t you Google that?

I did. Reread that post, I edited it.

 

[Dragonlady]

Looks like the great dealmaker is starting to bend.

The stock market is crashing. The Kentucky Bourbon makes just had all of their products pulled from Canadian liquor stores - their largest customers, and they're already laying off workers.

US car makers' stocks have fallen off a cliff, and American consumers have stopped spending out of fear of a recession. Inflation is going up and this will increases prices across the board for gasoline, building supplies, and we could cut off electricity sales to all of the north eastern and northwestern states.

Ask George Bush about it. But there you go.... supporting everyone but the US....are you canadian?? Don't worry..Trump IS going to fix this.

Personally i'm going to boycott all goods out of Canada..maybe forever...

Buy all means, Calypso. Don't ever buy anything from Canada again. We don't give a shit.

 

[Dragonlady]

Most of your oil is heavy crude.

"Therefore, heavy crude oil is generally sold at a discount to light crude oil to account for the extra operating costs and larger investments made in downstream processing units."

The discount gives those with the ability to process the heavy crude a HUGE Price advantage to those processing the more expensive light crude. The link below explains why:

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rbnenergy.com

Since last winter, the price gap between light crude oil and heavy crude — otherwise known as the light-heavy differential — has narrowed considerably. In February, the price difference between Louisiana Light Sweet crude (LLS) and heavy Maya crude on the Gulf Coast was almost $10/bbl, providing an advantage to refiners who have invested in cokers and other equipment that allows them to run a heavier crude slate. But since June Maya has on average sold for only about $5/bbl less than LLS. Today we examine the shrinking price gap between light and heavy crude and its effect on coking and cracking margins.

Now look at the prices for crude oil and you will see that OPEC is selling for $72.50/barrel, and the Alberta Select is selling for $53.96, 25% cheaper than OPEC. That's nearly a $20/barrel price difference. The article I quoted said that even at $10 dollars a barrel cheaper, it's more profitable to process the heavy crude.

Care to open your mouth wide and insert the other foot??

Oil Price Charts | Oilprice.com

Oilprices from around the world.

oilprice.com

 

[dudmuck]

Looks like the great dealmaker is starting to bend.

 

[Stryder50]

So you want to use government to subsidize American business owners.

So many of the foreign nations the USA competes with use their governments to subsidize their nation's businesses.
Then there are the nations like CCP China that 'own' the businesses anyway, further blurring the issue when viewed from outside.

 

[Woodznutz]

Now look at the prices for crude oil and you will see that OPEC is selling for $72.50/barrel, and the Alberta Select is selling for $53.96, 25% cheaper than OPEC. That's nearly a $20/barrel price difference. The article I quoted said that even at $10 dollars a barrel cheaper, it's more profitable to process the heavy crude.

Nice try but no cigar. We don't buy enough OPEC oil for that comparison to mean anything.

"U.S. net imports of crude oil and petroleum from OPEC countries account for less than seven percent of total consumption. Since 2000, the share of OPEC originated petroleum in the U.S. supply has notably decreased, falling from 26.3 percent in 2000 to 6.98 percent in 2019."

 

[Marener]

So many of the foreign nations the USA competes with use their governments to subsidize their nation's businesses.
Then there are the nations like CCP China that 'own' the businesses anyway, further blurring the issue when viewed from outside.

Sure. Some tariffs on some products. Total effective tariff rates are in the mix to low single digits.

Throwing 25% baseline tariffs is far different.

Don’t pretend like this is supposed to reflect reciprocity. It’s not.

 

[Stryder50]

Also called "dumping".

U.S. Lumber Coalition: Dumped and Subsidized Canadian Lumber Import Forcing American Lumber Companies to Reduce Hours of Operations - U.S. Lumber Coalition

uslumbercoalition.org

The truth is that Canada doesn't want Canadians to share in the lumber wealth they have which would reduce the cost of housing and encourage population growth. Canada would prefer to remain a small, elite, gated, country.

Text excerpt from your link clarifies some of the issue;
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U.S. Lumber Coalition: Dumped and Subsidized Canadian Lumber Import Forcing American Lumber Companies to Reduce Hours of Operations

Washington, D.C., February 11, 2025 – The American lumber industry sits on its highest excess capacity since the Great Recession — capacity that could be used to produce more lumber to build U.S. homes. Meanwhile, Canadian dumped and unfairly traded lumber imports are trending up.

“The recent rise of unfairly traded Canadian lumber imports has yet again put tremendous pressure and hardship on the workers in the U.S. forestry industry,” stated Andrew Miller, Chairman and Owner of Stimson Lumber. “Canadian companies benefit from the strong support of their federal and provincial governments who are willing to do anything it takes to maintain artificially high market share for Canadian lumber in the U.S. market,” added Miller.

“Canadian lumber producers’ continuous unfair trade practices are forcing idling and closures of U.S. lumber mills. This is why the U.S. lumber industry applauds and strongly supports President Trump’s unyielding stance on fully enforcing the U.S. trade laws,” stated Steve Swanson, Chairman of Swanson Group.

“We strongly agree with the statements by Secretary of Commerce nominee Lutnick that foreign countries like Canada have taken advantage of our markets and that this needs to stop,” added Swanson. “Canada must cease treating the United States as a dumping ground for its excess lumber production, which amounts to a Canadian jobs program at the expense of American workers, their families, and forestry dependent communities,” concluded Swanson.
...
Quid pro quo tariffs will either balance the situation and/or encourage some re-negotiations.
However, as pointed out here and on other topics*, the USA has been subsidizing the rest of the world long enough. Time we reduce our $$$ outflow and other nations pay their real and fair costs rather than have Uncle Sugar do it.

* Such as NATO and the UN.

 

[Stryder50]

Sure. Some tariffs on some products. Total effective tariff rates are in the mix to low single digits.

Throwing 25% baseline tariffs is far different.

Don’t pretend like this is supposed to reflect reciprocity. It’s not.

Since it's a paywall, I'll provide a relevant excerpt;

Trump Expected to Unveil Reciprocal Tariffs on US Trading Partners​

‘You’ll be hearing that word a lot: reciprocal,‘ the president told reporters. ’We want tariffs to be fair.’
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President Donald Trump is preparing to unveil the next tool in his trade policy arsenal: reciprocal tariffs.

Speaking to reporters at the Oval Office on Feb. 10, the president highlighted the importance of reciprocal tariffs. If America’s trading partners are charging the United States higher tariffs, the current administration would adopt the same rate.

“You'll be hearing that word a lot: reciprocal,” Trump said. “If they charge us, we charge them. If they’re at 25, we’re at 25. If they’re at 10, we’re at 10. And if they’re much higher than 25, that’s what we are too.”

Trump stressed the importance of having a level playing field in global trade. “We want tariffs to be fair,” he told reporters.

Senior White House officials have espoused similar views on trade.

Last month, Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick told lawmakers that tariffs could be an effective negotiating strategy to restore respect for the United States on the world stage.
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Trump Expected to Unveil Reciprocal Tariffs on US Trading Partners

‘You’ll be hearing that word a lot: reciprocal,‘ the president told reporters. ’We want tariffs to be fair.’

www.theepochtimes.com

Hopefully I don't need to explain/translate the above.

 

[Marener]

Hopefully I don't need to explain/translate the above.

This would imply that Canada already had a blanket 25% tariff on us (with a 10% tariff for energy) in order for Trump’s tariffs to be reciprocal.

Do you actually think that’s true?

 

[Calypso Jones]

Got a question for y'all. Who is the leader of the Democrat Party?

Look...we don't care about the Tariffs. We're fine with it. You're gonna have to be fine with it too. The economy didn't bother any of you prior to november 2024 so just carry on as you were.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

What is the purpose of Canadian tariffs on US goods?

Can'tada

Bitter revenge. They're the wimpy social reject who got picked on at the playground by the cool kids.

 

[Stryder50]

This would imply that Canada already had a blanket 25% tariff on us (with a 10% tariff for energy) in order for Trump’s tariffs to be reciprocal.

Do you actually think that’s true?

Canada - Trade Barriers

Includes the barriers (tariff and non-tariff) that U.S. companies face when exporting to this country.

www.trade.gov

 

[citygator]

If $800Trillion leaves the economy this year the government has to backfill the loss by borrowing. Money that leaves the economy can't provide any revenue through trade and taxes. That's the connection. The private sector can't print money. Sitting in your house, there's a connection between what you earn and what your wife and kids spend. If they spend more than you earn or you get a cut in pay you might have to borrow.

Youre funny. When I bought Canadian bacon the US government got zero dollars. When I bought American bacon the US government got zero dollars.

HOWEVER, after the grocery store sells me EITHER package of bacon they make a profit and pay taxes on the profit they made. The same profit either way. The US government made zero dollars difference in either transaction.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

There are no Canadian car companies.

Ottawannabe

Even Sweden has nine and exports 85%.

 

[jc456]

I am just saying that Canada doesn't have to sell you stuff... They got other markets...

No need for the trade deficit...

how much does the US import?

 

[Redfish]

How can Trump adjust for the fact that we have 300 million more people than Canada? I cant wait for your brilliant answer.

apply for statehood, maybe 3 or 4 states.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

There's a price to pay for not developing your resources.

Make High IQs Swallow Their Pride, and You Will Choke Their Talent

Only Proud Smartboys can create ways to develop resources. Until we treat them the same way we treat superior athletes, from childhood on with the same social popularity, most of our potential wealth will rot in the ground.