What is the goal of capitalism?

[Soupnazi630]

Sure sure, then post about brownback’s supply side success in Kansas.

Why would an irrelevant ancedote matter?

 

[otto105]

Here’s a primer for you fuckup.


Kansas Provides Compelling Evidence of Failure of "Supply-Side" Tax Cuts | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

 

[Soupnazi630]

Here’s a primer for you fuckup.


Kansas Provides Compelling Evidence of Failure of "Supply-Side" Tax Cuts | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

No one is discussing supply side you dumbass

 

[otto105]

No one is discussing supply side you dumbass

Sorry, was this not posted by a fellow fuckup of yours…

“Supply-side economics works every time it's tried.”



So….

 

[Soupnazi630]

Sorry, was this not posted by a fellow fuckup of yours…

“Supply-side economics works every time it's tried.”



So….

Then ask that poster aboiut the brownbacks you dipshit

 

[TruthNotBS]

The USSR was a massive failure proving how marxism can never work.

The famed industrialization of the USSR is a sham.


They force dmassive industrialization by forcing people to build factories and then working in those factories which in turn produced NOTHING of value.

Essentially it was slave labor to produce an impressive statistic.


The result was not only economic failure and slavery it was in caused a massive collapse of agriculture and in turn starvation. On top of mass murder of tens of millions.

A few outlying examples of innovation does not disprove the facts about the insanse monstrosity and failure of the USSR

The USSR was a massive failure proving how marxism can never work.

That's an irrational, emotionally charged statement. Your assertion disingenuously ignores the context of its failure, what the circumstances were that led to its failure and all of its many accomplishments despite of all of the obstacles it had to overcome.

More socialism is now throughout the world, implemented in many mixed economies. So you're ignoring reality to advance your false narrative that socialism WILL NEVER WORK. It's working right now, in many countries.

The famed industrialization of the USSR is a sham. They force dmassive industrialization by forcing people to build factories and then working in those factories which in turn produced NOTHING of value.

Your claim that a few communists were able to "force" all of Russia to industrialize that massive country and that they produced "NOTHING" of value is absurd. A crazy opinion by a capitalist polemicist.

Essentially it was slave labor to produce an impressive statistic.

Empty, irrational claim. A few communists forced 250+ million people to work under the whip? Only a braindead garden slug would believe that.

The result was not only economic failure and slavery it was in caused a massive collapse of agriculture and in turn starvation. On top of mass murder of tens of millions. A few outlying examples of innovation does not disprove the facts about the insanse monstrosity and failure of the USSR.

You're spewing nothing but cheap capitalist, imperialist rhetoric. The reality is that the Soviet Union, from its founding, was in a state of war against capitalist powers and despite of all of the obstacles was able to establish a state-managed socialist society, which became the second economy in the world. It rivaled the most powerful capitalist nation with over 100 years of industrialization ahead of Russia, for 70+ years.

You will never be able to erase from history that extraordinary, historical example of Soviet socialim's ability to quickly industrialize a nation despite all of the insurmountable, extreme obstacles it faced from the US, Nazi Germany, and other capitalist enemies.

​

Harpal Brar addresses all of your cheap rhetoric and tears it apart in the above video. Your death toll argument is also exaggerated:

New research shows slavery’s central role in U.S. economic growth leading up to the Civil War

New estimates show that slavery was a major driver of regional and national economic growth and development before the U.S. Civil War.

equitablegrowth.org

America was built upon the backs of slaves, whether chattel slavery or wage slavery under horrible, inhumane conditions. If it wasn't for American socialists, the leftists in this country, we would still be working 80+ hours weekly for peanuts, with hardly any labor rights. Unemployment benefits, work comp, pensions, Social Security (1930s), Medicare, and Medicaid (1960s), were pushed from below, by leftists, not right-wingers.

FDR's New Deal only occurred on the brink of a second civil war during the Great Depression. Under the specter of a civil war, FDR told the American ruling class that if they didn't comply with populist demands and sentiments, the whole capitalist house of cards would collapse into chaos. FDR raised taxes to 93% for the wealthiest Americans, and that high tax rate was maintained for decades. The golden age of our American economy was a leftist economy by today's GOP and FOX News definition of what is "socialism". It was a leftist economy that gave the American people their best years, economically.

All of Western Europe is socialist now, according to the Republican's rhetoric of what is socialism and who is a socialist.

 

[Soupnazi630]

The USSR was a massive failure proving how marxism can never work.

That's an irrational, emotionally charged statement. Your assertion disingenuously ignores the context of its failure, what the circumstances were that led to its failure and all of its many accomplishments despite of all of the obstacles it had to overcome.

More socialism is now throughout the world, implemented in many mixed economies. So you're ignoring reality to advance your false narrative that socialism WILL NEVER WORK. It's working right now, in many countries.

The famed industrialization of the USSR is a sham. They force dmassive industrialization by forcing people to build factories and then working in those factories which in turn produced NOTHING of value.

Your claim that a few communists were able to "force" all of Russia to industrialize that massive country and that they produced "NOTHING" of value is absurd. A crazy opinion by a capitalist polemicist.

Essentially it was slave labor to produce an impressive statistic.

Empty, irrational claim. A few communists forced 250+ million people to work under the whip? Only a braindead garden slug would believe that.

The result was not only economic failure and slavery it was in caused a massive collapse of agriculture and in turn starvation. On top of mass murder of tens of millions. A few outlying examples of innovation does not disprove the facts about the insanse monstrosity and failure of the USSR.

You're spewing nothing but cheap capitalist, imperialist rhetoric. The reality is that the Soviet Union, from its founding, was in a state of war against capitalist powers and despite of all of the obstacles was able to establish a state-managed socialist society, which became the second economy in the world. It rivaled the most powerful capitalist nation with over 100 years of industrialization ahead of Russia, for 70+ years.

You will never be able to erase from history that extraordinary, historical example of Soviet socialim's ability to quickly industrialize a nation despite all of the insurmountable, extreme obstacles it faced from the US, Nazi Germany, and other capitalist enemies.

​

Harpal Brar addresses all of your cheap rhetoric and tears it apart in the above video. Your death toll argument is also exaggerated:

New research shows slavery’s central role in U.S. economic growth leading up to the Civil War

New estimates show that slavery was a major driver of regional and national economic growth and development before the U.S. Civil War.

equitablegrowth.org

America was built upon the backs of slaves, whether chattel slavery or wage slavery under horrible, inhumane conditions. If it wasn't for American socialists, the leftists in this country, we would still be working 80+ hours weekly for peanuts, with hardly any labor rights. Unemployment benefits, work comp, pensions, Social Security (1930s), Medicare, and Medicaid (1960s), were pushed from below, by leftists, not right-wingers.

FDR's New Deal only occurred on the brink of a second civil war during the Great Depression. Under the specter of a civil war, FDR told the American ruling class that if they didn't comply with populist demands and sentiments, the whole capitalist house of cards would collapse into chaos. FDR raised taxes to 93% for the wealthiest Americans, and that high tax rate was maintained for decades. The golden age of our American economy was a leftist economy by today's GOP and FOX News definition of what is "socialism". It was a leftist economy that gave the American people their best years, economically.

All of Western Europe is socialist now, according to the Republican's rhetoric of what is socialism and who is a socialist.

Wrong boy

What I stated was simple historic fact it was not the leats bit emotional or irrational.

No one is denying the industrialization of the USSR and how quickly it happened. What you are ignoring is that it was a hollow shell built on slavery.

Real slavery not the myth of wage slavery.

America had slavery but it was not built by slavery. Slavery only built some wealth for a few people and was then destroyed.

Yes a few people with guns ( not whips ) forced that many to become slaves that is fact. Apparently your stupid ass thinks that slave owners have to out number the slaves.

I am stating historic documented facts. It is you spewing cheap and easily debunked communist propoganda,.

My death toll is not an argument nor is it exaggerated it is documented and proven inbt he USSR's OWN archives.

The USSR government slaughtered more of it's own people than Hitler killed in the holocaust. That is not even arguable.

Governmment welfare is not socialism. Dumbass.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Wrong boy

What I stated was simple historic fact it was not the leats bit emotional or irrational.

No one is denying the industrialization of the USSR and how quickly it happened. What you are ignoring is that it was a hollow shell built on slavery.

Real slavery not the myth of wage slavery.

America had slavery but it was not built by slavery. Slavery only built some wealth for a few people and was then destroyed.

Yes a few people with guns ( not whips ) forced that many to become slaves that is fact. Apparently your stupid ass thinks that slave owners have to out number the slaves.

I am stating historic documented facts. It is you spewing cheap and easily debunked communist propoganda,.

My death toll is not an argument nor is it exaggerated it is documented and proven inbt he USSR's OWN archives.

The USSR government slaughtered more of it's own people than Hitler killed in the holocaust. That is not even arguable.

Governmment welfare is not socialism. Dumbass.

Wrong boy

100% correct, punk.

What I stated was simple historic fact it was not the leats bit emotional or irrational.

I state facts, you have nothing but cheap, capitalist rhetoric. Opinions without evidence.

No one is denying the industrialization of the USSR and how quickly it happened. What you are ignoring is that it was a hollow shell built on slavery.

What you are ignoring is that your claim that a few communists forced hundreds of millions of people to build Russia, is baseless. Thanks for admitting that the USSR (socialist central planning), was able to industrialize itself impressively quick. What do you think is going to happen, when the labor consists of highly intelligent robots, that work 24/7? HELLO, did the light bulb just turn on in your head?

You admit that socialism quickly industrialized Russia. Eliminate human labor or "slavery" with robots, now what? You still get all of the benefits of socialism, without your supposed slavery. How about that? We're inevitably going to have to adopt socialism in this country due to advanced 21st-century automation technology and artificial intelligence. Wake up and smell the coffee.

Real slavery not the myth of wage slavery. America had slavery but it was not built by slavery. Slavery only built some wealth for a few people and was then destroyed.

“Slavery was an important institution for economic development in the United States, and the unrequited labor of enslaved women, men, and children helped produce in significant ways the nation’s economic expansion in the two decades before the Civil War.”

New research shows slavery’s central role in U.S. economic growth leading up to the Civil War

New estimates show that slavery was a major driver of regional and national economic growth and development before the U.S. Civil War.

equitablegrowth.org

Yes a few people with guns ( not whips ) forced that many to become slaves that is fact. Apparently your stupid ass thinks that slave owners have to out number the slaves.

UUUUUU they hated it so much:

​

1420 is an American-funded NGO. A capitalist organization trying to shit on Russia. That video wasn't produced by communists. The people that were in the video had a mostly positive opinion. The young people, that didn't experience the USSR, gave a negative opinion. Ignorant shitheads like you, brainwashed by capitalist propaganda.

​

How many people miss the USSR in Russia?

"According to the New Russia Barometer (NRB) polls by the Centre for the Study of Public Policy, 50% of Russian respondents reported a positive impression of the Soviet Union in 1991. This increased to about 75% of NRB respondents in 2000, dropping slightly to 71% in 2009." Source:

Nostalgia for the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

UUUUUUUU THE SLAVERY, THE GUNS OF A FEW COMMUNISTS UUUUUUUUU, ENSLAVING EVERYONE TO INDUSTRIALIZE RUSSIA AND FIGHT THE NAZIS.......

I am stating historic documented facts.

You're just pulling that out of your ass.

It is you spewing cheap and easily debunked communist propaganda,. My death toll is not an argument nor is it exaggerated it is documented and proven inbt he USSR's OWN archives. The USSR government slaughtered more of it's own people than Hitler killed in the holocaust. That is not even arguable.

I have access to the archives through my wife's family (my father-in-law) in Russia. Give me the archival code of the documents in question and I will check them. I can log in to the archive online and I will post images of the documents here, even if it undermines my argument. I will concede defeat. Archive doc-code.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Wrong boy

100% correct, punk.

What I stated was simple historic fact it was not the leats bit emotional or irrational.

I state facts, you have nothing but cheap, capitalist rhetoric. Opinions without evidence.

No one is denying the industrialization of the USSR and how quickly it happened. What you are ignoring is that it was a hollow shell built on slavery.

What you are ignoring is that your claim that a few communists forced hundreds of millions of people to build Russia, is baseless. Thanks for admitting that the USSR (socialist central planning), was able to industrialize itself impressively quick. What do you think is going to happen, when the labor consists of highly intelligent robots, that work 24/7? HELLO, did the light bulb just turn on in your head?

You admit that socialism quickly industrialized Russia. Eliminate human labor or "slavery" with robots, now what? You still get all of the benefits of socialism, without your supposed slavery. How about that? We're inevitably going to have to adopt socialism in this country due to advanced 21st-century automation technology and artificial intelligence. Wake up and smell the coffee.

Real slavery not the myth of wage slavery. America had slavery but it was not built by slavery. Slavery only built some wealth for a few people and was then destroyed.

“Slavery was an important institution for economic development in the United States, and the unrequited labor of enslaved women, men, and children helped produce in significant ways the nation’s economic expansion in the two decades before the Civil War.”

New research shows slavery’s central role in U.S. economic growth leading up to the Civil War

New estimates show that slavery was a major driver of regional and national economic growth and development before the U.S. Civil War.

equitablegrowth.org

Yes a few people with guns ( not whips ) forced that many to become slaves that is fact. Apparently your stupid ass thinks that slave owners have to out number the slaves.

UUUUUU they hated it so much:

​

1420 is an American-funded NGO. A capitalist organization trying to shit on Russia. That video wasn't produced by communists. The people that were in the video had a mostly positive opinion. The young people, that didn't experience the USSR, gave a negative opinion. Ignorant shitheads like you, brainwashed by capitalist propaganda.

​

How many people miss the USSR in Russia?

"According to the New Russia Barometer (NRB) polls by the Centre for the Study of Public Policy, 50% of Russian respondents reported a positive impression of the Soviet Union in 1991. This increased to about 75% of NRB respondents in 2000, dropping slightly to 71% in 2009." Source:

Nostalgia for the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

UUUUUUUU THE SLAVERY, THE GUNS OF A FEW COMMUNISTS UUUUUUUUU, ENSLAVING EVERYONE TO INDUSTRIALIZE RUSSIA AND FIGHT THE NAZIS.......

I am stating historic documented facts.

You're just pulling that out of your ass.

It is you spewing cheap and easily debunked communist propaganda,. My death toll is not an argument nor is it exaggerated it is documented and proven inbt he USSR's OWN archives. The USSR government slaughtered more of it's own people than Hitler killed in the holocaust. That is not even arguable.

I have access to the archives through my wife's family (my father-in-law) in Russia. Give me the archival code of the documents in question and I will check them. I can log in to the archive online and I will post images of the documents here, even if it undermines my argument. I will concede defeat. Archive doc-code.

You are 100% wrong and brainwashed gay boy

I state proven documented facts you state brainwshed FICTION.

The industrialization of the USSR was a sham as i proved with FACTS


You have no access to archves you lying sack of trash they only allowed such access for a few years after they lost the cold war. But that was enough to prove the montrosity and failure that they were

WHat makes you think a few people with weaspons cannot enslave numbers beyond their own??????????? It happens throughout history.


The USSR fell and failed because it was based on mafrxism which si the most evil ideology in human history

 

[TruthNotBS]

You are 100% wrong and brainwashed gay boy

I state proven documented facts you state brainwshed FICTION.

The industrialization of the USSR was a sham as i proved with FACTS


You have no access to archves you lying sack of trash they only allowed such access for a few years after they lost the cold war. But that was enough to prove the montrosity and failure that they were

WHat makes you think a few people with weaspons cannot enslave numbers beyond their own??????????? It happens throughout history.


The USSR fell and failed because it was based on mafrxism which si the most evil ideology in human history

You ignored all of the points I made in my last post. All you have are infantile insults. Enjoy your ignorance.

 

[TruthNotBS]

You sure are long winded

And insulting

I have treated you respectfully

Maybe because the facts are on my side and I dont feel the need to engage in hysterical namecalling or posting disrespectful pictures the way you do

Because I certainly dont respect your arguments extolling the virtues of communist slave states

Ignore all of the points I made. If you're going to claim that what I am saying is "bullshit", insulting me, then take your own medicine. Boohoo.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Everything I said about the Soviet Marxist systrm being a massive failure was true also

It was a success, despite of its final defeat. Socialism doesn't amount to the USSR. Now socialism is more popular than ever, and in the end, socialists will win. Victory is inevitable due to advanced automation and artificial intelligence.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Socialism is a failure and the future of nothing.

There is no death toll arbument against capitalism. No one has killed anyone to enforce capitalism. The wars you cite were fought for OTHER political reasons.

Communism is the single greatest cause of murder in the twentieth century.

Capitalism was the greatest cause of genocide in the 19th, 20th, and now in the 21st century.

 

[Soupnazi630]

You ignored all of the points I made in my last post. All you have are infantile insults. Enjoy your ignorance.

You made no points you only repeated yourself

It is you living in ignorance.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Capitalism was the greatest cause of genocide in the 19th, 20th, and now in the 21st century.

No it was not

Politics and war in general was the cause. There never was a capitalist genocide.

Within the twentieth century MArxism in various forms in several nations was in fact the single greatest cause of murder.

That is undeniable truth

 

[Mac-7]

Ignore all of the points I made. If you're going to claim that what I am saying is "bullshit", insulting me, then take your own medicine. Boohoo.

You are obviously excited by the promises of communism/socialism

Absolute state control over individuals did manage some progress through the use of brute force

But even after stealing western ideas communism was never able to equal the accomplishments of free societies and ultimately failed

 

[BackAgain]

I disagree that capitalism "serves the interests of freedom and liberty".
Capitalism is just the profit motive, and if the buyer or seller could get away with holding a gun, then capitalism would support that, since that would increase profits.
Infact, all despots, dictators, pillagers, pirates, invading hordes, etc., are all profit motivated capitalists.
Ideally everything should be socialist, where the society invest in what means of production is necessary, and then no additional costs have to be tacked on everything, for profit.
The only reason why we need some capitalism is that capitalism tends to allow for more innovation and rapid advancement in development.
Which is only necessary in a highly competitive world that is constantly at war.

You’re allowed to disagree.

But you’re wrong.

 

[TruthNotBS]

You are obviously excited by the promises of communism/socialism

Absolute state control over individuals did manage some progress through the use of brute force

But even after stealing western ideas communism was never able to equal the accomplishments of free societies and ultimately failed

WOW! Brute force, slavery..etc:





"According to the New Russia Barometer (NRB) polls by the Centre for the Study of Public Policy, 50% of Russian respondents reported a positive impression of the Soviet Union in 1991. This increased to about 75% of NRB respondents in 2000, dropping slightly to 71% in 2009." Source:

Nostalgia for the Soviet Union - Wikipedia​

We're not a free society, we're under a capitalist plutocracy and imperialism. All of that is coming to an end soon thanks to advanced technology, which will replace wage-labor and markets with democratic, high-tech, fully computerized socialist central planning.

 

[Soupnazi630]

WOW! Brute force, slavery..etc:





"According to the New Russia Barometer (NRB) polls by the Centre for the Study of Public Policy, 50% of Russian respondents reported a positive impression of the Soviet Union in 1991. This increased to about 75% of NRB respondents in 2000, dropping slightly to 71% in 2009." Source:

Nostalgia for the Soviet Union - Wikipedia​

We're not a free society, we're under a capitalist plutocracy and imperialism. All of that is coming to an end soon thanks to advanced technology, which will replace wage-labor and markets with democratic, high-tech, fully computerized socialist central planning.

Repeating yourself does not reinforce your failed argument.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Repeating yourself does not reinforce your failed argument.

You haven't addressed my argument. You ignored it. If the Soviet Union were as bad as you and your friend Mac-7 claim, those people wouldn't be so "nostalgic" about the USSR. They would tell the interviewer " I don't even want to talk about it. We were slaves, living in horrible conditions. My life in Soviet Russia was an absolute nightmare". They didn't say that, not even close. Many of them were saying good things about their life in Soviet Russia. You and your other capitalist apologist buddy, Mac-7 are full of poo-poo.

I don't respond to you, for your sake, because I know you're braindead. I respond to you ignorant, lying sacks of guano, for the sake of others, who are genuinely interested in this topic and are seeking the truth. Not you.