What is the alternative to ICE?

[Votto]

I’m sorry but this has gotten out of hand
Trump ran on fighting illegal immigration but now the public is seeing what this entails and are appalled

Really?

Was illegal immigration ever out of hand as well?

Hmm?

 

[toomuchtime_]

I’m sorry but this has gotten out of hand
Trump ran on fighting illegal immigration but now the public is seeing what this entails and are appalled

ICE has not gotten out of hand. ICE has been doing a very professional job of arresting and detaining illegal immigrants with very little violence. All of the chaos and violence has come from Frey and Walz and others in the government who have incited their followers to attack ICE.

 

[rightwinger]

ICE has not gotten out of hand. ICE has been doing a very professional job of arresting and detaining illegal immigrants with very little violence. All of the chaos and violence has come from Frey and Walz and others in the government who have incited their followers to attack ICE.

In confrontation after confrontation it is obvious that ICE is poorly trained in dealing with the public
They overuse pepper spray in retaliation and to punish rather than to control a situation.

ICE Tactics are not working

 

[rightwinger]

Really?

Was illegal immigration ever out of hand as well?

Hmm?

Trump said he was going after dangerous criminals
What we see is roundups of large groups of people hoping you find an illegal
ICE is not held to a standard of behavior and ICE management immediately attack the victims to cover ICE behavior

 

[Hafar1014]

This is what is called a false dichotomy.

Immigration law enforcement will always be a part of any serious attempt to do immigration reform. Call it ICE or any other acronym.

Key words being "part", and "serious"

Framing the question as a choice between how ICE operates now or having no ICE at all, poisons any good faith discussion before it starts.

ICE existed before Trump. The only thing he did was change how many of the there are and what they are allowed to do, and I challenge you to justify either of those changes.

Nevertheless I will engage the totality of immigration reform.

Starting with this.

The collapse of bipartisan immigration reform: A guide for the perplexed | Brookings

Brookings Senior Fellow William Galston explains why Republicans failed to support the bipartisan immigration bill.

www.brookings.edu

This would have been an alternative.

A bill that would include a bigger ICE, more immigration judges and lots of other things. This in a law with bipartisan support.

Instead we are here. A government agency conducting itself with little oversight and more as a tool to inflict pain on illegal immigrants, legal immigrants and US citizens alike with brutality and little in the form of oversight, accountability or the possibility the redress of any potential abuses. Including being shot.

So my question is. Why do you think there are no alternatives to this form of ICE?

We can answer the question, Without ICE
Democrats will continue to invite millions of illegals into their states to offset population lost in the next census
Tens of thousands of criminals will come in
America will lose billions
Americans will be killed raped molested in large numbers.
Democrats will refuse to prosecute allowing violent illegals to be free on the streets.
Illegals will vote in local elections.
Democrats will bribe them with social service fraud and take kickbacks.
Democrats will turn America into a third world country

 

[toomuchtime_]

In confrontation after confrontation it is obvious that ICE is poorly trained in dealing with the public
They overuse pepper spray in retaliation and to punish rather than to control a situation.

ICE Tactics are not working

It is clear that ICE agents are well trained to do their job of serving federal warrants, locating the people named in the warrants, detaining them and transporting them for deportation, and they have conducted themselves very professionally in these duties. What they have not been trained to do is handle an insurrection led by the Governor and the Mayor of Minneapolis.

There has been very little violence involved in ICE making arrests. All the violence and chaos is coming from mobs who have been incited by Walz and Frey to attack federal agents.

 

[Nostra]

Many hate ICE trying to enforce immigration laws

But what is the alternative? Is the alternative to go back to the Joe Biden era of limitless and unfettered immigration, as sanctuary cities catch and release illegal immigrants who have broken the law time and time and time again only the end up murdering or raping someone time and time again? Or was it Ok just to let as many foreigners come across the border that wanted to come as the US took on the responsibility of feeding and sheltering them all?

No one likes the police when they disagree with a law they try to enforce, or disagree with it being applied to them incorrectly, but what is the alternative? Is the alternative to have no laws, or try to pick and choose laws to enforce that only you like and agree with?

The alternative is no borders. That means no America.

The Murder Cult hates America and is actively and violently fighting to end it.


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[Nostra]

Personally I do not care if my neighbor has the correct paperwork.
I only care if he is a good neighbor.

I do not want ICE invading my neighborhood

Must be why you fight to have child rapists as your neighbor.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

An alternative is

Make ICE wear body cameras
Prohibit the wearing of masks
Properly train agents on procedures for engaging the public and use of force
Make their priority capturing known criminals not rounding up peaceful migrants
Make them obtain judicial warrants

In other words, make it absolutely as hard as possible to enforce our immigration laws.

 

[rightwinger]

In other words, make it absolutely as hard as possible to enforce our immigration laws.

How does being open, videoing encounters, following laws, avoiding escalation make it impossible to enforce laws?

Òther police do it

 

[rightwinger]

Must be why you fight to have child rapists as your neighbor.

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