If Trump had been President he would have been riding herd on getting our people and our equipment out of there before ordering the withdrawal. We left 80 BILLION DOLLARS worth of weaponry and equipment there. That was an absolute disaster and Biden made it happen because he's an idiot.
But Trump was president. He had four years to do it. Listen, ending the war was a good thing. Period. Simple as. If you wanna argue that he did a bad job ending it, fine. But the war ended. That's a good thing.
Are you kidding me?.... 13 Marines died needlessly... and buddy thousands of innocent Afghans died and are still being hunted and killed.... there was nothing good about the way Biden got our troops out leaving billions of dollars in weapons and equipment behind which is now being sold all around the world to kill even more people... Please rethink what you said... just because we left does not mean the war ended...
But Biden was president. You seem to have forgotten that. He didn't have to get out so badly.
More than 13 marines died because we invaded someone's country for no reason. The war is over. Ended. That's good. How it ended sucked. But that's the cost of losing a war.
But at least he did get out.
So badly that 13 Americans got killed, $80 billion dollars of American equipment was left behind, and encouraged Putin to invade Ukraine. But, yeah, at least we did get out. The argument isn't whether we got out or not. The argument is that Biden got out very badly when it didn't have to be that way.
We invaded a nation who was harboring and protecting the master mind of 9-11.... should we have left after we got Laden?... yes I believe we should have and this is why I turned away from Bush....
Well, Trump had four years to leave. Obama had eight. Neither of them did. Whine all you want about how he did it, but he did it.
Lay off the crack pipe. Osama wasn't found in Afghanistan, and there's little evidence to suggest he ever was there.
Okay dick if you want to get insulting so will I... Obama was in Afghanistan the Taliban never stated he wasn't even as bombs were dropping on them... Trump was bringing troops home in a sane way by rotating troops out and not replacing them... he did this as conditions on the ground made it possible...
Tell that to all the Israelis who died because the radical Muslims got billions in high tech American weapons, ammunition, helicopters, etc.
There was barely any violence in Afghanistan during Trump, we had a few thousand troops as a stabilizing force. Trump had reduced the number over time, but Biden came in and completely botched the process. It was a dismal failure and did way more harm than good.
The public had no idea what was happening in Afghanistan so you can stop with the pretense, "the public wanted."
The U.S. War in Afghanistan Twenty Years On: Public Opinion Then and Now
Two decades after the start of Operation Enduring Freedom, Americans view the war very differently.www.cfr.org
"Americans got the long war they expected. So what do they think about it in retrospect? A once popular war became anything but. An August poll by AP/NORC on August 16 found that 62 percent of Americans thought the war in Afghanistan wasn’t worth fighting. Both Republicans (57 percent) and Democrats (67 percent) shared this view. In addition, a NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll found that 71 percent of American adults thought the war was a failure. Similarly, a poll from Pew in late August found that 69 percent of Americans didn’t think the United States achieved its goals in Afghanistan.
Although the public broadly supported President Joe Biden’s decision to withdraw all troops, they didn’t support the way it happened. A Washington Post/ABC News poll released last month found that among those who approved of the withdrawal, just 26 percent also approved of how it was done; 52 percent disapproved."
And keep in mind, this is published by CFR, a notorious pro-war neo-con think tank. Even war hawks admit that the public wanted an end to the war. People wanted out. Sure, the details weren't to their liking. But we got out. No more money will be wasted on that war, and no more lives lost.
The things Biden did didn't materialise into any accomplishment that could be construed as suitable for a legacy. So probably his only accomplishment was giving Trump his second term, so I would have to go with that. In effect, Trump determined Biden's legacy.
Iran has little to do with Afghanistan, and as a rule, the two don't particularly even like each other.
Between my link that says the war was unpopular with the public, and you just saying that it was popular...it's not a difficult choice. The whole point is that if CFR, a neo-con (basically war hawk) think tank, was forced to admit that the war was unpopular, then the war must have been really god damn unpopular. How many people did you know personally who wanted to keep that war going?
