Zone1 What is free speech ?

[MisterBeale]

So lying is ok with you. You confirm my statements about right wing extremists.

Of course it isn't. Stop making up straw-men arguments.

.. . . . see? Now you are lying, calling me a "right wing extremist," just because I'm not a communist agitator like yourself?



It just isn't for the government to decide what a "lie," is, and what it is not.

This has already been adjudicated by the SCOTUS.

My sympathies for you living in a totalitarian nation.

But you are going to get no where with your propaganda and rhetoric here. The mass majority of the population, on the left and right love their first amendment.

Anyone can say anything they like as long as it is not a direct threat or slander.

Sorry pal.

 

[MisterBeale]

Trump cant be believed. He is too big a liar for that. Nobody van put faith in him.

Oh look. ..

A deflection to something totally unrelated to your OP!?

What a surprise now that you have been summarily defeated.

 

[MisterBeale]

Project 2035 admits it. This is why Florida is underwater.

https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf

Page Number?

I call bullshit unless you quote it.

I'm not searching 900+ pages to find your lies.

 

[MisterBeale]

So lying is ok with you. You confirm my statements about right wing extremists.

That is irrelevant. I have no problem with most of your posts, so obviously queer ass communist agitating is just fine according to the first amendment.

If lying were not ok? You would be without a job or account here.

 

[DStar777]

So lying is ok with you.

You don't know the distinction between:
"lying is ok"
and
"lying is protected speech under the Constitution" ???
No lying is not ok. Who has said this?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

You don't know the distinction between:
"lying is ok"
and
"lying is protected speech under the Constitution" ???
No lying is not ok. Who has said this?

Mister Beale and the other maga posters, Lying is ok with you whichever way you try and squirm..

 

[DStar777]

Project 2035 admits it. This is why Florida is underwater.

https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf

Thanks for the link. I've been searching for that.

Mister Beale and the other maga posters, Lying is ok with you whichever way you try and squirm..

So your position is: lying is not OK, therefore it should be illegal. ?????

 

[DStar777]

Mister Beale and the other maga posters

It occurs to me this is you lying. So lying is Ok with you after all???

 

[MisterBeale]

Mister Beale and the other maga posters, Lying is ok with you whichever way you try and squirm..

Wow. So now you are reduced to just shit-posting and telling lies about folks.

Looks like you have become the very thing you supposedly are against.

Interesting.

 

[MisterBeale]

It occurs to me this is you lying. So lying is Ok with you after all???

This British subversive has lost at his attempt to turn Americans against their first amendment.

Even his fellow commie faggots don't want anything to do with this thread.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Welcome to the Liz Truss school of free speech: you can criticise anyone – except her | Gaby Hinsliff

Those defending the right to be offensive want a safe space for themselves while shutting down dissenting voices, says Guardian columnist Gaby Hinsliff

www.theguardian.com

This article argues that the siren calls come from extremists who want to make some noise.
I can agree with a lot of that.
But my own definition is better.
Someone wanting to whistleblow on a matter of public concern. Not someone who just wants to vent their prejudice.
Lies are not protected.
IE lying about spomeons sexuality to attack sexual minorities
lying about race or religion to attack racial minorities
lying about anything basically
ie - Vance fucks furniture. his wife looks hot. She should get his attention.

Lies arent campaign promises that you dont carry out.
IE Trumps wall. He obviously wanted it but couldnt get it done. Happens all the time like Obamas healthcare.

Lies are labelling a pic in London as a pic of Sheffield
Or reporting a riot when you are sat on your arse 1000 miles away.

The current political scene is based on lies and too many people make a good living out of just lying.

That isnt free speech. That is just the law of the jungle.

Wrong
Lies are protected speech.

being a backwards european you would not know anything about it. Your country shits on freedom of speech

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Wrong
Lies are protected speech.

being a backwards european you would not know anything about it. Your country shits on freedom of speech

You rie yourselves in knots, Lies are not protected speech. Only you right wing extremists spout that. Go and ask Rudy,

 

[jotathought]

Tommy, I know it's a complex concept for you to understand since you don't have free speech in Great Britain. Don't say anything offensive or I'll have to turn you in.

 

[JustAGuy1]

Mister Beale and the other maga posters, Lying is ok with you whichever way you try and squirm..

The first Amendment allows me to tell you that you are a fat arsed pig diddling piece of shit.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Welcome to the Liz Truss school of free speech: you can criticise anyone – except her | Gaby Hinsliff

Those defending the right to be offensive want a safe space for themselves while shutting down dissenting voices, says Guardian columnist Gaby Hinsliff

www.theguardian.com

This article argues that the siren calls come from extremists who want to make some noise.
I can agree with a lot of that.
But my own definition is better.
Someone wanting to whistleblow on a matter of public concern. Not someone who just wants to vent their prejudice.
Lies are not protected.
IE lying about spomeons sexuality to attack sexual minorities
lying about race or religion to attack racial minorities
lying about anything basically
ie - Vance fucks furniture. his wife looks hot. She should get his attention.

Lies arent campaign promises that you dont carry out.
IE Trumps wall. He obviously wanted it but couldnt get it done. Happens all the time like Obamas healthcare.

Lies are labelling a pic in London as a pic of Sheffield
Or reporting a riot when you are sat on your arse 1000 miles away.

The current political scene is based on lies and too many people make a good living out of just lying.

That isnt free speech. That is just the law of the jungle.

In the United States free speech is expression entitled to Constitutional protections.

The right to free speech is neither absolute nor unlimited, subject to government restrictions consistent with First Amendment jurisprudence.

Outside of the United States, speech is not afforded the same protections – in the UK, for example, those who engage in hate speech can be subject to criminal prosecution, unlike the US.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Welcome to the Liz Truss school of free speech: you can criticise anyone – except her | Gaby Hinsliff

Those defending the right to be offensive want a safe space for themselves while shutting down dissenting voices, says Guardian columnist Gaby Hinsliff

www.theguardian.com

This article argues that the siren calls come from extremists who want to make some noise.
I can agree with a lot of that.
But my own definition is better.
Someone wanting to whistleblow on a matter of public concern. Not someone who just wants to vent their prejudice.
Lies are not protected.
IE lying about spomeons sexuality to attack sexual minorities
lying about race or religion to attack racial minorities
lying about anything basically
ie - Vance fucks furniture. his wife looks hot. She should get his attention.

Lies arent campaign promises that you dont carry out.
IE Trumps wall. He obviously wanted it but couldnt get it done. Happens all the time like Obamas healthcare.

Lies are labelling a pic in London as a pic of Sheffield
Or reporting a riot when you are sat on your arse 1000 miles away.

The current political scene is based on lies and too many people make a good living out of just lying.

That isnt free speech. That is just the law of the jungle.

Relevant reading...

Amdt1.7.1 Historical Background on Free Speech Clause

Snip...

''...The Sedition Act of 1798 sparked one such controversy that “crystallized a national awareness of the central meaning of the First Amendment.” 8 The law punished anyone who would “write, print, utter or publish . . . any false, scandalous and malicious writing or writings against the government of the United States, or either house of the Congress of the United States, or the President of the United States, with intent to defame . . . or to bring them . . . into contempt or disrepute.” 9 While Thomas Jefferson and Madison condemned the act as unconstitutional, the Adams Administration used it to prosecute its political opponents.10 Although the Supreme Court never ruled the Sedition Act unconstitutional prior to its expiration in 1801, the Court later recognized “a broad consensus” from the political and judicial branches that the act was unconstitutional...''

 

[Soupnazi630]

You rie yourselves in knots, Lies are not protected speech. Only you right wing extremists spout that. Go and ask Rudy,

Yes they are.

Sorry but you are wrong.

There is no law against lying and it is protected speech . You are massively ignorant

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Yes they are.

Sorry but you are wrong.

There is no law against lying and it is protected speech . You are massively ignorant

Why has rudi been bankrpted if not for telling lies ?

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Most Democrats: “Free speech is things we ideologically agree with. If we disagree, it’s misinformation and hate speech, which should be censored from the public”

 

[Soupnazi630]

Why has rudi been bankrpted if not for telling lies ?

You declare bankrupcy for being broke