What Is The Biden Legacy?

[ZestolPastilevsky]

I saw democrats scrambling to blame TRUMP! for the withdrawal, claiming it was his plan and Quid Pro Joe was just carrying it out. Opposed to that, QPJ was given a plan in progress, and he had the ability to influence it if he thought it was either going badly or would end badly.

Well, whatever the case, the war is over.

 

[BlackSand]

It was a bad withdrawal, but...it was better than no withdrawal.

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Yeah ... It was bad enough that President Trump indicated he would ask for the resignation of the commanders involved.

Add the idea that incoming Secretary of Defense (pending approval) is talking about a Warriors Board ...
Comprised of Senior Retired Military ... That will review all Flag Officers for "Fitness of Command".

When Lloyd Austin took over ... His first directive as the Secretary of Defense was to address Extremism in the Military ...
Possible Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth is a Combat Veteran, with citations ... And is looking to Clean House.

"There's those with Stars ... And those with Scars"

I think President Trump is picking Pete Hegseth because he got out as a Major.
To get anywhere higher than that ... Especially as a Flag Officer ... You have to buy into the Politics of it all.
Pete still thinks ... Unit Readiness, Lethality and Operational Success are what you need to win a War

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[ZestolPastilevsky]

The American people?

The American people did not demand that we retreat.

The Anerican people did not demand that while retreating we do not defend our Marines, allowing 13 Marines to die.

The American people did not demand that we leave behind billions in weapons

The American People did not demand we leave behind in intact modern Air Force base for our enemies to use.

The American people?

The U.S. War in Afghanistan Twenty Years On: Public Opinion Then and Now

Two decades after the start of Operation Enduring Freedom, Americans view the war very differently.

www.cfr.org

"Americans got the long war they expected. So what do they think about it in retrospect? A once popular war became anything but. An August poll by AP/NORC on August 16 found that 62 percent of Americans thought the war in Afghanistan wasn’t worth fighting. Both Republicans (57 percent) and Democrats (67 percent) shared this view. In addition, a NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll found that 71 percent of American adults thought the war was a failure. Similarly, a poll from Pew in late August found that 69 percent of Americans didn’t think the United States achieved its goals in Afghanistan.

Although the public broadly supported President Joe Biden’s decision to withdraw all troops, they didn’t support the way it happened. A Washington Post/ABC News poll released last month found that among those who approved of the withdrawal, just 26 percent also approved of how it was done; 52 percent disapproved."

And keep in mind, this is published by CFR, a notorious pro-war neo-con think tank. Even war hawks admit that the public wanted an end to the war. People wanted out. Sure, the details weren't to their liking. But we got out. No more money will be wasted on that war, and no more lives lost.

 

[Independent thinker]

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Metaphorically ... I think this covers it ...



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I don't know. I kind of like the sand videos.

 

[Independent thinker]

Worst POTUS ever.

I don't know. I think Jimmy Carter has him beat by a nose.

 

[Independent thinker]

Well, whatever the case, the war is over.

Is it? First, getting out of Afghanistan so badly encouraged Putin to invade Ukraine, and that war is still going on. Second, Afghanistan may become a hotbed of terrorism again against the US.

 

[hadit]

The U.S. War in Afghanistan Twenty Years On: Public Opinion Then and Now

Two decades after the start of Operation Enduring Freedom, Americans view the war very differently.

www.cfr.org

"Americans got the long war they expected. So what do they think about it in retrospect? A once popular war became anything but. An August poll by AP/NORC on August 16 found that 62 percent of Americans thought the war in Afghanistan wasn’t worth fighting. Both Republicans (57 percent) and Democrats (67 percent) shared this view. In addition, a NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll found that 71 percent of American adults thought the war was a failure. Similarly, a poll from Pew in late August found that 69 percent of Americans didn’t think the United States achieved its goals in Afghanistan.

Although the public broadly supported President Joe Biden’s decision to withdraw all troops, they didn’t support the way it happened. A Washington Post/ABC News poll released last month found that among those who approved of the withdrawal, just 26 percent also approved of how it was done; 52 percent disapproved."

And keep in mind, this is published by CFR, a notorious pro-war neo-con think tank. Even war hawks admit that the public wanted an end to the war. People wanted out. Sure, the details weren't to their liking. But we got out. No more money will be wasted on that war, and no more lives lost.

Democrats were scrambling to remind everyone that the plan and the decision to leave was TRUMP!'s.

 

[ZestolPastilevsky]

Is it? First, getting out of Afghanistan so badly encouraged Putin to invade Ukraine, and that war is still going on. Second, Afghanistan may become a hotbed of terrorism again against the US.

There's no evidence that Putin invaded Ukraine because of that. Hell, it doesn't even make sense since troops in Afghanistan became freed up and could be redeployed. Not that it makes a difference to a nuclear power. Besides, I didn't realize Ukraine was suddenly our 51st state. The notion that Afghanistan is a hotbed for terrorism is a line that goes way back to the start of the war when it was Osama Bin Laden and the Afghans who carried out 9/11. Just kidding. Osama was a Saudi, and there's scant evidence he was even in Afghanistan to begin with. We launched a largely unprovoked war of aggression against Afghanistan because people believed lies cooked up by, "military advisers."

Edit: I'm not sure any Afghan citizens were even involved in the hijackings.

 

[ZestolPastilevsky]

Democrats were scrambling to remind everyone that the plan and the decision to leave was TRUMP!'s.

Because their party has become increasingly warlike over the past decade. God forbid they be associated with peace.

 

[Independent thinker]

There's no evidence that Putin invaded Ukraine because of that. Hell, it doesn't even make sense since troops in Afghanistan became freed up and could be redeployed. Not that it makes a difference to a nuclear power. Besides, I didn't realize Ukraine was suddenly our 51st state. The notion that Afghanistan is a hotbed for terrorism is a line that goes way back to the start of the war when it was Osama Bin Laden and the Afghans who carried out 9/11. Just kidding. Osama was a Saudi, and there's scant evidence he was even in Afghanistan to begin with. We launched a largely unprovoked war of aggression against Afghanistan because people believed lies cooked up by, "military advisers."

Edit: I'm not sure any Afghan citizens were even involved in the hijackings.

It is obvious to everyone, evidence or no. What do you want, a signed, notorized note from Putin?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

A few months ago Democrats forced Biden down the gangplank and promised him that if he just resigned on his own accord his legacy would be saved and that it would also include many praises of him for being an American Patriot and putting country before party. Now that the election is over and Harris got thumped, losing not only the presidency but the House and Senate as well, Democrats have thrown Biden under the bus. It's all his fault for the heavy losses and Democrats are making sure that that will be the Biden legacy. So their promises of a great Biden legacy and being a great American patriot who put country before party have been retracted.

An unadulterated disaster

 

[MarathonMike]

Is it? First, getting out of Afghanistan so badly encouraged Putin to invade Ukraine, and that war is still going on. Second, Afghanistan may become a hotbed of terrorism again against the US.

Biden's bungling of the Afghanistan withdrawal turned the Taliban from a Terrorist Group into the ruling Party. They are partnering with other Terrorist groups and growing more powerful by the day.

 

[martybegan]

We can add the "stand in the middle of the road and get hit by traffic going both ways" approach to the Israel war with Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran.

They tried to appease the Hamas loving part of their base, while not pissing off the Israel support side, and ended up pissing off both.

That, and they hamstrung Israel just enough that this is still going on.

 

[ZestolPastilevsky]

It is obvious to everyone, evidence or no. What do you want, a signed, notorized note from Putin?

Very funny. Evidence. In any case, I don't care what Putin does with Ukraine. NMFP. And it's certainly not an argument for continuing the fruitless war against Afghanistan.

 

[Independent thinker]

Very funny. Evidence. In any case, I don't care what Putin does with Ukraine. NMFP. And it's certainly not an argument for continuing the fruitless war against Afghanistan.

Well, if we hadn't gotten out of Afghanistan so badly, signaling Putin we wouldn't do anything if he invaded Ukraine, we wouldn't be dealing with the issue now.

 

[ZestolPastilevsky]

Well, if we hadn't gotten out of Afghanistan so badly, signaling Putin we wouldn't do anything if he invaded Ukraine, we wouldn't be dealing with the issue now.

How exactly do you connect withdrawing from Afghanistan to, "signaling we'll do nothing when Putin invades a country on the other side of the planet that we have no obligations to or connection with"? The only reason we're dealing with the issue now is because of neo-cons who look for any and every excuse to rattle sabers and hike up defense spending.

 

[MarathonMike]

Top military advisors are agents of the MICC which literally profits from forever wars. It's a good thing he didn't listen. Furthermore, the American people overwhelmingly wanted an end to that war. I think listening to the public is more important than a few defense contractors and and war-hawks.

It would have taken no more than a peace keeping force of 3000 soldiers to maintain order until we were READY to withdraw. It was complete arrogance and stupidity by Biden to pull the trigger on that withdrawal that resulted in 13 Marine deaths and the deaths of hundreds of Afghani translators who risked their lives to help us.

 

[1srelluc]

I don't know. I think Jimmy Carter has him beat by a nose.

Carter gets points from me for being a decent man....FJB, not so much.

 

[ZestolPastilevsky]

It would have taken no more than a peace keeping force of 3000 soldiers to maintain order until we were READY to withdraw. It was complete arrogance and stupidity by Biden to pull the trigger on that withdrawal that resulted in 13 Marine deaths and the deaths of hundreds of Afghani translators who risked their lives to help us.

Ready to withdraw? The MICC was never going to be ready to withdraw. That's the thing about forever wars.

 

[Independent thinker]

How exactly do you connect withdrawing from Afghanistan to, "signaling we'll do nothing when Putin invades a country on the other side of the planet that we have no obligations to or connection with"? The only reason we're dealing with the issue now is because of neo-cons who look for any and every excuse to rattle sabers and hike up defense spending.

It's obvious to everyone but the deniers.