What if the universe is infinite in every direction, macro and micro?

The topic makes sense to me.
IN what way does an infinite universe have any relevant effect on your life. Its hypothetical construct and makes no difference. What does your life mean? What have you done for humanity. What have you given to society? Will you be remembered or forgotten
 
IN what way does an infinite universe have any relevant effect on your life. Its hypothetical construct and makes no difference.
What a bizarre thing for a religious person to say.

I suppose this nonsense arises from the idea that religious people think they already have all the answers (when in fact they have none).
 
What a bizarre thing for a religious person to say.

I suppose this nonsense arises from the idea that religious people think they already have all the answers (when in fact they have none).
I never considered myself religious. I am spiritual with Jewish moral values. I have my answers do you have yours. What is the meaning of your life. What have you done for humanity?
 
We usually think of the universe as infinite in space. Galaxies receding endlessly, stars stretching beyond our sight. But what if that infinity exists at the micro level too? What if there’s no bottom, no smallest scale, just as there may be no top?

Imagine every galaxy we see is the size of an electron in another universe. And every electron in our world could be an entire galaxy in a cosmos we’ll never reach. Boundaries vanish. Space and time become fractal, repeating endlessly, with their own rules at each level. Physics gives us limits; Planck length, quantum discreteness, but maybe those are just local laws. Somewhere else, somewhere smaller or larger, reality could obey entirely different rules, endlessly.

In this scenario, infinity isn’t abstract; it’s layered, recursive, and tangible. No beginnings, no ends, just scale upon scale, each real to whatever consciousness perceives it. Reality might not be a container at all. It could be a mirror facing mirrors, reflecting universes within universes, forever.

Infinite regress at micro and macro levels would mean there’s no ultimate base reality, just nested realities, each as real as the one we occupy.
Not an electron/galaxy, but atom/galaxies. When an atom breaks down into a galaxy it makes new atoms that will someday break down into galaxies, not that each atom in our universe is presently a galaxy. the Outer Verse
 
It may be, but that won't affect us. The Planck length is a distance limit, much as the speed of light is a speed limit.
Planck length and the speed of light are limits imposed by our current models, not necessarily limits imposed by reality itself. Every time we've treated a theoretical boundary as a fundamental wall, we've eventually found something on the other side of it. The history of physics is largely a history of discovering that our limits were our imagination, not nature's.
 
IN what way does an infinite universe have any relevant effect on your life. Its hypothetical construct and makes no difference. What does your life mean? What have you done for humanity. What have you given to society? Will you be remembered or forgotten
Every single person who has ever lived will be forgotten. Every name carved in stone, every monument built to outlast its maker, every civilization that believed itself eternal, will be gone. Not archived. Not remembered. Gone, as though they never existed.

Our species will go extinct. Whatever replaces us will go extinct. The stars will exhaust their fuel and go dark one by one until the universe is a cold, lightless void with nothing left to witness its own emptiness. No heat. No light. No memory. The universe itself will die.

Your question assumes legacy is the measure of a life. But legacy requires someone to remember it. And in the end, there is no one. There is nothing. The question of what you've given to society dissolves into a universe that will eventually have no society, no record, and no one left to care.

So what does my life mean? Exactly as much as yours. Which is to say, whatever we decide it means, right now, before the lights go out.
 
Planck length and the speed of light are limits imposed by our current models, not necessarily limits imposed by reality itself.

Or to put it a bit differently, while speed of light is an observed constant, Planck length is just an assumed value to a term necessary so that it can be inserted into equations to solve for other unknowns, based upon its presumed existence whether it helps to solve for other things.
 
Every single person who has ever lived will be forgotten. Every name carved in stone, every monument built to outlast its maker, every civilization that believed itself eternal, will be gone. Not archived. Not remembered. Gone, as though they never existed.

Our species will go extinct. Whatever replaces us will go extinct. The stars will exhaust their fuel and go dark one by one until the universe is a cold, lightless void with nothing left to witness its own emptiness. No heat. No light. No memory. The universe itself will die.

Your question assumes legacy is the measure of a life. But legacy requires someone to remember it. And in the end, there is no one. There is nothing. The question of what you've given to society dissolves into a universe that will eventually have no society, no record, and no one left to care.
So what does my life mean? Exactly as much as yours. Which is to say, whatever we decide it means, right now, before the lights go out.
So no one remembers Einstein Da Vinci John Locke, Rousseau Moses? The measure of a life is what it means What does your life mean?

Frankl’s Existential Theory​

Frankl’s philosophical background is grounded in existentialism and his theory has been placed in the tradition of existential philosophy (Klingberg, 2001; Pytell, 2015). He described a situation at the age of 13 that would become a central tenet of his theory (Frankl, 2000; Klingberg, 2001; Pytell, 2015; Redsand, 2006). When a teacher told Frankl’s class that life is processes of combustion and oxidation, Frankl asked: “Professor Fritz, if this is the case, what meaning then does life have?” (Redsand, 2006, p. 18). Later Frankl described reductionism “as today’s nihilism” (Frankl, 2000, p. 60). Frankl believed that reductionism failed to grasp the uniqueness of humanness by describing human beings as mere machines, as opposed to possessing the ability to transcend beyond their unique physicality (Frankl, 1988, 2006, 2014).

Frankl (2010, 2011, 2014) maintained that the search for meaning is not a secondary thought process to instincts, but rather the primary motivation in life. His theory (2010, 2011, 2012, 2014) highlighted the need to acquire the tools necessary to find meaning, rather than to view a person as a two-dimensional machine with separate parts. A person’s ability to transcend their environment was a central component of Frankl’s existential theory.

Frankl (2004, 2006, 2014) stated that the individual is the only one to decide about the meaning of their life and that the individual has to take responsibility for creating and deciding its unique meaning. Furthermore, the ability to decide the meaning of a situation has the power to create a positive outcome from the worst of situations, as Frankl (2000) explained:

I can see beyond the misery of the situation to the potential for discovering a meaning behind it, and thus to turn an apparently meaningless suffering into a genuine human achievement. I am convinced that, in the final analysis, there is no situation that does not contain within it the seed of meaning. To a great extent, this conviction is the basis of Logotherapy. (p. 53)

Noö-Dynamics​

Frankl (2006) asserted that mental well-being is not about achieving emotional equilibrium, but rather “the existential dynamics in a polar field of tension where one pole is represented by the meaning that is to be fulfilled and the other pole by the man who has to fulfil it” (p. 110). This is a foundational concept of Frankl’s existential theory, which is based on a person’s drive to achieve purpose in life. Frankl (2004) referred to this tension between a person’s end goal and where a person is currently as noö-dynamics. The term noödynamics is derived from noetics which was a central feature of the Austrian philosophical-psychological tradition to which Frankl was a part. The origin of the term stems from the Greek word noös meaning mind or spirit (Hatt, 1965). Hence, the noölogical dimension according to Frankl refers to the uniquely human experience of transcending one’s environment and entering into the dimension of noetic phenomena (or the noölogical dimension; Frankl, 1988). According to Frankl (2004), human beings should aim to create this tension in order to re-orientate themselves towards their meaning in life. This constant tension provides a person with a sense of drive and purpose (Frankl, 2006, 2014). Frankl stated that working towards a sense of emotional homeostasis is mentally healthy and that tension aroused by a goal that needs to be fulfilled is what makes a person live in this world with purpose. Frankl (2004), therefore, maintained that noö-dynamics is a healthy state for a person to be in and while a state of emotional homeostasis is naturally comforting, noö-dynamics is what one should aim to create in one’s life.
 
So no one remembers Einstein Da Vinci John Locke, Rousseau Moses? The measure of a life is what it means What does your life mean?
Yes, right now they're remembered. In a hundred years most of them still will be. In ten thousand years, some of them. In a million, maybe fragments. In a billion, nothing. In a hundred trillion, when the last star goes dark, there is no medium left in which memory can exist. No minds. No records. No universe capable of containing the concept of Einstein. The timeline you're operating on is a rounding error against the scale I'm describing. Zoom out far enough and the difference between you and Einstein is zero.
 
Yes, right now they're remembered. In a hundred years most of them still will be. In ten thousand years, some of them. In a million, maybe fragments. In a billion, nothing. In a hundred trillion, when the last star goes dark, there is no medium left in which memory can exist. No minds. No records. No universe capable of containing the concept of Einstein. The timeline you're operating on is a rounding error against the scale I'm describing. Zoom out far enough and the difference between you and Einstein is zero.
Nihilism is the philosophical conviction that life lacks intrinsic meaning, purpose, or objective value, often asserting that existence is chaotic and without inherent morality. Originating from the Latin nihil ("nothing"), it gained prominence in the 19th century, particularly through Friedrich Nietzsche, who predicted it would plague modern society.
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Key Beliefs and Views on Meaning
  • Meaninglessness: Life is an accidental occurrence, void of purpose, where humans are insignificant in the universe.
  • Rejection of Authority: It rejects objective truth, moral codes, and traditional values.
  • "God is Dead":
    Nietzsche’s famous declaration indicates that with the decline of religious faith, humanity has lost the basis for inherent meaning
    .

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    Types of Nihilism
  • Existential Nihilism: The most common form, asserting that life itself has no intrinsic value or meaning.
  • Moral/Ethical Nihilism: The belief that no actions are inherently moral or immoral.
  • Epistemological Nihilism: The view that knowledge is impossible, or that we cannot truly know anything.
  • Cosmic Nihilism: The belief that the universe is vast, indifferent, and uncaring about human existence.
  • Active vs. Passive Nihilism: Passive nihilism is a resigned acceptance of meaninglessness, while active nihilism (supported by Nietzsche) suggests using this void to create one's own values.
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Criticisms and Context
  • Impracticality: Critics, including philosophers, argue it is impossible to live as a true nihilist because humans naturally assign value to things.
  • Destructive Potential: It is often associated with despair, apathy, and, by critics like Dostoevsky, a threat to human dignity.
  • Psychological Distress: The lack of purpose can lead to significant mental anguish, as described in existentialist literature.
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Nihilism differs from existentialism, as the latter often focuses on creating meaning, whereas pure nihilism denies that any meaningful value can be found.
 
We usually think of the universe as infinite in space. Galaxies receding endlessly, stars stretching beyond our sight. But what if that infinity exists at the micro level too? What if there’s no bottom, no smallest scale, just as there may be no top?

Imagine every galaxy we see is the size of an electron in another universe. And every electron in our world could be an entire galaxy in a cosmos we’ll never reach. Boundaries vanish. Space and time become fractal, repeating endlessly, with their own rules at each level. Physics gives us limits; Planck length, quantum discreteness, but maybe those are just local laws. Somewhere else, somewhere smaller or larger, reality could obey entirely different rules, endlessly.

In this scenario, infinity isn’t abstract; it’s layered, recursive, and tangible. No beginnings, no ends, just scale upon scale, each real to whatever consciousness perceives it. Reality might not be a container at all. It could be a mirror facing mirrors, reflecting universes within universes, forever.

Infinite regress at micro and macro levels would mean there’s no ultimate base reality, just nested realities, each as real as the one we occupy.
If there is an infinite universe, that means we have a society exactly like ours, except I'm wearing a green-striped shirt instead of a blue-striped shirt right now. And another in which I'm wearing a yellow-striped shirt, and infinite more societies in which I'm wearing all the shirts possible to infinity, and then we go to the next tiny detail. Societies exactly the same in every way except my water cup is a half-inch to the right, and one where it's a quarter inch to the left, to infinity. Or another universe identical in every way except on girl in Xianping, China is named Mei instead of Ting. Every variable of every infinite scenario MUST be present by definition if the universe is infinite. It's exhausting to think about.

But maybe not. For example Did Jesus rise from the dead on an infinite number of other similar planets? Or did He rise from the dead on ours alone? Jesus said "My Father's House has many rooms". Maybe an infinite number?
 
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If there is an infinite universe, that means we have a society exactly like ours, except I'm wearing a green-striped shirt instead of a blue-striped shirt right now.

That sounds more like an infinite NUMBER of universes. Keep in mind that our universe can APPEAR infinite to us yet be limited and defined in absolute terms, much the same way that there is only a fixed, finite number of roads and highways you can drive on, yet you could drive on them forever and never run out of another road or highway in front of you.
 
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Nihilism is the philosophical conviction that life lacks intrinsic meaning, purpose, or objective value, often asserting that existence is chaotic and without inherent morality. Originating from the Latin nihil ("nothing"), it gained prominence in the 19th century, particularly through Friedrich Nietzsche, who predicted it would plague modern society.
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Key Beliefs and Views on Meaning
  • Meaninglessness: Life is an accidental occurrence, void of purpose, where humans are insignificant in the universe.
  • Rejection of Authority: It rejects objective truth, moral codes, and traditional values.
  • "God is Dead":
    Nietzsche’s famous declaration indicates that with the decline of religious faith, humanity has lost the basis for inherent meaning
    .

    Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy
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    Types of Nihilism
  • Existential Nihilism: The most common form, asserting that life itself has no intrinsic value or meaning.
  • Moral/Ethical Nihilism: The belief that no actions are inherently moral or immoral.
  • Epistemological Nihilism: The view that knowledge is impossible, or that we cannot truly know anything.
  • Cosmic Nihilism: The belief that the universe is vast, indifferent, and uncaring about human existence.
  • Active vs. Passive Nihilism: Passive nihilism is a resigned acceptance of meaninglessness, while active nihilism (supported by Nietzsche) suggests using this void to create one's own values.
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Criticisms and Context
  • Impracticality: Critics, including philosophers, argue it is impossible to live as a true nihilist because humans naturally assign value to things.
  • Destructive Potential: It is often associated with despair, apathy, and, by critics like Dostoevsky, a threat to human dignity.
  • Psychological Distress: The lack of purpose can lead to significant mental anguish, as described in existentialist literature.
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Nihilism differs from existentialism, as the latter often focuses on creating meaning, whereas pure nihilism denies that any meaningful value can be found.
I'm not a nihilist. Nihilism says meaning doesn't exist. I believe meaning is self-generated rather than cosmically assigned. Those are completely different positions. I love my life. It has enormous meaning and value to me. I'm not in despair about the heat death of the universe. I'm just being honest about the scale. Zoom out far enough and nothing is permanent. Zoom back in and everything that matters to me is right here. Both things are true simultaneously.

I'm not even arguing against the possibility of something you might call God.
 
That sounds more like an infinite NUMBER of universes. Keep in mind that our universe can APPEAR infinite to us yet be limited and defined in absolute terms, much the same way that there is only a fixed, finite number of roads and highways you can drive on, yet you could drive on them forever and never run out of another road or highway in front of you.
I see. Interesting.
But maybe it's an infinite number as well. They're up to a sextillion number of planets now, but nobody can see the edge if there is one.
 
No we don't. The Universe is expanding, thus it has a defined border, and thus it can't be "infinite". The question is what is it expanding in to.
Exactly, if it’s expanding then there is room beyond its “border” therefore there is no border
 
Exactly, if it’s expanding then there is room beyond its “border” therefore there is no border
Depends on which theory you agree with.
 
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