Zone1 What is the difference between an American citizen and an American subject?

[Captain Caveman]

At one time you were expected to be a subject of a king or queen in the UK, you're allegiance was expected. That disappeared from the 1940's onwards. The only ones that have to do that are the MP's to take their seats in the commons.

But the "subject" was raised about Americans being subjects, I assume to a flag -

What is the difference between a U.S. citizen and a U.S. subject? How does this affect their legal standing as far as rights go?

Answer (1 of 8): Well, not to mince words but the words do bind the subject of those words. So, let’s just take a brief gander at the fork in the road when the concept of a U.S. citizen took an interesting turn: The term “subject” in the first section of the 14th amendment is a verb as opposed t...

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So as Americans still pledge allegiance, they're obviously subjects.

So the question is, are Americans subjects of the US flag, their government, or their president?

 

[sparky]

The answer is in our constitution Cave dude.....~S~

 

[JGalt]

At one time you were expected to be a subject of a king or queen in the UK, you're allegiance was expected. That disappeared from the 1940's onwards. The only ones that have to do that are the MP's to take their seats in the commons.

But the "subject" was raised about Americans being subjects, I assume to a flag -

What is the difference between a U.S. citizen and a U.S. subject? How does this affect their legal standing as far as rights go?

Answer (1 of 8): Well, not to mince words but the words do bind the subject of those words. So, let’s just take a brief gander at the fork in the road when the concept of a U.S. citizen took an interesting turn: The term “subject” in the first section of the 14th amendment is a verb as opposed t...

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So as Americans still pledge allegiance, they're obviously subjects.

So the question is, are Americans subjects of the US flag, their government, or their president?

There is a difference.

Me: "What is the difference between a subject and a citizen?"

AI Overview



The main difference between a subject and a citizen is the relationship between the individual and the government:

• Citizens
  Have rights and obligations, and are members of a political society where the people retain sovereign power. Citizens are the unit of a mass of free people who are equal, with no hereditary rights superior to others.
• Subjects
  Have only rights, and are subordinate to the ruler. Subjects are people who look up to a master.

"The terms "subject" and "citizen" can sometimes mean the same thing, but not always. The use of these terms depends on the historical period and form of government of the society or state. For example, in the United States, the political revolution changed the political character of the people from subjects to citizens. "

 

[Zincwarrior]

At one time you were expected to be a subject of a king or queen in the UK, you're allegiance was expected. That disappeared from the 1940's onwards. The only ones that have to do that are the MP's to take their seats in the commons.

But the "subject" was raised about Americans being subjects, I assume to a flag -

What is the difference between a U.S. citizen and a U.S. subject? How does this affect their legal standing as far as rights go?

Answer (1 of 8): Well, not to mince words but the words do bind the subject of those words. So, let’s just take a brief gander at the fork in the road when the concept of a U.S. citizen took an interesting turn: The term “subject” in the first section of the 14th amendment is a verb as opposed t...

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So as Americans still pledge allegiance, they're obviously subjects.

So the question is, are Americans subjects of the US flag, their government, or their president?

The difference is how rich you are.

 

[Captain Caveman]

There is a difference.

Me: "What is the difference between a subject and a citizen?"

AI Overview



The main difference between a subject and a citizen is the relationship between the individual and the government:

• Citizens
  Have rights and obligations, and are members of a political society where the people retain sovereign power. Citizens are the unit of a mass of free people who are equal, with no hereditary rights superior to others.
• Subjects
  Have only rights, and are subordinate to the ruler. Subjects are people who look up to a master.

"The terms "subject" and "citizen" can sometimes mean the same thing, but not always. The use of these terms depends on the historical period and form of government of the society or state. For example, in the United States, the political revolution changed the political character of the people from subjects to citizens. "

Ta, so Americans are subjects of their government then. The Monarchy here is just constitutional, they just rubber stamp what the government wants, and the public throw eggs and purple flour at the MP's.

 

[shockedcanadian]

At one time you were expected to be a subject of a king or queen in the UK, you're allegiance was expected. That disappeared from the 1940's onwards. The only ones that have to do that are the MP's to take their seats in the commons.

But the "subject" was raised about Americans being subjects, I assume to a flag -

What is the difference between a U.S. citizen and a U.S. subject? How does this affect their legal standing as far as rights go?

Answer (1 of 8): Well, not to mince words but the words do bind the subject of those words. So, let’s just take a brief gander at the fork in the road when the concept of a U.S. citizen took an interesting turn: The term “subject” in the first section of the 14th amendment is a verb as opposed t...

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So as Americans still pledge allegiance, they're obviously subjects.

So the question is, are Americans subjects of the US flag, their government, or their president?

 

[JGalt]

Ta, so Americans are subjects of their government then. The Monarchy here is just constitutional, they just rubber stamp what the government wants, and the public throw eggs and purple flour at the MP's.

Sort of. But we're subject to the constitutional republic, not to figureheads of state who have roots in feudalism, like kings, queens, princes, and princesses. The American system of government was founded partially because of the rejection of previous forms of European governments the settlers escaped from, and the constitution was viewed to be the "law of the land."

The US Constitution also gives us the right to dissolve our own government, should it ever come to the point where it sees us as being "subservient subjects." Cool idea in theory if that ever actually came into play. But we've become so fat, lazy, complacent, and dependent on our government to provide for us, and civil wars are icky. So we just put up with being slaves to the government and those unelected bureaucrats who run our lives.

 

[Crepitus]

At one time you were expected to be a subject of a king or queen in the UK, you're allegiance was expected. That disappeared from the 1940's onwards. The only ones that have to do that are the MP's to take their seats in the commons.

But the "subject" was raised about Americans being subjects, I assume to a flag -

What is the difference between a U.S. citizen and a U.S. subject? How does this affect their legal standing as far as rights go?

Answer (1 of 8): Well, not to mince words but the words do bind the subject of those words. So, let’s just take a brief gander at the fork in the road when the concept of a U.S. citizen took an interesting turn: The term “subject” in the first section of the 14th amendment is a verb as opposed t...

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So as Americans still pledge allegiance, they're obviously subjects.

So the question is, are Americans subjects of the US flag, their government, or their president?

You brits are subjects.

We are citizens.

An American subject is something like American History 101, or US Government 102.

 

[daveman]

There is a difference.

Me: "What is the difference between a subject and a citizen?"

AI Overview



The main difference between a subject and a citizen is the relationship between the individual and the government:

• Citizens
  Have rights and obligations, and are members of a political society where the people retain sovereign power. Citizens are the unit of a mass of free people who are equal, with no hereditary rights superior to others.
• Subjects
  Have only rights, and are subordinate to the ruler. Subjects are people who look up to a master.

"The terms "subject" and "citizen" can sometimes mean the same thing, but not always. The use of these terms depends on the historical period and form of government of the society or state. For example, in the United States, the political revolution changed the political character of the people from subjects to citizens. "

Citizens are armed.

Subjects are disarmed.

 

[sparky]

Citizens are armed.

Subjects are disarmed.

ah, you so pluck the strings of my old redneck heart Dave.......~S~

 

[JGalt]

Citizens are armed.

Subjects are disarmed.

Winner! Citizens also have the constitutionally-guaranteed right to use those arms, should the government get too big for its britches. No matter how the statists try to redefine the Second Amendment.

 

[MarathonMike]

At one time you were expected to be a subject of a king or queen in the UK, you're allegiance was expected. That disappeared from the 1940's onwards. The only ones that have to do that are the MP's to take their seats in the commons.

But the "subject" was raised about Americans being subjects, I assume to a flag -

What is the difference between a U.S. citizen and a U.S. subject? How does this affect their legal standing as far as rights go?

Answer (1 of 8): Well, not to mince words but the words do bind the subject of those words. So, let’s just take a brief gander at the fork in the road when the concept of a U.S. citizen took an interesting turn: The term “subject” in the first section of the 14th amendment is a verb as opposed t...

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So as Americans still pledge allegiance, they're obviously subjects.

So the question is, are Americans subjects of the US flag, their government, or their president?

Don't worry about us, your country is f--d up nine ways to Sunday.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Just my two cents but to me, the basic principle at the heart of our people/government relationship is that the government works for the people, not the other way around;

“Government of the people, by the people, for the people.”

 

[Unkotare]

At one time you were expected to be a subject of a king or queen in the UK, you're allegiance was expected. That disappeared from the 1940's onwards. The only ones that have to do that are the MP's to take their seats in the commons.

But the "subject" was raised about Americans being subjects, I assume to a flag -

What is the difference between a U.S. citizen and a U.S. subject? How does this affect their legal standing as far as rights go?

Answer (1 of 8): Well, not to mince words but the words do bind the subject of those words. So, let’s just take a brief gander at the fork in the road when the concept of a U.S. citizen took an interesting turn: The term “subject” in the first section of the 14th amendment is a verb as opposed t...

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So as Americans still pledge allegiance, they're obviously subjects.

So the question is, are Americans subjects of the US flag, their government, or their president?

Americans are citizens, not subjects. "Subject" is for the groveling dogs of the bloodless, flaccid, spineless British Isles.

 

[Captain Caveman]

You brits are subjects.

We are citizens.

An American subject is something like American History 101, or US Government 102.

Take the time to read my opening post and the link, American subject. Do as you are told.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Americans are citizens, not subjects. "Subject" is for the groveling dogs of the bloodless, flaccid, spineless British Isles.

Go to my opening post, apparently it's the opposite!!!

 

[Captain Caveman]

Winner! Citizens also have the constitutionally-guaranteed right to use those arms, should the government get too big for its britches. No matter how the statists try to redefine the Second Amendment.

Nowt to do with guns, it's about pledging allegiance, something the US are passionate about.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Immigrants are made to be American subjects -

Oath of Allegiance (United States) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Wow, just a play on words, you're subjects -

About the Oath of Allegiance Sworn by Prospective US Citizens

The United States Oath of Citizenship must be taken by all immigrants who wish to become naturalized citizens of the United States.

www.thoughtco.com

 

[JGalt]

Nowt to do with guns, it's about pledging allegiance, something the US are passionate about.

Well, the Pledge of Allegiance wasn't a part of our Constitution. It was written but a Yankee veteran of the Civil War as a pledge to the Union flag, when tensions surrounding political loyalties still persisted.

We had our own pledge down south before he wrote it.

Confederate oath of allegiance - Wikipedia

 

[Crepitus]

Take the time to read my opening post and the link, American subject. Do as you are told.

Lol, nope. Barkin' up the wrong tree there bubba.