What is driving this trade war?

[Hector12]

There are plenty of homeless people in the United States too.

I do not want the tariff war to destroy China's market. I want the Chinese people to thrive and prosper. I want to continue to buy Chinese consumer goods because they are of excellent quality. I want them to be inexpensive too.

I love China. I expect China to achieve world hegemony by the end of this century, if not sooner.

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[cnm]

I see that you expressed disagreement with my post.

I notice that you were not able to explain what specifically I got wrong, nor make any specific counter arguments.

Couldn't be bothered is more accurate. If you can't accept the evidence all around you as to the hilarity of your wibbling there's nothing I can say that would make any difference.

 

[cnm]

You posted solid information about communist china and @cnm had nothing except insults

More MAGAt delusions. This level of ignorance is why the bond market nearly crashed.

 

[sealybobo]

There are plenty of homeless people in the United States too.

I do not want the tariff war to destroy China's market. I want the Chinese people to thrive and prosper. I want to continue to buy Chinese consumer goods because they are of excellent quality. I want them to be inexpensive too.

I love China. I expect China to achieve world hegemony by the end of this century, if not sooner.

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I want America to move vital manufacturing jobs back to America. For example, building ships. Medicine, auto manufacturing.

I live in metro detroit. I’ve seen what happens when the big three manufacture around you. It builds the best middle class the world has ever seen. Not just big three jobs. Tier, 1, 2 and 3 suppliers.

We need to be sure that if a war broke out, or pandemic, we aren’t completely dependent on another nation.

This is why other countries have tariffs in place. We shouldn’t ask them to remove theirs we should strategically put ours in place.

 

[Correll]

I applaud, ven agree with you. I told another liberal about you and how supply and demand should be raising wages. He hugged me and said I was delusional. I told him I agree. None of what trumps doing is designed to help uneducated blue collar. That’s what trump says, because that’s the Steve bannon spin they’re putting on it.

Elon is a globalist. The CEOs of America are globalists. And so is trump. He’s not going to crash the economy going about bringing jobs back and tax breaks. Can’t wreck the economy trying.

Last year voters felt like they had nothing to lose. They see now they do.

And the economy is worse.

And how much savings has doge found? Not much.

Globalism and "Free Trade" and third world immigration has been hurting the blue collar worker.

Trump is doing the opposite of that. To me, doing the OPPOSITE of what was hurting you, seems like a good place to start.


Please explain your assertion that what he is doing is NOT designed to help the blue collar worker.

 

[Correll]

Couldn't be bothered is more accurate. If you can't accept the evidence all around you as to the hilarity of your wibbling there's nothing I can say that would make any difference.

ok. Whatever. I'm looking forward to the mid terms, when you leftards will continue to be unable to explain ANY of your positions.


Especially every day as the legacy media loses more of it's market. ANd the boomers who are the base of your support, continue to fade away.

MAGA baby, MAGA!

 

[protectionist]

There are plenty of homeless people in the United States too.

I do not want the tariff war to destroy China's market. I want the Chinese people to thrive and prosper. I want to continue to buy Chinese consumer goods because they are of excellent quality. I want them to be inexpensive too.

I love China. I expect China to achieve world hegemony by the end of this century, if not sooner.

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I DON'T love China. Maybe you should try reading some of the books written by well-informed authors like Gordon Chang, who speak about China's economic dominance over the US, as well as their threat to US national security.

 

[protectionist]

The thing to avoid here is the duality of politics and look at the situation from the perspective of a neutral third party. From that perspective it becomes very clear that both sides are in bad shape and either could collapse with the right impetus. Trump knows this and Xi knows this and both are setting up their war strategies. I think China is betting on the crash being 10X harder for the US to recover from, whereas China still has massive motors of productivity to ease any crash. I think Trump is betting on military might and control of international finance. The bad news is I think both sides are willing to go to war rather than capitulate. Then the whole world faces collapse.

You omitted the #1 important thing. China's dependence on the US MARKET.

 

[cnm]

Please explain your assertion that what he is doing is NOT designed to help the blue collar worker.

Many blue collar workers in manufacturing have been automated out of a job. The feeding frenzy that serves as American society abandoned them, help would be too soshialist.

The US now has no manufacturing base. It's a pretty ironic irony that it would have to import the manufacturing tooling from China even if it had the workforce.

What he is doing is creating opportunities to shake down industries that want exemptions or carve outs for their imports.

 

[Mac1958]

What he is doing is creating opportunities to shake down industries that want exemptions or carve outs for their imports.

It's so difficult to gauge what the fuck he's doing, and why, from one moment to the next.

He's had this fetish on tariffs since the 80's, so I wonder if someone victimized him in his mind and he's on this crusade now. Or yeah, maybe it's what you say. Or maybe he just has zero undertstanding of modern-day macroeconomics. People who worked for him in the WH the first would attest to that.

His communication "skills" are so primitive that you can't really get a clear, knowledgable and concise message from him. But you're probably right that there is probably something in it for him.

And look at all the damage he's causing -- from longtime global partnerships to American Treasuries -- because of it.

 

[protectionist]

It's so difficult to gauge what the fuck he's doing, and why, from one moment to the next.

He's had this fetish on tariffs since the 80's, so I wonder if someone victimized him in his mind and he's on this crusade now. Or yeah, maybe it's what you say. Or maybe he just has zero undertstanding of modern-day macroeconomics. People who worked for him in the WH the first would attest to that.

His communication "skills" are so primitive that you can't really get a clear, knowledgable and concise message from him. But you're probably right that there is probably something in it for him.

And look at all the damage he's causing -- from longtime global partnerships to American Treasuries -- because of it.

Yeah because he and Musk are so poor, that they need to grab some bucks$$.

The American people have already gotten focused, and no longer get wrapped up in the media's anti-Trump blatherings.

 

[cnm]

It's so difficult to gauge what the fuck he's doing, and why, from one moment to the next.

He is always monetising the presidency.

 

[Mac1958]

He is always monetising the presidency.

I think the worst has been these Trump Pump & Dump™ crypto schemes.

Those things make a fortune for the con men (and, in this case, the con man's wife too), and leave the investors holding the fucking bag.

It's just stunning that he's gotten away with that so easily.

 

[cnm]

I think the worst has been these Trump Pump & Dump™ crypto schemes.

Those things make a fortune for the con men (and, in this case, the con man's wife too), and leave the investors holding the fucking bag.

It's just stunning that he's gotten away with that so easily.

PT Barnum had that sorted...

 

[Hector12]

You omitted the #1 important thing. China's dependence on the US MARKET.

We are dependent of their high quality, low cost consumer goods.

 

[Correll]

Many blue collar workers in manufacturing have been automated out of a job. The feeding frenzy that serves as American society abandoned them, help would be too soshialist.

Automation is one factor that has reduced manufacturing jobs. It is not the only one. We had many government programs to supposedly help them, despite the hints of "soshialist". They were bullshit that did not work.

Doing the OPPOSITE of the policies that caused the problems, is worth trying. It is silly to see doing the OPPOSITE, be attacked for not trying to reverse the effects.

The US now has no manufacturing base. It's a pretty ironic irony that it would have to import the manufacturing tooling from China even if it had the workforce.

Funny, when I looked up the numbers, we seem to still have quite a large manufacturing sector to our economy and workforce. It is just that they are ill served by our policies and indeed, the very idea of representing their interests, seems literally taboo to the much of our society. Which is very strange.

What he is doing is creating opportunities to shake down industries that want exemptions or carve outs for their imports.

Odd. Most of the attacks from teh left on him, are claiming that his attempts at tarriff policy will destroy the economy.

If this period of tariffs, is really a form of bluff and all it takes from our trading partners is to pay him or the nation off, to resume normal or mostly normal operations, then all that panic mongering is wrong.



If at the end of the year, say, trade has mostly returned to normal, except that every nation has negotiated some concessions to benefit America, wouldn't that be a somewhat successful policy?

To be clear, that would be a disappointment to me, unless those concessions were very serious and the benefits went to the US workers.

 

[protectionist]

We are dependent of their high quality, low cost consumer goods.

No we're not, and they need us, far more than we need them.

 

[Hector12]

No we're not, and they need us, far more than we need them.

We need each other. I have made a point of buying goods imported from China for decades I do not see how I have been harmed by that. The key board I am using to type this, the screen I am reading this on, and my mouse were all made in China. They are less costly than comparable products made in the United States would be. They work fine.

Tariffs are the recourse of countries that cannot compete in the international market place. I look forward to the day when China achieves world hegemony, and the United States is dominated by a high IQ cognitive elite composed largely of Jews and Orientals.

Orientals have average IQs of 106. Whites have averages of 100. Have you sat in a class room or worked with Orientals? They performed well, didn't they? The success of democracy in Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea tells me democracy will work well in China and North Korea. The twentieth century was America's century. The twenty first century will be China's century.

 

[Mac-7]

We need each other. I have made a point of buying goods imported from China for decades I do not see how I have been harmed by that. The key board I am using to type this, the screen I am reading this on, and my mouse were all made in China. They are less costly than comparable products made in the United States would be. They work fine.

Tariffs are the recourse of countries that cannot compete in the international market place. I look forward to the day when China achieves world hegemony, and the United States is dominated by a high IQ cognitive elite composed largely of Jews and Orientals.

Orientals have average IQs of 106. Whites have averages of 100. Have you sat in a class room or worked with Orientals? They performed well, didn't they? The success of democracy in Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea tells me democracy will work well in China and North Korea. The twentieth century was America's century. The twenty first century will be China's century.

It sounds like you want to be one of the prison guards at the concentration camp after china takes over

 

[georgephillip]

What is the one (1) consistent common denominator in virtually ALL of Trump's relationships? The ONE thing he will ALWAYS complain about?

It's about how he is "treated". If he feels he has not been "treated" well enough, he gets angry and acts out. This is something that is happening in his head alone. He is the one who decides on the spot if he's being "treated" well enough. If not, here we go.

So in this case, he has obviously felt for decades that he has somehow been taken advantage of by other countries. That they're getting the better of him somehow. So now he's responding in the only way he knows: He's attacking without looking at a bigger picture. He attacks, sees that the results are bad, and then changes course.

I know that Trump's fans think that they'll see a clear, tangible and material difference in their lives once Trump has exacted his revenge on all those countries. The sad thing here is, on balance, they will not. There are larger issues that influence the vector of an economy.

Just like pollution, climate change, and Covid have no respect for national borders, financial and economic imbalances that originate in one part of the world are also transmitted globally:

Trade wars are class wars | MarcoNie.
"The central argument is that trade wars, although ostensibly fought between nations, are rooted in the conflict between the working class and the elites, regardless of their national origin. In the authors’ own words:"

There shouldn't be any doubt about which side Trump was born into and still supports, but apparently there is