Zone1 Theistic Evolutionary Theory?

[DennisPTate]

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If there is no memory of past lives, one that is accepted by everybody, it could be that the individualities that cross over to here can't fit their memories into human brains.

I don't believe in near-death experiences, because they are not common. There's no reason that only special people would have them. They fit in with other fantasies of the imagination. If someone sells a book with them, they are gospels of greed.

But near death experiences can now be induced under conditions that are similar to a laboratory setting.

The Trigger of Extreme Gravity: Dr. James Whinnery’s NDE Research​

BY KEVIN WILLIAMSPOSTED ON SEPTEMBER 23, 2019

About Dr. James Whinnery​

The scientific method requires a phenomenon to be able to be reproducible under laboratory conditions for it to be declared a “real” phenomenon. In the early days, near-death experiences were thought by some to be just “phantom” visions and nothing more than imagination. But then Dr. James E. Whinnery, a chemistry professor with West Texas A&M, became involved with research involving fighter pilots being subjected to extreme gravitational forces in a giant centrifuge to simulate the extreme conditions that can occur during aerial combat maneuvering. Strangely enough, it turns out that under extreme g-forces, fighter pilots lose consciousness (known as “G-LOC“) and have a near-death experience.

Whinnery wrote a technical report for the National Institute for Discovery Science about the phenomenon and in doing so proved the near-death experience to be a real phenomenon. Dr. Whinnery published his study, Psychophysiologic Correlates of Unconsciousness and Near-Death Experiences (PDF), in the Journal of Near-Death Studies. The following is a summary of his technical report of how NDEs are triggered by severe gravitational forces.

 

[DennisPTate]

If God creates those rules, He is not benevolent

Or could it be that the Creator has built into the Creation a way to teach us humans, [and all other creatures as well], that "do unto others as we would have them do unto us" is the most important principle that any of us can live by?

Introduction to the Life Review and NDEs​

Kimberly Clark-Sharp once shared an interesting near-death experience (NDE) of the life review of a woman who saw an event in her life as a child. The lesson the woman learned from her life review is that our actions which seem unimportant can be more important than we can imagine on the other side. When the woman was a little girl, she saw a tiny flower growing almost impossibly out of a crack in the sidewalk. She bent down and cupped the flower and gave it her full unconditional love and attention. When the girl became a woman and had an NDE, during her life review she discovered that it was this incident with the flower that was the most important event of her entire life. The reason was because it was the moment where she expressed her love in a greater, purer, and unconditional manner. This example of a life review by Kimberly Clark Sharp is one of my favorite examples because it shows in a dramatic way a principle that appears in many life reviews. The principle is that the actions which we think are unimportant may turn out to be the most important actions we have ever done in our life. Unconditional and spontaneous acts of love are the greatest acts we can perform – even if it is directed at a tiny flower.

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[DennisPTate]

DennisPTate: That is definitely one of the most astonishingly deep statements that I have read in my sixty six years!


There is nothing remotely deep about his denial of Nature's God. Eighty-five percent of Nobel Laureates in the 20th Century were believers in the Creator.

Irrational Atheism

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The statistics of naturalistic polypeptide synthesis are insuperable. They had to be designed by The Creator. Don't expect the "Sage" to understand much less explain that to you. Like all atheists, he is in perpetual denial of reality, science, and history.

True, but I wasn't certain if his goal was to deny the existence of an off the scale Intelligence that is behind every living thing.

String Theory gives all of us a hint at the kind of power and energy that is there in those higher and invisible dimensions of space and time. I believe that String Theory indicates that our Creator would learn and become better and better at creating others at an astonishingly rapid rate over infinite time in the past.

"It was not until 1920 that the idea of linking electromagnetism and
gravity resurfaced. At that time a new theory of gravitation had been proposed by Albert Einstein (1879-1955), called the general theory of relativity. It was a replacement of Newton's theory, which had stood unchallenged since 1687. Inspired by Einstein's work, a young German mathematician named Theodore Kaluza was seized by a curious idea. The theory of relativity links space an time together to form a four-dimensional space-time continuum. What would happen, mused Kaluza, if general relativity were formulated in five rather than four dimensions? This is what Kaluza did, and to everyone's astonishment it was discovered that five-dimensional gravity obeys the same laws as
four-dimensional gravity as well as Maxwell's laws for the electromagnetic field. In other words, gravitation and electromagnetism are automatically unified in five dimensions, where electromagnetism is merely a component of gravity!"

The only drawback of the theory concerns the extra dimension. Why
don't we see it? An ingenious answer was provided by Oskar Klein. A
hosepipe viewed from afar looks like a wiggly line, i.e. one- dimensional.
However, on closer inspection it can be seen as a narrow tube. It is, in fact,
two-dimensional, and what was taken to be a point on the line is actually a
little circle going around the tube. In the same way, reasoned Klein, what we normally regard as a point in three dimensional space could in reality be a little circle going around a fourth space dimension. Thus Kaluza's extra
dimension might well exist, but be impossible to detect because it is closed
(circular) and rolled up to a very small circumference. In spite of
these bizarre overtones, it seems probable that in future a "theory of everything" will make use of the idea of unseen higher dimensions."
....

"Although nature manifests four distinct forces, physicists believe that
each may be part of a smaller number of more primitive forces. At high energy, the electromagnetic and weak forces appear to merge into a single "electroweak" force. Some "grand unified theories" suggest that a further amalgamation takes place between the electroweak and strong forces at as yet unattained energies. The most ambitious unification schemes envisage an amalgamation of all four forces into a single "superforce" at ultra-high levels of energy."

...

"The real burden in the next three centuries will not be the development of fancy mathematics, but the experimental testing of these ambitious theories. All current thinking about total unification assumes that the effects of linking all the forces and particles together will only become manifest at energies that are some trillion times greater than those currently attainable in particle accelerators. Probably we shall never reach such energies directly" ( A Theory of Everything" Volume 21 of "The World of Science)

 

[DennisPTate]

Establishing a Mindset That Would Accept One's Own Slavery

Why have an outside God establishing His tyranny over every individual? Once individual intelligences possessed Earth's life-forms, they could overcome random odds by choosing and making part of themselves whatever molecules needed and rejecting harmful or useless molecules. Intellect ("select between") literally means that. Theism seeks to discredit human intelligence, giving all choices for us to a totalitarian ruler.

Why?

Because the Word -Logos knew that Covering Cherub Helel would eventually rebel and become Satan and would eventually even lead a third of the angels astray. My theory is that our ancestors, Adam and Eve were put into Eden, [the very Garden that Covering Cherub Helel ruled over], because the restoration of all dimensions of space and time is the ultimate goal.

For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given;
and the government will be upon his shoulder,
and his name will be called
“Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”
7Of the increase of his government and of peace
there will be no end,
upon the throne of David, and over his kingdom,
to establish it, and to uphold it
with justice and with righteousness
from this time forth and for evermore.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will do this." [Isaiah 9]

In defence of this former Covering Cherub Helel he may have lived with the Creator for billions and billions of years before Helel began to fall and went off into dark psychological research about seventy million years ago and had fully fallen by sixty five million years ago.

That was shown to Robert Marshall during his forty four hours of being brain dead in May of 2024.

“I DIED FOR 44 HOURS & GOD ANSWERED THE MYSTERIES OF LIFE!” on the Randy Kay channel.​

435,320 views Premiered Apr 25, 2025

After dying three times for a total of 44 hours in Heaven, Robert describes Heaven in vivid detail. But what makes this episode like none other is that Robert hears answers from Jesus about some the most mysterious questions of all-time:
1. How old is the earth?
2. What happened to the dinasaurs?
3. What happened to the Garden of Eden?
4. How were different ethnicities formed?
5. Why did Jesus use parables?...and so much more!

 

[DennisPTate]

Evolutionary theory, regarding life on Earth?

No, it only has to go back about 4 billion years.

That is what I was taught in Grade four here in Canada but chapter thirteen of "Stephen Hawking's Universe" expands history to INFINITE time in the past exactly as was shown to near death experiencer and former Atheist Mellen Benedict in the quotation in the opening post. I will add a little bit to that quotation.

That chapter was entitled "The Anthropic Principle."

[Mellen Benedict] :
6. The Void.
...
...
What mystics call the Void is not a void. It is so full of energy, a different kind of energy that has created everything that we are. Everything since the Big Bang is vibration, from the first Word, which is the first vibration. The biblical “I am” really has a question mark after it. “I am — What am I?” So creation is God exploring God’s Self through every way imaginable, in an ongoing, infinite exploration through every one of us. I began to see during my NDE that everything that is, is the Self, literally, your Self, my Self. Everything is the great Self. That is why God knows even when a leaf falls. That is possible because wherever you are is the center of the universe. Wherever any atom is, that is the center of the universe. There is God in that, and God in the Void.

As I was exploring the Void during my life after death experience and all the Yugas or creations, I was completely out of time and space as we know it. In this expanded state, I discovered that creation is about Absolute Pure Consciousness, or God, coming into the Experience of Life as we know it. The Void itself is devoid of experience. It is pre life, before the first vibration. Godhead is about more than Life and Death. Therefore there is even more than Life and Death to experience in the Universe!

When I realized this I was finished with the Void, and wanted to return to this creation, or Yuga. It just seemed like the natural thing to do. Then I suddenly came back through the second light, or the Big Bang, hearing several more velvet booms. I rode the stream of consciousness back through all of creation, and what a ride it was! The super clusters of galaxies came through me with even more insights. I passed through the center of our galaxy, which is a black hole. Black holes are the great processors or recyclers of the Universe. Do you know what is on the other side of a Black Hole? We are; our galaxy, which has been reprocessed from another Universe. In its total energy configuration, the galaxy looked like a fantastic city of lights. All energy this side of the Big Bang is light. Every sub atom, atom, star, planet, even consciousness itself is made of light and has a frequency and/or particle. Light is living stuff. Everything is made of light, even stones. So everything is alive. Everything is made from the light of God; everything is very intelligent." [Mellen Benedict]

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[The Sage of Main Street]

Or, more likely, this principle would almost certainly lead to an off the scale intelligent and powerful Creator that would put part of themselves in every living thing in the universe?

Even plants seem to have emotions which fits perfectly with statements in Isaiah.

The Fundamental Force







The Creator is in plants but also even in water.

Masaru Emoto - Water Experiments​

If They Give Us an Inch, They Take a Mile

Since God is not an obvious presence like the original Sun God, we have to suppose His presence in some secular power. Therefore, Theism sets us up for slavish dependence on a government or a plutocratic oligarchy. That slowly makes us accept anything they throw at us.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

But near death experiences can now be induced under conditions that are similar to a laboratory setting.

The Trigger of Extreme Gravity: Dr. James Whinnery’s NDE Research​

BY KEVIN WILLIAMSPOSTED ON SEPTEMBER 23, 2019

About Dr. James Whinnery​

The scientific method requires a phenomenon to be able to be reproducible under laboratory conditions for it to be declared a “real” phenomenon. In the early days, near-death experiences were thought by some to be just “phantom” visions and nothing more than imagination. But then Dr. James E. Whinnery, a chemistry professor with West Texas A&M, became involved with research involving fighter pilots being subjected to extreme gravitational forces in a giant centrifuge to simulate the extreme conditions that can occur during aerial combat maneuvering. Strangely enough, it turns out that under extreme g-forces, fighter pilots lose consciousness (known as “G-LOC“) and have a near-death experience.

Whinnery wrote a technical report for the National Institute for Discovery Science about the phenomenon and in doing so proved the near-death experience to be a real phenomenon. Dr. Whinnery published his study, Psychophysiologic Correlates of Unconsciousness and Near-Death Experiences (PDF), in the Journal of Near-Death Studies. The following is a summary of his technical report of how NDEs are triggered by severe gravitational forces.

That's as meaningless as dreams, which aren't mental at all

 

[DennisPTate]

If They Give Us an Inch, They Take a Mile

Since God is not an obvious presence like the original Sun God, we have to suppose His presence in some secular power. Therefore, Theism sets us up for slavish dependence on a government or a plutocratic oligarchy. That slowly makes us accept anything they throw at us.

I am beginning to see the Creator as a Scientist and Inventor and as a Reality Film Producer who regards all eight billion of us as having extremely high value.

Whether somebody is rich or poor, the Life Review of near death experience accounts hints strongly, that all eight billion of us, can all have a life story that will come to have astonishingly high value to people throughout infinite time in the future.

3. The Purpose of the Life Review​

There are many reasons for the life review and all of them are very important. The life review has been described by many to be the single most enlightening experience they have ever had. Here are some of the purposes of the life review according to experiencers profiled on this website:

a. The life review is for educating us about life and death.

b. The life review is for educating us about ourselves: why we are the way we are; what were our motives behind our actions; how did our lives impact others; how we could have done better; and what we can do to correct aspects to ourselves which are not compatible with life on the Other Side. We learn these things in order to become a better person.

c. The life review is for evaluating our soul development for the purpose of attaining soul growth.

d. The life review is for evaluating our progress in completing our mission.

e. The life review is for evaluating our lives to determine our next step toward our progression in the light.

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[Fort Fun Indiana]

That is what I was taught in Grade four here in Canada but chapter thirteen of "Stephen Hawking's Universe" expands history to INFINITE time in the past exactly as was shown to near death experiencer and former Atheist Mellen Benedict in the quotation in the opening post. I will add a little bit to that quotation.

That chapter was entitled "The Anthropic Principle."

You can go back as far as you like.

But the earth is only 4.54 billion years old.

 

[DennisPTate]

You can go back as far as you like.

But the earth is only 4.54 billion years old.

True the earth is only about four billion years old. [I believe three point six billion years as was told to near death experiencer Robert Marshall].

And yes, for the age of the universe we can go back into infinite time in the past which when combined with how Energy from Quantum Vacuum operates, this means that an "Extra-Dimensional Being of Light of near death experience fame" would have almost an infinitely high probability of developing and learning and getting better and better at forming other life forms.

"Although nature manifests four distinct forces, physicists believe that
each may be part of a smaller number of more primitive forces. At high energy, the electromagnetic and weak forces appear to merge into a single "electroweak" force. Some "grand unified theories" suggest that a further amalgamation takes place between the electroweak and strong forces at as yet unattained energies. The most ambitious unification schemes envisage an amalgamation of all four forces into a single "superforce" at ultra-high levels of energy."

...

"The real burden in the next three centuries will not be the development of fancy mathematics, but the experimental testing of these ambitious theories. All current thinking about total unification assumes that the effects of linking all the forces and particles together will only become manifest at energies that are some trillion times greater than those currently attainable in particle accelerators. Probably we shall never reach such energies directly" ( A Theory of Everything" Volume 21 of "The World of Science)

 

[DennisPTate]

That's as meaningless as dreams, which aren't mental at all

Near death experiencer Kevin Williams Ph. D. is one of the brightest minds that I know of, and he presents a powerful case that the Dr. James Winnery research is quite revolutionary in what it likely means about how we should probably learn to view NDE accounts.

Quantum entanglement is a phenomenon in quantum mechanics where two or more particles become correlated to each other in such a way that the state of one particle is dependent on the state of the other(s), even when they are on opposite ends of the universe. This “spooky” connection (Einstein’s word) is what physicists call entanglement.. This phenomenon has been experimentally verified and is a fundamental aspect of quantum theory. The following article by Jack H. Hiller entitled “Quantum Entanglement Explained” is reprinted here by permission.

ABOUT THE AUTHOR: Jack H. Hiller, Ph.D., J.D., is the author of the book, Near-Death Experience of Space, Time, and Consciousness: How the World Was Created and Functions (2019) and the author of a series of papers in the Journal of Consciousness Exploration & Research (2019). His article, Near-Death Experience of Space, Time, and Consciousness, deals with his Frozen Time Theory.

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[Fort Fun Indiana]

True the earth is only about four billion years old. [I believe three point six billion years as was told to near death experiencer Robert Marshall].

And yes, for the age of the universe we can go back into infinite time in the past which when combined with how Energy from Quantum Vacuum operates, this means that an "Extra-Dimensional Being of Light of near death experience fame" would have almost an infinitely high probability of developing and learning and getting better and better at forming other life forms.

And the theory of evolution covers life back to the first life on earth.

 

[Sparker]

Gods fading out and being forgotten raises the question of godly mortality. If they die, then they must also be born, and they evolve.

 

[ChemEngineer]

And yes, for the age of the universe we can go back into infinite time in the past which when combined with how Energy from Quantum Vacuum operates, this means that an "Extra-Dimensional Being of Light of near death experience fame" would have almost an infinitely high probability of developing and learning and getting better and better at forming other life forms.

Tell us how the universe can "go back" before it was created? There IS no "quantum vacuum" but if there were, how could there be Energy in it? There is no "infinitely high probability" either. Its values are from 0 to 1.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Tell us how the universe can "go back" before it was created?

Using the concept of imaginary time.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I am beginning to see the Creator as a Scientist and Inventor and as a Reality Film Producer who regards all eight billion of us as having extremely high value.

Whether somebody is rich or poor, the Life Review of near death experience accounts hints strongly, that all eight billion of us, can all have a life story that will come to have astonishingly high value to people throughout infinite time in the future.

Pray
Then Pay
That's the Way
To Make My Day

This near-death scam is just a money-making racket, just like the religions it feeds off.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Near death experiencer Kevin Williams Ph. D. is one of the brightest minds that I know of, and he presents a powerful case that the Dr. James Winnery research is quite revolutionary in what it likely means about how we should probably learn to view NDE accounts.

Physics Has Become as Superstitious as Religion

Entanglement is illogical if given the Quantum Quacks' explanation. The only way it makes sense if it is the same particle going through the Fourth Spatial Dimension at the square of the speed of light, which is so fast that it seems to be two different particles. All phenomena should create new discoveries if they can't be explained rationally. "It just happens" is a neurotic answer by geeks with well-known emotional problems.

 

[DennisPTate]

I have to

Physics Has Become as Superstitious as Religion

Entanglement is illogical if given the Quantum Quacks' explanation. The only way it makes sense if it is the same particle going through the Fourth Spatial Dimension at the square of the speed of light, which is so fast that it seems to be two different particles. All phenomena should create new discoveries if they can't be explained rationally. "It just happens" is a neurotic answer by geeks with well-known emotional problems.

I am forced to agree with your comment that Theoretical Physics is getting into parapsychology and full fledged Theology.

Many Theoretical Physicists are not laughing at ideas such as the following.

5. Lynnclaire Dennis and the Circle of Twelve Elders​

During Lynnclaire Dennis’ NDE, she entered into the Light of the “Universal Life Source” whom she knew to be God. In the light, she saw what she understood to be the “Pattern” of all life and was told that she was assigned to communicate to the world the message behind the Pattern. During her life review, Lynnclaire was guided by a “Circle of Twelve Elders,” a council of light beings seated in a perfect ring around her who radiated unconditional love and knowledge. The Elders reviewed her life with profound empathy and affirmed her role as a catalyst for love and connection in the physical world. After her NDE, the Pattern eventually caught the eye of quantum physicists because of its compatibility with the knotted pattern of 10-dimensional space in Superstring physics and its possible solution to the so-called Theory of Everything – the holy grail of all physics. The Pattern consists of twelve pieces of light surrounded by an unbroken line creating seven bridges within it. The mathematical name for it is a Fourier Trefoil knot. Lynnclaire worked with The Gorbachev Foundation and found doors opening to diplomatic circles in many countries. She views the metaphysical meaning behind the Pattern as a potential tool for negotiation. World-renowned University of Illinois mathematician Dr. Louis Kauffman had this to say about the unifying principle and algorithm behind the Pattern:

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[DennisPTate]

Pray
Then Pay
That's the Way
To Make My Day

This near-death scam is just a money-making racket, just like the religions it feeds off.

I disagree!

Darwinian Evolutionary Theory was known to be flawed from the very beginning.

Eventually Darwinian Evolutionary Theory was adopted by the wealthiest of the wealthy as a way of producing elected officials who would be willing to lie, cheat and steal, based on the idea that "oblivion" after death was the most probable outcome.

Many Theoretical Physicists on the other hand who had even a basic understanding of:
1. String Theory
2. The Anthropic Principle
3. The Cyclic Model for the Universe or Multiverse
4. Tehilliard's Law of Complexity Consciousness
5. Grand Unified Theory, [ A Theory of Everything].

All Theoretical physicists have known for decades that a dogmatic view of Evolutionary Theory is illogical and intellectually dishonest. There is a bias in science against an Intelligence composed of Energy from Quantum Vacuum Who may well be able to do a Life Review with all eight billion of us based on recordings of every event, every second, of our lives?

 

[DennisPTate]

Using the concept of imaginary time.

Yes, chapter thirteen of Stephen Hawking's Universe that is entitled "The Anthropic Principle" uses the idea of "Imaginary Time" or perhaps "Timelessness" to postulate an infinite number of Big Bang events, as opposed to one major Big Bang event of about fourteen billion or so years ago. Time cannot fully exist until "Space" as we understand it has been created.