What is a Low Value Man?

[Man of Ethics]

A Low Value Man (LVM) is a term used by r/FemaleDatingStrategy (FDS). Some of FDS ideas come from Mainstream Culture, some ideas come from Gender Critical (Conservative) Feminism. Paradoxically some FDS ideas are inverted ideas from the Manosphere. FDS have their own terms.


I am an LVM -- 53 yo, 157 kg, housekeeper for my parents, suffer Asperger's Syndrome and Depression. Of course I am not looking for romantic relationships, and I do not blame women for being single.


In many obvious ways, an LVM is disadvantaged relative to a High Value Man (HVM). This point does not need to be elaborated. Paradoxically, in other ways, an LVM has much more freedom then an HVM. An HVM must police his own speech in order to avoid angering a potential employer or partner. An LVM has much more freedom to speak his mind or to state Politically Incorrect truth.


In particular, almost no HVM would criticize women. He is afraid to lose his career and his partner. An LVM such as myself s more likely to point out that women can be very abusive, and in Modern Western Society men do suffer significant discrimination. I admit that both genders have both abusive individuals and very altruistic individuals. Some LVM have gone to another extreme -- they become InCel or MGTOW.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

157 kg

Dude you're over 300 lbs

White western women are completely turned off by fat guys
I've spent my life observing people's behaviors .....it's a hobby lol
I've seen gigantic blimps of women with skinny dudes more so than fat gigantic blimps with fat dudes

Unless you can throw a Boulder a quarter mile they'll make an exception ....flabby weak guys ..they're naturally wired to be repulsed

A long time married couple the wife may let a beer belly go ....
Women are not into fat guys ...they're just not

They'll let the taking care of your elderly parents slide but the 300 + lbs not so much

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Wanna feel better and kick that depression ....change the diet ....start off light exercise and work your way up ......sun ...more sun even if it's just your backyard .....meditation

Anyway it's all for naught
All white men are low value and need to be wiped from existence........or so I've been told by progressive educators and klaus schawb

9 Horrible Things Brought About By Toxic Masculinity

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[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Wanna feel better and kick that depression ....change the diet ....start off light exercise and work your way up ......sun ...more sun even if it's just your backyard .....meditation

Anyway it's all for naught
All white men are low value and need to be wiped from existence........or so I've been told by progressive educators and klaus schawb

9 Horrible Things Brought About By Toxic Masculinity

Toxic masculinity has been under fire since third-wave feminism in the ‘90s, and for good reason – men have brought nothing but wickedness and dirty laundry into the world from the beginning. Want examples? Here are 9 horrible things brought to you by toxic masculinity:

babylonbee.com

As well as IM2, Biff_Poindexter, Curried Goats and several other racists on this board.

 

[IM2]

As well as IM2, Biff_Poindexter, Curried Goats and several other racists on this board.

We aren't the racists and personally I've never had problems attracting women.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

We aren't the racists and personally I've never had problems attracting women.

Sure, chuck.

 

[miketx]

We aren't the racists and personally I've never had problems attracting women.

 

[Muhammed]

They'll let the taking care of your elderly parents slide but the 300 + lbs not so much

I've got 5 adult daughters. I've heard them and their friends talk about guys a lot over the years. The first thing they think when some adult guy tells them that they "take care of" an elderly parent is that they are an unemployed loser who still lives in mommy's basement.

And since he's morbidly obese, they certainly are not going to believe that he takes care of his parents. They will think his mommy still makes his bed and does his laundry for him.

They will instinctively know he's full of shit.

 

[22lcidw]

Fellas...how many men are married to fat pigs. A lot of them. Aging women are not that desirable if lazy and even working not the best pushed by equity to earn a salary.

 

[Man of Ethics]

As well as IM2, Biff_Poindexter, Curried Goats and several other racists on this board.

Why do you have to bring race into everything?

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Why do you have to bring race into everything?

Read harder. I wasn't the one that brought up race.

However, the truth is that white men are becoming lower and lower in value. If you don't see this, you are missing something.

 

[Man of Ethics]

I've got 5 adult daughters. I've heard them and their friends talk about guys a lot over the years. The first thing they think when some adult guy tells them that they "take care of" an elderly parent is that they are an unemployed loser who still lives in mommy's basement.

And since he's morbidly obese, they certainly are not going to believe that he takes care of his parents. They will think his mommy still makes his bed and does his laundry for him.

1) I do a lot of housekeeping work.

2) Given my situation, I am not looking for a romantic partner.

3) Given my innate limitations, I may have achieved the best I can. Many people who suffer Depression achieve much less then nothing -- they become addicts.

 

[Man of Ethics]

However, the truth is that white men are becoming lower and lower in value. If you don't see this, you are missing something.

Men of all races are -- it has nothing to do with race.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Men of all races are -- it has nothing to do with race.

I disagree, but you don't want to get deeply into real debate.

 

[miketx]

Why do you have to bring race into everything?

He didn't liar.

 

[Disir]

A Low Value Man (LVM) is a term used by r/FemaleDatingStrategy (FDS). Some of FDS ideas come from Mainstream Culture, some ideas come from Gender Critical (Conservative) Feminism. Paradoxically some FDS ideas are inverted ideas from the Manosphere. FDS have their own terms.


I am an LVM -- 53 yo, 157 kg, housekeeper for my parents, suffer Asperger's Syndrome and Depression. Of course I am not looking for romantic relationships, and I do not blame women for being single.


In many obvious ways, an LVM is disadvantaged relative to a High Value Man (HVM). This point does not need to be elaborated. Paradoxically, in other ways, an LVM has much more freedom then an HVM. An HVM must police his own speech in order to avoid angering a potential employer or partner. An LVM has much more freedom to speak his mind or to state Politically Incorrect truth.


In particular, almost no HVM would criticize women. He is afraid to lose his career and his partner. An LVM such as myself s more likely to point out that women can be very abusive, and in Modern Western Society men do suffer significant discrimination. I admit that both genders have both abusive individuals and very altruistic individuals. Some LVM have gone to another extreme -- they become InCel or MGTOW.

LVM started as a Reddit thing. I want to point something out. Cuffing season begins in about 6 weeks. This is also the season when homeless men/couch surfers try to hook up for the winter with someone that has their own place and a job. That happens with younger people.

LVM=Red Flags. In fact, there are so many red flags that it may as well be an advertisement for a circus. It’s a red flag when a man uses a traumatic past to excuse his current behavior. It is a red flag when a guy has a substance abuse issue. It’s a red flag when you see a guy treat a waiter like shit. Love bombing and bread crumbing is a major red flag. Men who try to make a lot of derogatory marks about a gender and then hide behind an alleged disability is a red flag. Knowing that you have a problem, complaining and refusing to take care of the problem is a red flag. Men who want to see you only at night and want to meet only at your house is a red flag. Men with anger problems is a red flag. Men that lie is a red flag. Men with a lengthy history of domestic violence is a red flag. Men with a history of a lot of “crazy women” is a red flag. Men that can’t hold down a job is a red flag. Men who love to go to the casino all the time is a red flag.

Earlier this year, or maybe at the end of last year, a question for women was posed by a guy. He asked, “What are you bringing to the table?” That's a fair question until you come up against a female that says, "I own the table. I bought and paid for this table.” The expectations shift. The entire conversation had to shift.

What I learned from watching this go down was that there are a lot of men that need to feel like they are superior and can only do that based on their income or career. There are a lot of women that take care of themselves and they want men to mean what they say and say what they mean. They don't need men for all the things that men usually complain about. At that point it’s all about character and integrity. You either have it or you don’t.

 

[Man of Ethics]

LVM=Red Flags. In fact, there are so many red flags that it may as well be an advertisement for a circus. It’s a red flag when a man uses a traumatic past to excuse his current behavior. It is a red flag when a guy has a substance abuse issue. It’s a red flag when you see a guy treat a waiter like shit. Love bombing and bread crumbing is a major red flag.
1) Men who try to make a lot of derogatory marks about a gender and then hide behind an alleged disability is a red flag.
2) Knowing that you have a problem, complaining and refusing to take care of the problem is a red flag. Men who want to see you only at night and want to meet only at your house is a red flag. Men with anger problems is a red flag. Men that lie is a red flag.
3) Men with a lengthy history of domestic violence is a red flag. Men with a history of a lot of “crazy women” is a red flag.
Men that can’t hold down a job is a red flag. Men who love to go to the casino all the time is a red flag.

1) Of course this is a jab at me. As a man who is not looking for a relationship or a career, I can be much more honest about gender issues then most men. Many women (like many men) are abusive. Modern Western Culture encourages and celebrates abuse of women by men. Men do suffer significant discrimination. Of course, most women and most men are not abusive.

2) About me. I am really not interested in changing my life in a major way. In minor ways yes -- getting a part-time job from home for $12k to $15k per year would be great.

3) Anyone with a history of Domestic Violence is very dangerous. One danger for a man is that if he is abused, he will most likely be treated as the Primary Aggressor and lose his career.

 

[Man of Ethics]

Earlier this year, or maybe at the end of last year, a question for women was posed by a guy. He asked, “What are you bringing to the table?” That's a fair question until you come up against a female that says, "I own the table. I bought and paid for this table.” The expectations shift. The entire conversation had to shift.

I agree 100%.

 

[Disir]

1) Of course this is a jab at me. As a man who is not looking for a relationship or a career, I can be much more honest about gender issues then most men. Many women (like many men) are abusive. Modern Western Culture encourages and celebrates abuse of women by men. Men do suffer significant discrimination. Of course, most women and most men are not abusive.

2) About me. I am really not interested in changing my life in a major way. In minor ways yes -- getting a part-time job from home for $12k to $15k per year would be great.

3) Anyone with a history of Domestic Violence is very dangerous. One danger for a man is that if he is abused, he will most likely be treated as the Primary Aggressor and lose his career.

The first one mentioned is 100% a jab at you and here is another one: Men who continuously bring up the evils of women and dating and then run and hide behind "not dating". You are really, really concerned despite this. Red flag.

2: Anyone that is miserable and doesn't want to change and there are ways to do so should be a red flag for men or women. Lack of ambition or direction is not respected. Not taking control of one's life when humanly possible is a red flag and that wasn't geared towards you. If the shoe fits..........

3. That is a danger for men. It's changing but it's too slow. I have walked men in to a DV agency so they can work on obtaining a restraining order. I have a boy-child. Well, he is an adult now. It's a fear. That said, I just dealt with a guy that had a history of 17 POs. They were for real.
There are women out there that don't believe those are real incidents until they wind up in the hospital a few times.

 

[Disir]

I agree 100%.

Yep. That one was stitched on TikTok so there were a lot of responses to his question and a lot of back and forth. There were fantastic points made about it.