What is lifting Trumps eo on Iran accomplish

The Iranian economy was improving and the populace was happy.
Why should we want the Irainian economy to improve?

thats the stupid policy we adopted to deal with red china for 50 years and it clearly backfired on us
Of course, we want their economy to improve as long as the agreement is in effect. If they see good things happening, then maybe they would be open to negotiation as the agreement lapses and they find that we can be talked to. And then there is the Trump attitude, which gets us nowhere. The agreement was a start and something to build on.
Right after they stop funding terrorist groups.


This ain't rocket science, folks. Pretty simple.
If you are not in the game, you can't get a hit. Theodore Roosevelt once said: "Speak softly and carry a big stick". Our big stick is the agreement that Iran's
citizens love because their lives had improved dramatically due to the agreement.
Now we have nothing, not even a twig. Not rocket science, folks. Pretty simple, yes?
If you don't have anything in there to stop funding terrorist groups then you don't have anything at all. Anything. That instability shows up in multiple countries. That isn't good or sound foreign policy. Under Obama NO attempt was made to even secure that. At. All.

The EU, Russia and China continued to do business with Iran as well as other third world countries.
 
.... You'd be at war with Iran right now if not for the sanity and forebearance of the Ayatollahs. ......

:lmao:

You mean if not for the fact that we would utterly annihilate that entire country if we decided to, and the theocratic sand fleas who have been holding the people of Iran hostage for so long damn well know it.
Yeah. I'm not buying that load of bullshit.
 
The Iranian economy was improving and the populace was happy.
Why should we want the Irainian economy to improve?

thats the stupid policy we adopted to deal with red china for 50 years and it clearly backfired on us
Of course, we want their economy to improve as long as the agreement is in effect. If they see good things happening, then maybe they would be open to negotiation as the agreement lapses and they find that we can be talked to. And then there is the Trump attitude, which gets us nowhere. The agreement was a start and something to build on.
Right after they stop funding terrorist groups.


This ain't rocket science, folks. Pretty simple.
If you are not in the game, you can't get a hit. Theodore Roosevelt once said: "Speak softly and carry a big stick". Our big stick is the agreement that Iran's
citizens love because their lives had improved dramatically due to the agreement.
Now we have nothing, not even a twig. Not rocket science, folks. Pretty simple, yes?
If you don't have anything in there to stop funding terrorist groups then you don't have anything at all. Anything. That instability shows up in multiple countries. That isn't good or sound foreign policy. Under Obama NO attempt was made to even secure that. At. All.

The EU, Russia and China continued to do business with Iran as well as other third world countries.
Exactly my point. We had a big stick to use if necessary and now we don't have anything.
 
I don't think the Iranians are ever going to be able to project power out of the middle east. There aren't that many of them
Iran can be the fuse that ignites the entire world.

If they go nuke then the Gulf arab states go nuke

then a huge chunk of the world’s oil supply is at risk
 
The Iranian economy was improving and the populace was happy.
Why should we want the Irainian economy to improve?

thats the stupid policy we adopted to deal with red china for 50 years and it clearly backfired on us
Of course, we want their economy to improve as long as the agreement is in effect. If they see good things happening, then maybe they would be open to negotiation as the agreement lapses and they find that we can be talked to. And then there is the Trump attitude, which gets us nowhere. The agreement was a start and something to build on.
Right after they stop funding terrorist groups.


This ain't rocket science, folks. Pretty simple.
If you are not in the game, you can't get a hit. Theodore Roosevelt once said: "Speak softly and carry a big stick". Our big stick is the agreement that Iran's
citizens love because their lives had improved dramatically due to the agreement.
Now we have nothing, not even a twig. Not rocket science, folks. Pretty simple, yes?
If you don't have anything in there to stop funding terrorist groups then you don't have anything at all. Anything. That instability shows up in multiple countries. That isn't good or sound foreign policy. Under Obama NO attempt was made to even secure that. At. All.

The EU, Russia and China continued to do business with Iran as well as other third world countries.
Exactly my point. We had a big stick to use if necessary and now we don't have anything.
Except you didn't have a big stick. In fact, there was no real attempt to have a big stick. That was the issue. It was an attempt for the bare minimum to continue exploitation.
 
Trump did nothing.
Trump did something

rather than looking the other way he called out the irans and put pressure on their economy

he even blew up on of their terrorist generals
 

Ya, cutting off your nose to spite your face will make america safe
11 Iranians were caught last month trying to cross the border.
They shoulda drove drunk across.
It's pretty simple, you know the ol saying... Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. The Iran deal gets us back in the game of at least having a part in oversight and intel about whats going on over there... What harm do you see in it?
 
You watch, suddenly ISIS will be back with all new Toyota trucks provided by the shadow cabal
 
Pedo joe has to do something. He looks important, in his mask, signing 50 eos a day, even if he has no idea what he's signing. "Just sign it, harris says, we can't hide behind that concertina wire and fence forever. Those idiots out there are gonna wake up one day."
 
Look folks, this last election and the BS surrounding it was about the return of a specific group of billionaires. Let's not pretend that those billionaires or the current administration gives two shits about the people in any other nation-state or at home.

We are not at war with Iran. Iran is a country that if we really wanted to we could beat the living shit out of them and throw them to the dogs. Easy-peasy. This is a proxy war with Russia and now including China as it has always been.
 

Ya, cutting off your nose to spite your face will make america safe
11 Iranians were caught last month trying to cross the border.
They shoulda drove drunk across.
It's pretty simple, you know the ol saying... Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. The Iran deal gets us back in the game of at least having a part in oversight and intel about whats going on over there... What harm do you see in it?

Do you really see no downside in lifting sanctions on the number one terrorist regime in the world?
 

Ya, cutting off your nose to spite your face will make america safe
11 Iranians were caught last month trying to cross the border.
They shoulda drove drunk across.
It's pretty simple, you know the ol saying... Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. The Iran deal gets us back in the game of at least having a part in oversight and intel about whats going on over there... What harm do you see in it?

Do you really see no downside in lifting sanctions on the number one terrorist regime in the world?
That depends... Which sanctions is Biden wanting to lift?
 

Ya, cutting off your nose to spite your face will make america safe
11 Iranians were caught last month trying to cross the border.
They shoulda drove drunk across.
It's pretty simple, you know the ol saying... Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. The Iran deal gets us back in the game of at least having a part in oversight and intel about whats going on over there... What harm do you see in it?

Do you really see no downside in lifting sanctions on the number one terrorist regime in the world?
That depends... Which sanctions is Biden wanting to lift?

Lifting any of them wouldn’t be smart
 

Ya, cutting off your nose to spite your face will make america safe
11 Iranians were caught last month trying to cross the border.
They shoulda drove drunk across.
It's pretty simple, you know the ol saying... Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. The Iran deal gets us back in the game of at least having a part in oversight and intel about whats going on over there... What harm do you see in it?

Do you really see no downside in lifting sanctions on the number one terrorist regime in the world?
That depends... Which sanctions is Biden wanting to lift?

Lifting any of them wouldn’t be smart
Haha.. I almost wrote the prediction that you would say that... Does that mean you don't know what sanctions are in place and which ones Biden would be lifting to rejoin the deal? Don't you think those are good details to know if you are going to weigh in on the subject?
 
The EU, Russia and China continued to do business with Iran as well as other third world countries.
Which will insure a world conflict someday centered in the Persian Gulf

china is evil and would like to see a war there that does not involve them directly

but that could prove to be a difficult tightrope even for the most skilled panda bear to manage

unlike bush, obama, merkel,biden and others who prefer appeasement, trumps tough approach was the least likely to lead to war
 

Ya, cutting off your nose to spite your face will make america safe
11 Iranians were caught last month trying to cross the border.
They shoulda drove drunk across.
It's pretty simple, you know the ol saying... Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. The Iran deal gets us back in the game of at least having a part in oversight and intel about whats going on over there... What harm do you see in it?

Do you really see no downside in lifting sanctions on the number one terrorist regime in the world?
That depends... Which sanctions is Biden wanting to lift?

Lifting any of them wouldn’t be smart
Haha.. I almost wrote the prediction that you would say that... Does that mean you don't know what sanctions are in place and which ones Biden would be lifting to rejoin the deal? Don't you think those are good details to know if you are going to weigh in on the subject?

yeah I mean I don’t think it’s rocket science. The only deal we should give Iran is cut all the bullshit and we won’t turn you into a parking lot. Until they change their behavior (which they haven’t) we should do our best to put as much pressure on them economically.
 
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Ya, cutting off your nose to spite your face will make america safe
11 Iranians were caught last month trying to cross the border.
They shoulda drove drunk across.
It's pretty simple, you know the ol saying... Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. The Iran deal gets us back in the game of at least having a part in oversight and intel about whats going on over there... What harm do you see in it?

Do you really see no downside in lifting sanctions on the number one terrorist regime in the world?
That depends... Which sanctions is Biden wanting to lift?

Lifting any of them wouldn’t be smart
Haha.. I almost wrote the prediction that you would say that... Does that mean you don't know what sanctions are in place and which ones Biden would be lifting to rejoin the deal? Don't you think those are good details to know if you are going to weigh in on the subject?

yeah I mean I don’t think it’s rocket science. The only deal we should give Iran is cut all the bullshit and we won’t turn you into a parking lot. Until they change their behavior (which they haven’t) we should do our best to put as much pressure on you economically.
I think that is a horrible strategy. All it does it inflame tensions. Iran has shown that they don't cave to that kind of pressure so whats the point? The best way to actually get results is to be part of an international alliance with our allies to keep an eye on and maintain relations with Iran. There is give and take with working relations. There is nothing with the pressure and threat campaign except for motivating them to push back.
 
The EU, Russia and China continued to do business with Iran as well as other third world countries.
Which will insure a world conflict someday centered in the Persian Gulf

china is evil and would like to see a war there that does not involve them directly

but that could prove to be a difficult tightrope even for the most skilled panda bear to manage

unlike bush, obama, merkel,biden and others who prefer appeasement, trumps tough approach was the least likely to lead to war

How many nation-states does it take for there to be a world war?

It's a chess game.
 

Ya, cutting off your nose to spite your face will make america safe
11 Iranians were caught last month trying to cross the border.
They shoulda drove drunk across.
It's pretty simple, you know the ol saying... Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. The Iran deal gets us back in the game of at least having a part in oversight and intel about whats going on over there... What harm do you see in it?

Do you really see no downside in lifting sanctions on the number one terrorist regime in the world?
That depends... Which sanctions is Biden wanting to lift?

Lifting any of them wouldn’t be smart
Haha.. I almost wrote the prediction that you would say that... Does that mean you don't know what sanctions are in place and which ones Biden would be lifting to rejoin the deal? Don't you think those are good details to know if you are going to weigh in on the subject?

yeah I mean I don’t think it’s rocket science. The only deal we should give Iran is cut all the bullshit and we won’t turn you into a parking lot. Until they change their behavior (which they haven’t) we should do our best to put as much pressure on you economically.
I think that is a horrible strategy. All it does it inflame tensions. Iran has shown that they don't cave to that kind of pressure so whats the point? The best way to actually get results is to be part of an international alliance with our allies to keep an eye on and maintain relations with Iran. There is give and take with working relations. There is nothing with the pressure and threat campaign except for motivating them to push back.

Trump’s strategy led to less violence. It’s a proven strategy. Obama’ s strategy directly led to more Iranian aggression.


The idea that Iran can be bribed into giving up their ambitions in get nuclear weapons is silly. Furthermore even if they weren‘t interestEd in nuclear weapons their behavior justifies sanctions.
 

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