What is Marine Le Pen guilty of in National Rally embezzlement case?

[Tommy Tainant]

What is Marine Le Pen guilty of in National Rally embezzlement case?

The far-right leader has been banned from running for office for five years after an EU parliament fake jobs scam

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The judges cited a 2014 email from one member of the European parliament, who had previously been a lawyer, to the party treasurer: “What Marine is asking is equivalent to us signing for fictitious jobs …”

Sometimes guilty people are guilty.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Sometimes guilty people are guilty.

TRANSLATION: "No way can the voters be trusted with this one"

 

[Tommy Tainant]

TRANSLATION: "No way can the voters be trusted with this one"

So standing for office gives you immunity ? Grow up kid.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

So standing for office gives you immunity ?

Quite the opposite in europe it would seem tommy.

 

[CowboyTed]

TRANSLATION: "No way can the voters be trusted with this one"

Read the French Constitution (or the American one), the Judiciary decide Justice not the Electorate....

Please stop wiping your ass with the constitution...

This is fundamental to justice. Dispensing justice is not mob rule...

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Read the French Constitution (or the American one), the Judiciary decide Justice not the Electorate....

and as per the usual, white liberals think that means the judiciary decides elections as that is the accusation here

Please stop wiping your ass with the constitution...

just go clean yourself off

This is fundamental to justice.

unlike your comprehension which seems to be optional.

Dispensing justice is not mob rule...

no it's just how elections are determined on the left as they felt the voters were not getting this one right

 

[CowboyTed]

and as per the usual, white liberals think that means the judiciary decides elections as that is the accusation here

You were the one that wanted a crime to be ignored because she could be elected President...

That is not what the constitution says... That is very clear es[ecially in France.

just go clean yourself off

as comprehension seems to be optional.

it's just how elections are determined on the left as they felt the voters were not getting this one right

It is not the voters choice on if the law is broken or not... That just leads to mob justice and trail by media but most importantly it is not the law.

The Voters can select representives who can change the law but it is the Judiciary who uphold it...

This is simple stuff which I am afraid you have been brainwashed out of... This is why we have juries that listen to cases and don't vote like on a TV Show...

Simply, the electorate didn't listen to the whole case, they weren't in the court everyday. What they here is from the media companies who slant the case by their agenda...

 

[luiza]

She is guilty of upsetting Deep State .
It's concocted garbage, just as it also is in Romania right now .
Democracy is a wonky idea that hasn't been practised for a long time anywhere , and still the Sheeple do not understand how the world works today .
Although some would argue that it has always worked dishonestly .
The only difference being that the cheating is harder to disguise now .
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[Frankeneinstein]

You were the one that wanted a crime to be ignored because she could be elected President...

I'm a democrat ted, not a white liberal.

That is not what the constitution says... That is very clear es[ecially in France.
It is not the voters choice on if the law is broken or not... That just leads to mob justice and trail by media but most importantly it is not the law.

The Voters can select representives who can change the law but it is the Judiciary who uphold it...

unless of course, as in this case, the judiciary/left says they/voters cannot select a particular representative that just may change the law

This is simple stuff which I am afraid you have been brainwashed out of... This is why we have juries that listen to cases and don't vote like on a TV Show...

geez

Simply, the electorate didn't listen to the whole case, they weren't in the court everyday. What they here is from the media companies who slant the case by their agenda...

So they do not get to vote for their candidate now that the elite have spoken

 

[CowboyTed]

I'm a democrat ted, not a white liberal.



unless of course, as in this case, the judiciary/left says they/voters cannot select a particular representative that just may change the law

But the broke the law....

And in say Trump's case when did they change the law saying you can pressurise election officials or take government property when you finish office...

And even if legalised now, they would have to make the law retroactive as well....

But in France it is written into the constitution (which can only be changed by the people through a referendum) if you are guilty of embezzlement while doing you government job(don't have the exact wording) you are barred from running for office for 5 years.

That is what their constitution, if you are found guilty you are immediately thrown out of office and banned from running for any office for 5 years.

Top French court rules political bans are legal, delivering blow to Le Pen

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geez

So they do not get to vote for their candidate now that the elite have spoken

What elites... They can put up an uncorrupt politician...

No one force Le Pen to embezzle the money... She did that herself... The evidence is clear as day, we have asked multiple times do es anyone here refute the charges and could you do it with evidence...

We have had nothing back... BTW that was Le Pen's defence too...

It is always depressing to find out the politician that you backed is corrupt, but that happens..

 

[CowboyTed]

She is guilty of upsetting Deep State .
It's concocted garbage, just as it also is in Romania right now .
Democracy is a wonky idea that hasn't been practised for a long time anywhere , and still the Sheeple do not understand how the world works today .
Although some would argue that it has always worked dishonestly .
The only difference being that the cheating is harder to disguise now .
.

Any evidence of that....

They had forensic evidence of her directing the embezzlement...

I understand that you are upset that your favoured politician is corrupt, but that happens...

So do you any actual evidence or are you still going by the 'if I wish it hard enough it must be true' defence...

 

[80zephyr]

I have broken the law. You have broken the law. Look hard enough, and every one of us has broken the law. The litmus test is this, if she were a "private" citizen would she be facing these charges?

 

[CowboyTed]

I have broken the law. You have broken the law. Look hard enough, and every one of us has broken the law. The litmus test is this, if she were a "private" citizen would she be facing these charges?

So you are trying to go with the we are all guilty defence. Nope... France put the former Prime Minster(Centre Leaning) in jail for corruption, so they don't mess around... This is not selective.
We are talking about over 4 million euros... That is big money in the very restrictive campaigning finance laws of Europe...

If she was a private citizen she wouldn't have been in a position to do this...

The emails clearly showing her direct embezzlement... The prosecution clearly showed that they knew what they were doing was wrong (because they were hiding it) and it went on for years...

Using these American arguments are funny... EU has very strict campaign financing laws... It is how they keep things fair... We don't allow lobbying and campaign financing like in US, it is considered very undemocratic (you work for the people not the lobbyist)...

US have got themselves into the idea that richest man in US giving a quarter of a billion to the President is normal... Everywhere else that is bribery, extreme bribery... It is not normal...

 

[luiza]

Any evidence of that....

They had forensic evidence of her directing the embezzlement...

I understand that you are upset that your favoured politician is corrupt, but that happens...

So do you any actual evidence or are you still going by the 'if I wish it hard enough it must be true' defence...

I gather that it is not a Criminal charge ,which leads me to believe that her Sentence may be quashed , or at least lightened on appeal .

Deep State have no great private interest in criminality as it part of their lifestyle --- so the only matter of importance for them is to keep her from standing for election . By any means .

I would accept nearly anybody in preference to Deep State filth like Macron, or , here in the Happy Land , our own Sir Queer Harmer , the closet gay and fraudster .

 

[80zephyr]

So you are trying to go with the we are all guilty defence. Nope... France put the former Prime Minster(Centre Leaning) in jail for corruption, so they don't mess around... This is not selective.
We are talking about over 4 million euros... That is big money in the very restrictive campaigning finance laws of Europe...

If she was a private citizen she wouldn't have been in a position to do this...

The emails clearly showing her direct embezzlement... The prosecution clearly showed that they knew what they were doing was wrong (because they were hiding it) and it went on for years...

Using these American arguments are funny... EU has very strict campaign financing laws... It is how they keep things fair... We don't allow lobbying and campaign financing like in US, it is considered very undemocratic (you work for the people not the lobbyist)...

US have got themselves into the idea that richest man in US giving a quarter of a billion to the President is normal... Everywhere else that is bribery, extreme bribery... It is not normal...

Hopefully someday the shoe will be on the other foot. Then we'll see how you feel.

 

[CowboyTed]

I gather that it is not a Criminal charge ,which leads me to believe that her Sentence may be quashed , or at least lightened on appeal .

It's a criminal conviction... She get electronic monitoring as well as a suspended sentence..

It is unlikely to be lightened... She isn't admitting to the crime and we can see no new evidence...

Deep State have no great private interest in criminality as it part of their lifestyle --- so the only matter of importance for them is to keep her from standing for election . By any means .

I don't think you get how EU judiciary work, they are stance independent and just as happy screwing over the government.

The prosecutions are pretty conservative and bring cases which they are very sure of conviction.

The whole 'Lawfare' thing is just stupid.. These are not elected in the same way...

The whole 'Deep State' thing in Europe is just laughable, nobody can keep a secret in the country or Europe in general..

Just look at GDPR laws... Europe is very much geared to the rights of the EU Citizen as posed to Government or Corporations... That is blatant opposite of Deep State..

I would accept nearly anybody in preference to Deep State filth like Macron, or , here in the Happy Land , our own Sir Queer Harmer , the closet gay and fraudster .

Now you are just wandering off the deep end...

EU Law is very EU Citizen focused... Look at France, there is a court above their Supreme Court in Europe that has over ruled their SC at times... How is that Deep State...

Any individual at anytime walk into any organisation and ask for:

• All information they have on them on file or computer (Subject Access Request)
• Delete all information about you (within reason) from their computers (Right to be forgotten)

You talk deep state but the facts are it is bullshit... But lets play along

• How many people work in the deep state in france
• How are they paid
• Who is in charge
• With so many working for them how have we not been told about them
  • Employment Disputes
  • Divorces
  • other legal disputes
• How much does it pay and how do you get promoted

 

[Frankeneinstein]

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[Ringo]

 

[CowboyTed]

Yes... And what's your point....

It is a well paid job... You are a very senior politician...

It compares about the same as a US Congressman...

So what is your point....

 

[CowboyTed]

TRANSLATION: "the judiciary/left wing elitists have every right to override and or pre-empt the will of the electorate"

Nope...

Judiciary had to judicature on a crime... They had a case and she was found guilty...

Under French Constitutional law she is fired immediately from public office and is banned from running for office for the next 5 years...

Got that, French Constitution....

And yes, in adducting a crime, that is the judiciary job... That is also written in the French Constitution (also in US Constitution.)