Zone1 What is free speech ?

[Tommy Tainant]

You remain full of shit.

If the NY Slimes (for instance) offers a front page above the fold lie (always based allegedly upon “unnamed sources”) and later gets caught, the “retraction” if there is one would be buried in the back pages somewhere.

Libtards like you can’t see what’s right in front of your noses. Your cherished far left wingnut media lacks any hope of ever being fair, objective or honest.

You describe what you dont like as lies.
For example trump is the biggest liar we have ever seen. But you excuse his waffling and try to interpret what he spouts into some form of logic.
But it lacks substance. You cant wish away his larceny without making yourself look like a liar.
And you cant even dump him now, even tho he is well past his sell by date.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Many "facts" put out the government (or should I say governments) are now known to not be facts. Also many things that were once considered "disinformation" are now known to be true.

Governments are accountable. You can vote them out.
But you must make a distinction between lying and failing to deliver.
For example. Trump didnt lie about his wall. He just failed to deliver.

 

[BackAgain]

You describe what you dont like as lies.

Nope. I describe lies as lies.

For example trump is the biggest liar we have ever seen.

That’s another lie.

But you excuse his waffling and try to interpret what he spouts into some form of logic.

When he is unclear (as he was when he started to discuss a brief period of violence) i obviously need to interpret. You scumbags always (ploddingly) assume he meant whatever puts him in a poor light.

So don’t lecture anybody else for also engaging in interpretation. Mine at least makes sense. Yours? No such thing.

But it lacks substance.

Lie.

You cant wish away his larceny without making yourself look like a liar.

There is no larceny to wish away. Youre banning again, fat boi.

And you cant even dump him now, even tho he is well past his sell by date.

Again, unlike the Dims, we don’t “dump” the candidate who won the primaries.

And it’s funny to see you libtard suddenly concerned about a candidate’s age.

Despite the undeniable and lengthy display of dementia by Potato, our Democraps stood by him until the Obumbler orchestrated coup.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Nope. I describe lies as lies.


That’s another lie.

When he is unclear (as he was when he started to discuss a brief period of violence) i obviously need to interpret. You scumbags always (ploddingly) assume he meant whatever puts him in a poor light.

So don’t lecture anybody else for also engaging in interpretation. Mine at least makes sense. Yours? No such thing.

Lie.

There is no larceny to wish away. Youre banning again, fat boi.

Again, unlike the Dims, we don’t “dump” the candidate who won the primaries.

And it’s funny to see you libtard suddenly concerned about a candidate’s age.

Despite the undeniable and lengthy display of dementia by Potato, our Democraps stood by him until the Obumbler orchestrated coup.

You need to avoid this emotional type response.Trump lied about cats and dogs in Springfield and you made out he was talking about immigramt crime in general. You welcome lies because that is what your heroes deal in. You may be a decent person but your fealty robs ypu of any credibility.

 

[BackAgain]

You need to avoid this emotional type response

It’s not emotional. It’s factual. Your perpetual confusion is duly noted.

Trump lied about cats and dogs in Springfield

No. He did not.

and you made out he was talking about immigramt crime in general.

Nope. My reply to the dishonest claim by libturds is to call them out on their dishonesty.

You welcome lies because that is what your heroes deal in.

Lie. I oppose dishonesty. That’s why oppose liberal Democraps.

You may be a decent person but your fealty robs ypu of any credibility.

The irony of some Brit twit who is consistently dishonest making a judgment like that about me is quite a display of chutzpah.

 

[JoeMoma]

Governments are accountable. You can vote them out.
But you must make a distinction between lying and failing to deliver.
For example. Trump didnt lie about his wall. He just failed to deliver.

Yep, the democrats fought him tooth and nail on the wall that would had cost less than 10 billion dollars. The flood of illegals under Biden has easily cost us much more than 10 billion.

 

[PeterPilot]

Jonathan Turley's excellent speech regarding free speech, given to Ron Paul Institute.

Johnathan Turley: Free Speech: Video - LewRockwell

Click Here:

www.lewrockwell.com

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Jonathan Turley's excellent speech regarding free speech, given to Ron Paul Institute.

Johnathan Turley: Free Speech: Video - LewRockwell

Click Here:

www.lewrockwell.com

So do CBS have the right to "free speech" under maga logic?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

The notion of free speech is an absolutely bedrock liberal principle. Tammy hates it because he is an authoritarian who hates actual liberalism.

We really do need to stop calling him, and most of the other Leftists here "liberal". They aren't.

 

[PeterPilot]

So do CBS have the right to "free speech" under maga logic?

Once upon a time it practiced free speech in pursuit of the truth. Not no mo'. It is part of the mainstream media today, and its goal is to advance government propaganda.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Once upon a time it practiced free speech in pursuit of the truth. Not no mo'. It is part of the mainstream media today, and its goal is to advance government propaganda.

Isnt that true of all American outlets left and right ? Americans love lying. They are not an honest people.

 

[PeterPilot]

Isnt that true of all American outlets left and right ? Americans love lying. They are not an honest people.

I think most people are honest most of the time. MSM does not describe the people, it describes the lap dogs of government, and the process began to corrupt it way back in the 50s with Operation Mockingbird.

 

[MisterBeale]

Do you have a link to what Walz actually said ?

You can find it in this video here, I time stamped it;

Tim Walz Is DEAD WRONG—Hate Speech, Misinfo Are PROTECTED Speech: Robby Soave​

Well who deccides that ? Musk ?

It doesn't matter. IN the U.S. NO ONE needs to make that determination, b/c ALL speech, except for threats of violence that have immediacy, and slander are allowed. Not so in totalitarian Britain.

But free speech is not the right to say any old shit.

In the UK? NO.

But in the U.S., unless you are issuing a direct personal threat that is extemporaneous, or unless it is slander (public figures can't be slandered,) Then yes, indeed, in the U.S. you CAN say and write any old shit.

Your free speech is no different to ours.

According to your own standards that you are arguing for? This statement would land you in jail. It is a patently FALSE statement.


If it weren't false? The UK bureaucrats would not be thinking about extraditing Americans for violations of their law.

UK police commissioner threatens to extradite, jail US citizens over online posts: ‘We’ll come after you’​

UK police commissioner threatens to extradite, jail US citizens over online posts: ‘We’ll come after you’

London’s Metropolitan Police chief warned that officials will not only be cracking down on British citizens for commentary on the riots in the U.K., but on American citizens as well.

nypost.com

Elon Musk goads Keir Starmer in another barrage of tweets comparing Britain to the Soviet Union, joking about the death penalty and calling him #TwoTierKeir - after minister called his civil war claims 'deplorable'​

Elon Musk targets Keir Starmer AGAIN in another barrage of tweets

The billionaire also compared the UK to the Soviet Union because of arrests over what people have been saying on Facebook .

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[MisterBeale]

Isnt that true of all American outlets left and right ? Americans love lying. They are not an honest people.

And the British are a bunch of servile pussies that love the crown's boot upon their necks.

So. . . . between slavery and a land of lies?

I'll take freedom and liberty with lies in the public forum.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

I think most people are honest most of the time. MSM does not describe the people, it describes the lap dogs of government, and the process began to corrupt it way back in the 50s with Operation Mockingbird.

Its not just govt. The whole conservative ecosystem is addicted to lies.
Climate change being the major one. It is funded by oil and coal companies.
Conservatives dont mind as long as the lie works for their side. You have seen it on this very thread.

 

[MisterBeale]

Its not just govt. The whole conservative ecosystem is addicted to lies.
Climate change being the major one. It is funded by oil and coal companies.
Conservatives dont mind as long as the lie works for their side. You have seen it on this very thread.

Both political ecosystems live on misinformation and lies.

I can't tell you how many DNC campaign ads I have had to suffer this season, making the claim that the GOP candidates want to completely strip them of their right to an abortion.

. . . as if they would ever attempt a national law like that. What nonsense.


Very few GOP candidates want that, and certainly not Trump. They all know it is an unpopular policy position.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

You can find it in this video here, I time stamped it;

Tim Walz Is DEAD WRONG—Hate Speech, Misinfo Are PROTECTED Speech: Robby Soave​

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It doesn't matter. IN the U.S. NO ONE needs to make that determination, b/c ALL speech, except for threats of violence that have immediacy, and slander are allowed. Not so in totalitarian Britain.

In the UK? NO.

But in the U.S., unless you are issuing a direct personal threat in that is extemporaneous, or unless it is slander (public figures can't be slandered,) Then yes, indeed, in the U.S. you CAN say and write any old shit.


According to your own standards that you are arguing for? This statement would land you in jail. It is a patently FALSE statement.


If it weren't false? The UK bureaucrats would not be thinking about extraditing Americans for violations of their law.

UK police commissioner threatens to extradite, jail US citizens over online posts: ‘We’ll come after you’​

UK police commissioner threatens to extradite, jail US citizens over online posts: ‘We’ll come after you’

London’s Metropolitan Police chief warned that officials will not only be cracking down on British citizens for commentary on the riots in the U.K., but on American citizens as well.

nypost.com

Elon Musk goads Keir Starmer in another barrage of tweets comparing Britain to the Soviet Union, joking about the death penalty and calling him #TwoTierKeir - after minister called his civil war claims 'deplorable'​

Elon Musk targets Keir Starmer AGAIN in another barrage of tweets

The billionaire also compared the UK to the Soviet Union because of arrests over what people have been saying on Facebook .

www.dailymail.co.uk

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So lying is ok with you. You confirm my statements about right wing extremists.

 

[MisterBeale]

Climate change being the major one.

Let's just say climate change exists, for the sake of argument.

There is no experimental proof that humans cause it. None.

The AGW theory has less evidence than the theory of natural selection, and neither are considered fact - except by extremists.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Both political ecosystems live on misinformation and lies.

I can't tell you how many DNC campaign ads I have had to suffer this season, making the claim that the GOP candidates want to completely strip them of their right to an abortion.

. . . as if they would ever attempt a national law like that. What nonsense.


Very few GOP candidates want that, and certainly not Trump. They all know it is an unpopular policy position.

Trump cant be believed. He is too big a liar for that. Nobody van put faith in him.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Let's just say climate change exists, for the sake of argument.

There is no experimental proof that humans cause it. None.

The AGW theory has less evidence than the theory of natural selection, and neither are considered fact - except by extremists.

Project 2035 admits it. This is why Florida is underwater.

https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf