What is the alternative to ICE?

[forkup]

Many hate ICE trying to enforce immigration laws

But what is the alternative? Is the alternative to go back to the Joe Biden era of limitless and unfettered immigration, as sanctuary cities catch and release illegal immigrants who have broken the law time and time and time again only the end up murdering or raping someone time and time again? Or was it Ok just to let as many foreigners come across the border that wanted to come as the US took on the responsibility of feeding and sheltering them all?

No one likes the police when they disagree with a law they try to enforce, or disagree with it being applied to them incorrectly, but what is the alternative? Is the alternative to have no laws, or try to pick and choose laws to enforce that only you like and agree with?

This is what is called a false dichotomy.

Immigration law enforcement will always be a part of any serious attempt to do immigration reform. Call it ICE or any other acronym.

Key words being "part", and "serious"

Framing the question as a choice between how ICE operates now or having no ICE at all, poisons any good faith discussion before it starts.

ICE existed before Trump. The only thing he did was change how many of the there are and what they are allowed to do, and I challenge you to justify either of those changes.

Nevertheless I will engage the totality of immigration reform.

Starting with this.

The collapse of bipartisan immigration reform: A guide for the perplexed | Brookings

Brookings Senior Fellow William Galston explains why Republicans failed to support the bipartisan immigration bill.

www.brookings.edu

This would have been an alternative.

A bill that would include a bigger ICE, more immigration judges and lots of other things. This in a law with bipartisan support.

Instead we are here. A government agency conducting itself with little oversight and more as a tool to inflict pain on illegal immigrants, legal immigrants and US citizens alike with brutality and little in the form of oversight, accountability or the possibility the redress of any potential abuses. Including being shot.

So my question is. Why do you think there are no alternatives to this form of ICE?

 

[rightwinger]

Trump's inaction is pissing me off.... stop threatening and do something....

The situation with ICE is out of control
Trump needs to calm things down.
He needs to allow an independent evaluation of these killings and have a thorough review of ICE mission, priorities and tactics

Even his own party is voicing concerns over ICE

 

[Care4all]

Would you agree that local LE should be required to turn over illegals convicted of crime to ICE?

You got a fake issue Kitty, that's propaganda being pushed by the Steven Miller-ites. Every State holds the illegal aliens for ICE to pick them up, until the legal time that they can hold them. ICE failing to pick them up before the State prisons legally have to release them, is the PROBLEM OF ICE being lazy or slow, with the tens of thousands of them hired are too busy (killing citizens) to actually pick up, the prisoners being held at their request in local and state prisons... before by State law, they have to be released....

 

[Mac-7]

This is what is called a false dichotomy.

Immigration law enforcement will always be a part of any serious attempt to do immigration reform. Call it ICE or any other acronym.

Key words being "part", and "serious"

Framing the question as a choice between how ICE operates now or having no ICE at all, poisons any good faith discussion before it starts.

ICE existed before Trump. The only thing he did was change how many of the there are and what they are allowed to do, and I challenge you to justify either of those changes.

Nevertheless I will engage the totality of immigration reform.

Starting with this.

The collapse of bipartisan immigration reform: A guide for the perplexed | Brookings

Brookings Senior Fellow William Galston explains why Republicans failed to support the bipartisan immigration bill.

www.brookings.edu

This would have been an alternative.

A bill that would include a bigger ICE, more immigration judges and lots of other things. This in a law with bipartisan support.

Instead we are here. A government agency conducting itself with little oversight and more as a tool to inflict pain on illegal immigrants, legal immigrants and US citizens alike with brutality and little in the form of oversight, accountability or the possibility the redress of any potential abuses. Including bring shot.

So my question is. Why do you think there are no alternatives to this form of ICE?

There is no alternative to immigration enforcement

Brookings wants a new amnesty bill and a pathway to citizenship for 10’s of millions and that is unacceptable

 

[Rogue AI]

Local law enforcement doing the 'protect and serve' the public and not the liberal agenda is a start. Federal agents aren't traffic cops or crowd control. This falls 100% on failed sanctuary policies. You see nothing like this where the feds and locals work together.

 

[forkup]

There is no alternative to immigration enforcement

Brookings wants a new amnesty bill and a pathway to citizenship for 10’s of millions and that is unacceptable

Enforcement will always play a part.

And saying stuff is unacceptable simply betrays your policy preferences, not an actual lack of alternatives.

You can have sensible enforcement, humanity to those that are seeking a better life, AND secure borders.

The problem is that you want only one of those, and care nothing about the other two.

 

[Darkwind]

Prohibit the wearing of masks

Make it a death penalty crime to dox any law enforcement and place their families in jeopardy.

 

[OldFlame]

Many hate ICE trying to enforce immigration laws

But what is the alternative? Is the alternative to go back to the Joe Biden era of limitless and unfettered immigration, as sanctuary cities catch and release illegal immigrants who have broken the law time and time and time again only the end up murdering or raping someone time and time again? Or was it Ok just to let as many foreigners come across the border that wanted to come as the US took on the responsibility of feeding and sheltering them all?

No one likes the police when they disagree with a law they try to enforce, or disagree with it being applied to them incorrectly, but what is the alternative? Is the alternative to have no laws, or try to pick and choose laws to enforce that only you like and agree with?

I think all federal operations of any kind should be withdrawn from those states that don't want any federal law enforcement, any federal buildings, any federal employees, any operations, and any federal money should be cut off as well. If they don't want any federal interaction at all, that's their choice, then they get zero federal dollars for anything. Sounds like a win-win for all, they get to financially support your own choices without the rest of us, and their citizens get to be victims of the crimes that they support happening to them. They can keep installing/voting for the judges that will let them off time after time, basically they can let where they live turn into a hell hole. Well, really they already are hell holes, they'll just sink deeper into dystopia, but apparently that's what they want so why not let them have it?

 

[dudmuck]

The only way to end this is for the great mass of Americans to rise up and directly engage the left. Have militias directly protect ICE in their work.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

There’s no need for any alternative to ICE. Democrats are the problem exclusively.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

An alternative is

Make ICE wear body cameras
Prohibit the wearing of masks
Properly train agents on procedures for engaging the public and use of force
Make their priority capturing known criminals not rounding up peaceful migrants
Make them obtain judicial warrants

I noticed you left out doing away with Democrats' sanctuary policies which made all of this necessary in the first place.

 

[Darkwind]

ICE existed before Trump. The only thing he did was change how many of the there are and what they are allowed to do, and I challenge you to justify either of those changes.

The last administration allowed 10 million+ illegals unfettered access to the country.

That MORE than justifies the increase in agents and the fact you had to lie about what they are allowed to do says you have no good faith desire for a discussion.

They are not doing anything different than they were 10 years ago.

 

[rightwinger]

I noticed you left out doing away with Democrats' sanctuary policies which made all of this necessary in the first place.

I am sorry, but it has become clear that sanctuary cities are right about ICE

ICE is not qualified to perform their mission
They have lost the faith of the people.

I don’t know of any city saying…..Oh boy! ICE Is here

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

I am sorry, but it has become clear that sanctuary cities are right about ICE

ICE is not qualified to perform their mission
They have lost the faith of the people.

I don’t know of any city saying…..Oh boy! ICE Is here

The only difference between you and MAGA is the side of the coin you're on. You all operate as programmed.

 

[Darkwind]

You got a fake issue Kitty, that's propaganda being pushed by the Steven Miller-ites. Every State holds the illegal aliens for ICE to pick them up, until the legal time that they can hold them. ICE failing to pick them up before the State prisons legally have to release them, is the PROBLEM OF ICE being lazy or slow, with the tens of thousands of them hired are too busy (killing citizens) to actually pick up, the prisoners being held at their request in local and state prisons... before by State law, they have to be released....

Wow, pure propaganda.

 

[OldFlame]

The situation with ICE is out of control
Trump needs to calm things down.
He needs to allow an independent evaluation of these killings and have a thorough review of ICE mission, priorities and tactics

Even his own party is voicing concerns over ICE

The situation was intentionally allowed to 'get out of control' by the dumbo party that allowed millions into the country illegally.

Why didn't Obama, who deported more, need to allow thing to 'calm'? Was it because there weren't any 'protests' then?

 

[rightwinger]

The only difference between you and MAGA is the side of the coin you're on. You all operate as programmed.

I’m sorry but this has gotten out of hand
Trump ran on fighting illegal immigration but now the public is seeing what this entails and are appalled

 

[Eman623]

Hate to say it but Sanctuary Cities are right about ICE

ICE is not there to “help you”
They are there to terrorize your population

The media has brainwashed you. ICE is not there to terrorize you. They are there to deport illegals.

 

[ColonelAngus]

The Left never comes up with viable alternatives, do they.

The only thing they do is shout that those who do offer alternatives, are vilified as Nazis.

Then they wash their hands of any wrong doing when some loon writes "fascist" on a bullet casing as they try to shoot ICE officers or anyone they consider to be a fascist.

The new one I love is that anyone from the left who is caught doing something bad IS ACTUALLY A MAGA POSING AS A LEFTY.

These fuckers are shameless.

 

[rightwinger]

The media has brainwashed you. ICE is not there to terrorize you. They are there to deport illegals.

That is the way it should be

ICE has lost its way