Toddsterpatriot
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If I see a commercial touting the reliability of cheap power from natural gas, I'm going to agree.
I haven't seen any arguing against reliable nuclear power lately. Have you?
What is the goal of capitalism?
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If I see a commercial touting the reliability of cheap power from natural gas, I'm going to agree.
I haven't seen any arguing against reliable nuclear power lately. Have you?
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Read the points I made and stop ignoring them. Socialism/Communism is whenever the government gets involved according to your fellow Libertarians. AOC is supposedly a "commie", and so is the whole democratic party. So if you want to talk about "commie cures", that's it. Government can do it, without your beloved imaginary "free-market".
Toddsterpatriot
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No cancer curing pill came out of the USSR?
What about from Cuba? Venezuela?
I'm willing to listen to your evidence.
Toddsterpatriot
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When was the last anti-nuclear commercial or print ad that you saw which was funded by big oil?
I agree, they fund a lot of stuff against the current green idiocy.
It's not a conspiracy to point out that the Green New Deal is beyond moronic.
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There's a huge movement against nuclear power that is fueled by the fossil-fuel industry. They hate the data for global warming, supported by practically all of science, and they contribute to the fearmongering against nuclear. It's somewhat similar to how alcohol companies lobby Congress against marijuana legalization. They don't want another recreational substance on the market to compete with. The private prison lobby and prison guard lobby also fund legislation against the legalization of marijuana, along with the alcohol lobby. That's how capitalism functions. Cronyism is endemic to capitalism, concentrating capital and political power at the top, turning democracy into a plutocracy and oligarchy.
It's not in their interest for us to drive electric cars and rely on nuclear energy. Hello?
Toddsterpatriot
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Was it anything beyond stolen western IP?
It's true, I ignored all your cancer cures that didn't cure cancer.
Toddsterpatriot
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There's a huge movement against nuclear power that is fueled by the fossil-fueled industry.
Post your evidence.
They hate the data for global warming,
There is something to be said for affordable, reliable fossil fuels.
If you want to trust your mother's respirator to solar power, just say so.
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The issue isn't whether we now have a cure for cancer in China or from another supposed communist government, but whether capitalism impedes the development of cures in the United States and I've already provided evidence of that.
"Richter cited Gilead Sciences’ treatments for hepatitis C, which achieved cure rates of more than 90 percent. The company’s U.S. sales for these hepatitis C treatments peaked at $12.5 billion in 2015, but have been falling ever since. Goldman estimates the U.S. sales for these treatments will be less than $4 billion this year, according to a table in the report.
GILD is a case in point, where the success of its hepatitis C franchise has gradually exhausted the available pool of treatable patients,” the analyst wrote. “In the case of infectious diseases such as hepatitis C, curing existing patients also decreases the number of carriers able to transmit the virus to new patients, thus the incident pool also declines … Where an incident pool remains stable (eg, in cancer) the potential for a cure poses less risk to the sustainability of a franchise."
Goldman Sachs asks in biotech research report: 'Is curing patients a sustainable business model?'
Goldman Sachs warns sales from the most successful disease treatments are difficult to maintain.It's not profitable for capitalists to cure the disease, just to keep it stable and people alive with the disease as long as possible.
When What’s Good For The World Is Bad For Business | Current Affairs
Commercial viability or profitability doesn't always align with societal needs or the public good. In a socialist society, we will focus on a permanent, effective cure. Whether we've developed one in the past or have one now is irrelevant to the point that's being made. You're also ignoring your claim that all valuable products or goods that serve the public, are commercially viable. I showed how that's not the case at all.
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Execept when organized and highly selfish parties take over certain areas of the market and slam the door on any noobs coming in and setting up shop. Just look at Walmart in the early 2000's. Small businesses were dropping like flies...and it had nothing to do with socialism. Walmart was moving into small towns and took over neighborhood after neighborhood. Only another megacorporation could possibly compete with that. Is that what we want? Colossal megacorporations clashing for supremacy in the name of capitalism? If they have had their way without having to follow rules of fair play, small businesses wouldn't have a chance.
Toddsterpatriot
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The issue isn't whether we now have a cure for cancer in China or from another supposed communist government, but whether capitalism impedes the development of cures in the United States and I've already provided evidence of that.
"Richter cited Gilead Sciences’ treatments for hepatitis C, which achieved cure rates of more than 90 percent. The company’s U.S. sales for these hepatitis C treatments peaked at $12.5 billion in 2015, but have been falling ever since. Goldman estimates the U.S. sales for these treatments will be less than $4 billion this year, according to a table in the report.
GILD is a case in point, where the success of its hepatitis C franchise has gradually exhausted the available pool of treatable patients,” the analyst wrote. “In the case of infectious diseases such as hepatitis C, curing existing patients also decreases the number of carriers able to transmit the virus to new patients, thus the incident pool also declines … Where an incident pool remains stable (eg, in cancer) the potential for a cure poses less risk to the sustainability of a franchise."
Goldman Sachs asks in biotech research report: 'Is curing patients a sustainable business model?'
Goldman Sachs warns sales from the most successful disease treatments are difficult to maintain.
www.cnbc.com
It's not profitable for capitalists to cure the disease, just to keep it stable and people alive with the disease as long as possible.
When What’s Good For The World Is Bad For Business | Current Affairs
www.currentaffairs.org
Commercial viability or profitability doesn't always align with societal needs or the public good. In a socialist society, we will focus on a permanent, effective cure. Whether we've developed one in the past or have one now is irrelevant to the point that's being made. You're also ignoring your claim that all valuable products or goods that serve the public, are commercially viable. I showed how that's not the case at all.
The issue isn't whether we now have a cure for cancer in China or from another supposed communist government, but whether capitalism impedes the development of cures in the United States and I've already provided evidence of that.
No capitalistic impeding in the USSR or Red China. No cures either, obviously.
GILD is a case in point, where the success of its hepatitis C franchise has gradually exhausted the available pool of treatable patients,”
They cured most of the patients and made tens of billions. Just awful!
A company that did the same for cancer would make hundreds of billions for decades.
Not to mention the Nobel Prizes, magazine covers, supermodel girlfriends.
Where is your evidence they're sitting on cures?
In a socialist society, we will focus on a permanent, effective cure.
Where is your focus? Where is your cure?
Too busy trying not to starve in your worker's paradise?
Whether we've developed one in the past or have one now is irrelevant to the point that's being made.
Why is the socialist failure to do anything close to what capitalists have done ever irrelevant?
Toddsterpatriot
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Greater selection, lower prices. The humanity!!!
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"The fossil fuel industry starting from the 1950s was engaging in campaigns against the nuclear industry which it perceived as a threat to their commercial interests.[33][34] Organizations such as the American Petroleum Institute, the Pennsylvania Independent Oil and Gas Association and Marcellus Shale Coalition were engaged in anti-nuclear lobbying in the late 2010s[35] and from 2019, large fossil fuel suppliers started advertising campaigns portraying fossil gas as a "perfect partner for renewables" (wording from Shell and Statoil advertisements).[36][37] Fossil fuel companies such as Atlantic Richfield were also donors to environmental organizations with clear anti-nuclear stances, such as Friends of the Earth.[36][38] Groups like the Sierra Club, Environmental Defense Fund and Natural Resources Defense Council are receiving grants from other fossil fuel companies.[39][36][40] As of 2011, a strategy paper released by Greenpeace titled "Battle of Grids" proposed gradual replacement of nuclear power by fossil gas plants which would provide "flexible backup for wind and solar power".[41]"
Anti-nuclear movement - Wikipedia
Friends of the Earth :: Works to kill nuclear power around the world and refuses to disclose its donors.
"The American Petroleum Institute, the nation's biggest and most influential lobbying group for the oil and natural gas industry, is fighting nuclear power subsidies across the U.S., poised to oppose any efforts to expand renewable electricity, and telling the Trump administration that its study on the power grid better not hurt natural gas in an effort to help coal and nuclear energy.
Why it matters: The entry of API into the debate over power generation is a turning point in an industry long dominated by coal and nuclear energy. It's also a shift at an organization traditionally known for focusing on drilling and the transportation sector. API's members, including Exxon Mobil Corp., and Royal Dutch Shell, are increasingly producing natural gas, and now the group is fighting to make sure that fuel becomes America's dominant source of electricity.
A decade ago, coal powered almost 50% of U.S. electricity. By last year, that figure had dropped to 30%, and natural gas has made up most of the difference. Here's an Axios card deck primer on America's electricity sources.
Fueled by the oil and natural gas boom over the last decade, API began moving into the electricity business in late 2015, when it acquired another trade group, America's Natural Gas Alliance, whose sole mission was to pump up demand for natural gas. API's broader mission has come into clearer focus over the last few months in three ways."
Corporate & Energy Interest Funding for Anti-Nuclear Groups
Sierra Club :: Has taken $136 million from nat gas/ renewables interests that stand to profit from the closure of nuclear plants.
Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) :: Has minimum of $70 million directly invested in oil and gas renewable energy interests that stand to profit from the closure of nuclear plants.
Environmental Defense Fund :: Has received minimum of $60 million from oil, gas, & renewables investors who would directly benefit from EDF's anti-nuclear advocacy.
WISE International :: Funded by renewable energy interests that stand to profit from the closure of nuclear plants.
Environmental Law and Policy Center (ELPC) Funded by natural gas and renewable energy interests that stand to profit from the closure of nuclear plants.
Just google "Fossil Fuel Industry against Nuclear Energy" or "Fossil Fuel Industry Lobby Against Nuclear", and you'll get a mountain of evidence. These fossil fuel companies even fund the "greenies" that you hate. They fund all of that shit.
Capitalists fund liberals as well. This is another issue but nonetheless, it shows how capitalists only care about profits and that's it. All of the gender dysphoria and lunacy, injecting children with puberty blockers. It's funded by very wealthy powerful capitalists. They see this as a lucrative business opportunity. Getting children hooked on expensive hormone treatments and surgeries FOREVER. They love that shit. They'll gladly keep us hooked on fossil fuels when we could be building nuclear plants and drawing all of our energy form clean, safe nuclear.
The anti-nuclear green lobby is indeed full of shit, and they receive money from big oil, believe it or not. Do you know why? Because everyone knows that we can't rely 100% on freaking solar panels and batteries. Relying on windmills in 2023? Don Quixote? We need nuclear and the greenies have drunk the anti-nuclear Kool-Aid.
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Capitalism makes finding a cure even less likely. It's actually the government that funds cures, not capitalism. So whether it's socialism here in the US or somewhere else, that hasn't found a cure yet, eventually, we will, and when we find it, it will be despite capitalism, not because of it.
The democratic party is "communist", or "socialist" because it's for the government "doing stuff" rather than the private sector and its "free market" doing everything. When we communists point out the government's crucial role in developing pharmaceuticals, then "government doing stuff", magically isn't really communism or socialism anymore. How convenient.
A couple of weeks ago Todd and I were discussing how Walmart pays so little that many of its employees have to rely on government assistance, like food stamps. The government is essentially subsidizing Walmart's workforce, despite it being one of the wealthiest companies in the world. Its CEO makes 1000+ times more than the lowest-paid employee in their stores. I proposed that the government can offer all Americans an employment guarantee. If you can't find a job in the private sector, you have a job in the public sector, in government. There's plenty to be done in this country, rebuilding and maintaining our infrastructure. The government's "public works department" can employ tens of millions of Americans.
This will stimulate the economy and actually increase the profits of both small, local businesses and big outlet stores like Walmart. More Americans, making good money, translates into more customers, buying your products, eating in your restaurant..etc. Do you know what Todd's response was?
"UUUUuuuuuUUUUuuuu that's the Soviet Union. That's Commie Shit."
The government doing stuff = commie shit. Well if the US government's resources are crucial in the development of pharmaceuticals/cures for disease, then it's essentially socialism, "commie-shit", that will be responsible for the cure for cancer, not Todd's beloved, imaginary "free market". We don't need rich capitalists like Todd. Why is Todd so emotionally involved in this discussion? He's a pearl-clutching rich dude or a completely brainwashed working-class person, who drank the capitalist Kool-Aid. He votes against his own interests at the ballot box. He's one of capitalism's many working-class drones. I suspect he's a pearl clutcher and not of the working-class.
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Toddsterpatriot
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"The fossil fuel industry starting from the 1950s was engaging in campaigns against the nuclear industry which it perceived as a threat to their commercial interests.[33][34] Organizations such as the American Petroleum Institute, the Pennsylvania Independent Oil and Gas Association and Marcellus Shale Coalition were engaged in anti-nuclear lobbying in the late 2010s[35] and from 2019, large fossil fuel suppliers started advertising campaigns portraying fossil gas as a "perfect partner for renewables" (wording from Shell and Statoil advertisements).[36][37] Fossil fuel companies such as Atlantic Richfield were also donors to environmental organizations with clear anti-nuclear stances, such as Friends of the Earth.[36][38] Groups like the Sierra Club, Environmental Defense Fund and Natural Resources Defense Council are receiving grants from other fossil fuel companies.[39][36][40] As of 2011, a strategy paper released by Greenpeace titled "Battle of Grids" proposed gradual replacement of nuclear power by fossil gas plants which would provide "flexible backup for wind and solar power".[41]"
Anti-nuclear movement - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Friends of the Earth :: Works to kill nuclear power around the world and refuses to disclose its donors.
"The American Petroleum Institute, the nation's biggest and most influential lobbying group for the oil and natural gas industry, is fighting nuclear power subsidies across the U.S., poised to oppose any efforts to expand renewable electricity, and telling the Trump administration that its study on the power grid better not hurt natural gas in an effort to help coal and nuclear energy.
Why it matters: The entry of API into the debate over power generation is a turning point in an industry long dominated by coal and nuclear energy. It's also a shift at an organization traditionally known for focusing on drilling and the transportation sector. API's members, including Exxon Mobil Corp., and Royal Dutch Shell, are increasingly producing natural gas, and now the group is fighting to make sure that fuel becomes America's dominant source of electricity.
A decade ago, coal powered almost 50% of U.S. electricity. By last year, that figure had dropped to 30%, and natural gas has made up most of the difference. Here's an Axios card deck primer on America's electricity sources.
Fueled by the oil and natural gas boom over the last decade, API began moving into the electricity business in late 2015, when it acquired another trade group, America's Natural Gas Alliance, whose sole mission was to pump up demand for natural gas. API's broader mission has come into clearer focus over the last few months in three ways."
Corporate & Energy Interest Funding for Anti-Nuclear Groups
Sierra Club :: Has taken $136 million from nat gas/ renewables interests that stand to profit from the closure of nuclear plants.
Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) :: Has minimum of $70 million directly invested in oil and gas renewable energy interests that stand to profit from the closure of nuclear plants.
Environmental Defense Fund :: Has received minimum of $60 million from oil, gas, & renewables investors who would directly benefit from EDF's anti-nuclear advocacy.
WISE International :: Funded by renewable energy interests that stand to profit from the closure of nuclear plants.
Environmental Law and Policy Center (ELPC) Funded by natural gas and renewable energy interests that stand to profit from the closure of nuclear plants.
Just google "Fossil Fuel Industry against Nuclear Energy" or "Fossil Fuel Industry Lobby Against Nuclear", and you'll get a mountain of evidence. These fossil fuel companies even fund the "greenies" that you hate. They fund all of that shit.
Capitalists fund liberals as well. This is another issue but nonetheless, it shows how capitalists only care about profits and that's it. All of the gender dysphoria and lunacy, injecting children with puberty blockers. It's funded by very wealthy powerful capitalists. They see this as a lucrative business opportunity. Getting children hooked on expensive hormone treatments and surgeries FOREVER. They love that shit. They'll gladly keep us hooked on fossil fuels when we could be building nuclear plants and drawing all of our energy form clean, safe nuclear.
The anti-nuclear green lobby is indeed full of shit, and they receive money from big oil, believe it or not. Do you know why? Because everyone knows that we can't rely 100% on freaking solar panels and batteries. Relying on windmills in 2023? Don Quixote? We need nuclear and the greenies have drunk the anti-nuclear Kool-Aid.
Organizations such as the American Petroleum Institute, the Pennsylvania Independent Oil and Gas Association and Marcellus Shale Coalition were engaged in anti-nuclear lobbying in the late 2010s[35]
Finally! A real link.
They don't want handouts to current nuclear power plants to keep them open and compete
against current natural gas plants. If the greens weren't such stupid twats, they'd back nuclear.
But they are, so they won't.
Toddsterpatriot
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Whether nuclear is commercially viable or not is irrelevant. I already showed you how goods and services don't have to be profitable or deemed "commercially viable" by capitalists, to serve the public good, offering a valuable product or service. The fossil fuel industry gets a fortune in government subsidies:
| RANK | PARENT | SUBSIDY VALUE . | NUMBER OF AWARDS |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Boeing | $15,136,286,466 | 946 |
| 2 | Intel | $8,371,896,017 | 133 |
| 3 | Ford Motor | $7,761,916,195 | 815 |
| 4 | General Motors | $7,594,509,872 | 990 |
| 5 | Micron Technology | $6,785,681,915 | 18 |
| 6 | Alcoa | $5,798,600,778 | 160 |
| 7 | X-Energy LLC | $5,661,511,202 | 17 |
| 8 | General Atomics | $5,465,529,295 | 438 |
| 9 | Cheniere Energy | $5,431,565,870 | 41 |
| 10 | Amazon.com | $5,191,773,349 | 333 |
| 11 | Foxconn Technology Group (Hon Hai Precision Industry Company) | $4,827,036,483 | 76 |
| 12 | Sempra Energy | $3,835,098,001 | 53 |
| 13 | Southern Company | $3,783,360,569 | 130 |
| 14 | NRG Energy | $3,586,516,301 | 268 |
| 15 | Venture Global LNG | $3,285,883,566 | 6 |
| 16 | NextEra Energy | $3,003,823,754 | 117 |
| 17 | Tesla Inc. | $2,836,366,619 | 116 |
| 18 | Sasol | $2,836,049,845 | 72 |
| 19 | Stellantis | $2,800,442,867 | 230 |
| 20 | Volkswagen | $2,740,983,143 | 222 |
| 21 | General Electric | $2,529,193,561 | 1,668 |
| 22 | Nucor | $2,514,358,340 | 158 |
| 23 | Walt Disney | $2,421,304,588 | 248 |
| 24 | Brookfield Asset Management | $2,339,430,278 | 304 |
| 25 | Toyota | $2,303,826,689 | 199 |
| 26 | Iberdrola | $2,285,768,043 | 112 |
| 27 | Summit Power | $2,240,568,236 | 8 |
| 28 | Shell PLC | $2,184,517,527 | 141 |
| 29 | Oracle | $2,167,890,528 | 88 |
| 30 | Mubadala Investment Company | $2,124,035,097 | 62 |
| 31 | Nike | $2,104,917,829 | 138 |
| 32 | Hyundai Motor | $2,072,957,848 | 27 |
| 33 | SCS Energy | $1,927,236,683 | 10 |
| 34 | Archer Daniels Midland | $1,920,305,787 | 1,099 |
| 35 | Exxon Mobil | $1,891,153,489 | 207 |
| 36 | NuScale Power | $1,880,780,589 | 34 |
| 37 | Berkshire Hathaway | $1,859,775,471 | 1,158 |
| 38 | Nissan | $1,842,814,165 | 87 |
| 39 | Alphabet Inc. | $1,832,565,977 | 116 |
| 40 | Paramount Global | $1,751,801,882 | 317 |
| 41 | Apple Inc. | $1,750,043,420 | 36 |
| 42 | Comcast | $1,722,467,426 | 376 |
| 43 | JPMorgan Chase | $1,663,890,873 | 1,129 |
| 44 | Cleveland-Cliffs | $1,654,401,303 | 137 |
| 45 | Energy Transfer | $1,634,074,422 | 106 |
| 46 | Samsung | $1,586,310,806 | 70 |
| 47 | PG&E Corp. | $1,568,027,901 | 27 |
| 48 | IBM Corp. | $1,562,738,626 | 387 |
| 49 | SkyWest | $1,550,492,958 | 683 |
| 50 | Rivian Automotive Inc. | $1,532,854,012 | 3 |
| 51 | OGE Energy | $1,427,570,182 | 15 |
| 52 | Panasonic | $1,385,969,341 | 61 |
| 53 | Raytheon Technologies | $1,322,899,721 | 952 |
| 54 | Duke Energy | $1,318,084,164 | 69 |
| 55 | Lockheed Martin | $1,302,847,415 | 337 |
| 56 | Corning Inc. | $1,272,628,059 | 395 |
| 57 | Northrop Grumman | $1,266,804,354 | 266 |
| 58 | Vingroup | $1,254,000,000 | 1 |
| 59 | Continental AG | $1,244,875,478 | 111 |
| 60 | Vornado Realty Trust | $1,243,857,336 | 32 |
| 61 | Microsoft | $1,153,690,869 | 103 |
| 62 | Jefferies Financial Group | $1,120,662,497 | 18 |
| 63 | Meta Platforms Inc. | $1,105,098,844 | 53 |
| 64 | Dow Inc. | $1,091,152,544 | 686 |
| 65 | Abengoa | $1,082,660,583 | 63 |
| 66 | SK Holdings | $1,081,550,283 | 9 |
| 67 | LG | $1,055,690,737 | 103 |
| 68 | Valero Energy | $1,054,520,860 | 199 |
| 69 | Exelon | $1,040,601,369 | 98 |
| 70 | AES Corp. | $1,010,194,632 | 132 |
| 71 | CF Industries | $982,271,715 | 129 |
| 72 | Pyramid Companies | $966,050,097 | 91 |
| 73 | EDF-Electricite de France | $940,247,983 | 65 |
| 74 | Texas Instruments | $940,071,436 | 60 |
| 75 | Mazda Toyota Manufacturing, U.S.A., Inc. | $900,000,000 | 1 |
| 76 | Air Products & Chemicals | $897,651,105 | 248 |
| 77 | Delta Air Lines | $876,412,623 | 14 |
| 78 | Centene | $875,064,432 | 54 |
| 79 | Bayer | $849,175,809 | 202 |
| 80 | Honda | $846,026,154 | 91 |
| 81 | Enterprise Products Partners | $826,988,371 | 83 |
| 82 | Shin-Etsu Chemical | $826,062,285 | 104 |
| 83 | SunEdison | $812,753,318 | 119 |
| 84 | Apollo Global Management | $804,565,970 | 471 |
| 85 | Goldman Sachs | $801,573,386 | 255 |
| 86 | E.ON | $782,609,880 | 38 |
| 87 | Wolfspeed Inc. | $773,681,732 | 88 |
| 88 | Triple Five Worldwide | $748,000,000 | 4 |
| 89 | EDP-Energias de Portugal | $733,674,868 | 14 |
| 90 | Warner Bros. Discovery Inc. | $725,632,525 | 206 |
| 91 | Gotion | $715,000,000 | 1 |
| 92 | American Electric Power | $699,673,821 | 92 |
| 93 | Bank of America | $698,760,073 | 919 |
| 94 | Johnson Controls | $691,180,720 | 144 |
| 95 | Related Companies | $687,200,000 | 1 |
| 96 | Caithness Energy | $670,379,738 | 28 |
| 97 | Hyannis Air Service Inc. | $667,928,778 | 296 |
| 98 | Koch Industries | $662,557,530 | 486 |
| 99 | Sagamore Development | $660,000,000 | 1 |
They lobby for all of that government/communist money. It's government man = commie. Yeah! Commies! Capitalism can't survive without socialism. Privatizing the profits and making its losses public.
Toddsterpatriot
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Capitalism makes finding a cure even less likely.
Capitalism made a cure for hepatitis C possible. I haven't seen a hepatitis C cure from communism.
It's actually the government that funds cures, not capitalism.
So why haven't the commie governments funded a cancer cure yet?
A couple of weeks ago Todd and I were discussing how Walmart pays so little that many of its employees have to rely on government assistance, like food stamps.
Are you telling me that Walmart, besides providing quality goods at reasonable prices, also reduces the amount of government assistance its employees need?
The government is essentially subsidizing Walmart's workforce, despite it being one of the wealthiest companies in the world.
How wealthy are they?
Its CEO makes 1000+ times more than the lowest-paid employee in their stores.
What does the lowest-paid employee do? How much is he paid? What is the proper ratio?
I proposed that the government can offer all Americans an employment guarantee. If you can't find a job in the private sector, you have a job in the public sector, in government.
That's a proposal alright. A pretty stupid one.
How much will these new government employees make?
Well if the US government's resources are crucial in the development of pharmaceuticals/cures for disease
What government resources cured Hep C?
We don't need rich capitalists like Todd. Why is Todd so emotionally involved in this discussion?
We don't need commie failure here; we saw what it did in eastern Europe.
Toddsterpatriot
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Whether nuclear is commercially viable or not is irrelevant. I already showed you how goods and services don't have to be profitable or deemed "commercially viable" by capitalists, to serve the public good, offering a valuable product or service. The fossil fuel industry gets a fortune in government subsidies:
RANK PARENT SUBSIDY VALUE NUMBER OF AWARDS 1 Boeing $15,136,286,466 946 2 Intel $8,371,896,017 133 3 Ford Motor $7,761,916,195 815 4 General Motors $7,594,509,872 990 5 Micron Technology $6,785,681,915 18 6 Alcoa $5,798,600,778 160 7 X-Energy LLC $5,661,511,202 17 8 General Atomics $5,465,529,295 438 9 Cheniere Energy $5,431,565,870 41 10 Amazon.com $5,191,773,349 333 11 Foxconn Technology Group (Hon Hai Precision Industry Company) $4,827,036,483 76 12 Sempra Energy $3,835,098,001 53 13 Southern Company $3,783,360,569 130 14 NRG Energy $3,586,516,301 268 15 Venture Global LNG $3,285,883,566 6 16 NextEra Energy $3,003,823,754 117 17 Tesla Inc. $2,836,366,619 116 18 Sasol $2,836,049,845 72 19 Stellantis $2,800,442,867 230 20 Volkswagen $2,740,983,143 222 21 General Electric $2,529,193,561 1,668 22 Nucor $2,514,358,340 158 23 Walt Disney $2,421,304,588 248 24 Brookfield Asset Management $2,339,430,278 304 25 Toyota $2,303,826,689 199 26 Iberdrola $2,285,768,043 112 27 Summit Power $2,240,568,236 8 28 Shell PLC $2,184,517,527 141 29 Oracle $2,167,890,528 88 30 Mubadala Investment Company $2,124,035,097 62 31 Nike $2,104,917,829 138 32 Hyundai Motor $2,072,957,848 27 33 SCS Energy $1,927,236,683 10 34 Archer Daniels Midland $1,920,305,787 1,099 35 Exxon Mobil $1,891,153,489 207 36 NuScale Power $1,880,780,589 34 37 Berkshire Hathaway $1,859,775,471 1,158 38 Nissan $1,842,814,165 87 39 Alphabet Inc. $1,832,565,977 116 40 Paramount Global $1,751,801,882 317 41 Apple Inc. $1,750,043,420 36 42 Comcast $1,722,467,426 376 43 JPMorgan Chase $1,663,890,873 1,129 44 Cleveland-Cliffs $1,654,401,303 137 45 Energy Transfer $1,634,074,422 106 46 Samsung $1,586,310,806 70 47 PG&E Corp. $1,568,027,901 27 48 IBM Corp. $1,562,738,626 387 49 SkyWest $1,550,492,958 683 50 Rivian Automotive Inc. $1,532,854,012 3 51 OGE Energy $1,427,570,182 15 52 Panasonic $1,385,969,341 61 53 Raytheon Technologies $1,322,899,721 952 54 Duke Energy $1,318,084,164 69 55 Lockheed Martin $1,302,847,415 337 56 Corning Inc. $1,272,628,059 395 57 Northrop Grumman $1,266,804,354 266 58 Vingroup $1,254,000,000 1 59 Continental AG $1,244,875,478 111 60 Vornado Realty Trust $1,243,857,336 32 61 Microsoft $1,153,690,869 103 62 Jefferies Financial Group $1,120,662,497 18 63 Meta Platforms Inc. $1,105,098,844 53 64 Dow Inc. $1,091,152,544 686 65 Abengoa $1,082,660,583 63 66 SK Holdings $1,081,550,283 9 67 LG $1,055,690,737 103 68 Valero Energy $1,054,520,860 199 69 Exelon $1,040,601,369 98 70 AES Corp. $1,010,194,632 132 71 CF Industries $982,271,715 129 72 Pyramid Companies $966,050,097 91 73 EDF-Electricite de France $940,247,983 65 74 Texas Instruments $940,071,436 60 75 Mazda Toyota Manufacturing, U.S.A., Inc. $900,000,000 1 76 Air Products & Chemicals $897,651,105 248 77 Delta Air Lines $876,412,623 14 78 Centene $875,064,432 54 79 Bayer $849,175,809 202 80 Honda $846,026,154 91 81 Enterprise Products Partners $826,988,371 83 82 Shin-Etsu Chemical $826,062,285 104 83 SunEdison $812,753,318 119 84 Apollo Global Management $804,565,970 471 85 Goldman Sachs $801,573,386 255 86 E.ON $782,609,880 38 87 Wolfspeed Inc. $773,681,732 88 88 Triple Five Worldwide $748,000,000 4 89 EDP-Energias de Portugal $733,674,868 14 90 Warner Bros. Discovery Inc. $725,632,525 206 91 Gotion $715,000,000 1 92 American Electric Power $699,673,821 92 93 Bank of America $698,760,073 919 94 Johnson Controls $691,180,720 144 95 Related Companies $687,200,000 1 96 Caithness Energy $670,379,738 28 97 Hyannis Air Service Inc. $667,928,778 296 98 Koch Industries $662,557,530 486 99 Sagamore Development $660,000,000 1
They lobby for all of that government/communist money. It's government man = commie. Yeah! Commies! Capitalism can't survive without socialism. Privatizing the profits and making its losses public.
The fossil fuel industry gets a fortune in government subsidies:
That's awful! Can you break those subsidies down for me? Post a list?
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